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PoliGAF 2016 |OT2| we love the poorly educated
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Iowa broke for Bush in 2004 so I wouldn't say they're THAT reliable. Even NH has gone blue the last three elections.
Macho Madness
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Depends on how many believe him and how many can deal with his rhetoric. The union bosses will side with Clinton most likely but it may be a tough sell.
Macho Madness
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What I like to call the JBE effect. Probably more conservative Democrats than you'd expect.
OrangeGrayBlue
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People in WV (my home state) have a similar attitude re: coal.
Ask yourself if it makes America great again. If yes they want it.
Bonus points if it's demeaning to another person or group of people.
QuiteWhittle
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Don't know if that will be the case in 2016. Trump has been blowing Clinton and Sanders out in the (early) Georgia GE polling while starkly underperforming other Republicans in (early) Arizona polling. He'll probably win both in the end regardless.
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I want to make American grapes again.
SO we can have more wine.
Basically, I just want to get shit faced again.
USA! USA! USA!
Macho Madness
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She's down 9 to Trump in Georgia. Obama lost it by 8 in 2012. That's really not bad.
Chezzymann
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While we are all asking about why certain states typically vote certain ways, I have been wondering why Arkansas is always red on every map I see with Hillary involved. I know Bill was governor quite a bit ago, but is there any chance that has an effect on the race there? It even seems to be red in people's fantasy landslide maps.
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Rubio on MSNBC. He's basically pushing for a brokered convention.
Hahahaahahaha.
"Donald Trump will never be the nominee of the party of Reagan and Lincoln."
Hahahaahahaha.
"Donald Trump will never be the nominee of the party of Reagan and Lincoln."
That's what I'm most worried about. Since the Dems more or less abandoned labor outside of some occasional bone-throwing, an anti-free-trade nationalist like Trump can be very appealing to white union members. It's not like unions are necessarily a hotbed of radicalism these days, so there's no particular reason that union members would feel loyalty to social progressivism and therefore feel obligated to vote Democratic. Especially if Trump plays up that Bill is responsible for NAFTA and ties Hillary to it.
It's really kind of weird that we're just taking for granted that these voters are going to stay blue.
Well, it is his only shot.
Box of Kittens
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Wow. They're really going to destroy their chances because they can't agree on a strategy or even just stop bickering with each other.
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He also repeated Reagan three times in 30 seconds.
Just saying.
And "Here's the bottom line" five times so far.
Just saying.
And "Here's the bottom line" five times so far.
Macho Madness
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Well, if he's exposed as a conman fraud, that could change things. I'm not counting on them staying blue though. This is probably going to be a fight.
I don't think they like Bill that much to change how they've voted since he's been gone. It's also not much in the electoral college so she probably won't even contest it. It's just not worth it.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Man, that's the first time in a while I've heard Raygun and Lincoln mentioned in the same sentence and it makes me want to vomit.
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The shit that is spewing from Rubios mouth must make his asshole jealous.
Seriously I support delusion, but come the hell on brah. Take the L.
Rubio has insulted voters this entire time. He literally called them stupid. And that he hoped they would have woken up.
Hahahaha.
Ugh. It's too early for a pre-lunch cocktail, right?
Seriously I support delusion, but come the hell on brah. Take the L.
Rubio has insulted voters this entire time. He literally called them stupid. And that he hoped they would have woken up.
Hahahaha.
Ugh. It's too early for a pre-lunch cocktail, right?
Macho Madness
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The party of Lincoln yet also the party of the Southern Strategy. Hmmm.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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From dad Le Pen (translated):
White nationalists for Trump (tm)
https://twitter.com/lepenjm/status/703625793814003712
White nationalists for Trump (tm)
https://twitter.com/lepenjm/status/703625793814003712
A Human Becoming
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He will not win a single state on Tuesday, will he?
GuyKazama
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He isn't going to win a state, ever.
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Maybe Minnesota, but that's it.
Macho Madness
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FDR re-aligned the Democratic party to be more like it is today. Entitlement programs, more progressive social issues. Economically liberal.
What really changed was LBJ fighting for and signing the Civil Rights Act, and Nixon's Southern Strategy. This pushed the Democrats to fight for more progressive social issues, while Republicans took the idea of saying that segregation is okay, and that we should be more conservative on social issues.
It's more like the party of Nixon than it is of Lincoln.
Third Strike
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Not exactly. Southern Democrats remained conservative for at least another one hundred years.
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Rubio totally argued that he will be the nominee even if he never wins a single state, because of delegates.
Someone needs to teach him how to proportional. I don't think he knows how to proportional.
Someone needs to teach him how to proportional. I don't think he knows how to proportional.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Nixon was way too pro-labor and pragmatic for the GOP to be the party of Nixon (it's the party of Gingrich?), but yes, it's closer to Nixon than Lincoln.
And yet FDR has more in common with Eisenhower and he was less than a decade after FDR's death.
What the hell were the GOPs stances in the 40s then? Because it seems, on the surface, that before the CRA was passed there was a LOT of overlap between the two parties.
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OMG, have ya'll seen Trump's Twitter Super Tuesday banner?
Such luxury. Such Grand Theft Auto. Such Wow.
Such luxury. Such Grand Theft Auto. Such Wow.
Thanks for helping with the gaps in my politicall knowledge.
From my understanding, it used to be more fluid. Drawing similarities to Trump, where candidates could have slightly different beliefs and value systems.
During Reagan/Clinton years did the parties become increasingly polarizing, and I'd argue that media magnates such as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh further drove that wedge between the parties.
From my understanding, it used to be more fluid. Drawing similarities to Trump, where candidates could have slightly different beliefs and value systems.
During Reagan/Clinton years did the parties become increasingly polarizing, and I'd argue that media magnates such as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh further drove that wedge between the parties.
GOP was pretty much the anti-New Deal party in the 1940s. The war meant that their foreign policy aligned with Democrats in most ways, stronger on the anti-Communism, but they were also focused on turning back labor rights, ex. Taft-Hartley. This was also the period in which conservative thinkers, specifically in fields like economics, started to organize with business leaders (read Kim Phillips-Fein's Invisible Hands for some good background), but their effects would not be felt for a while.
Hey Marco, when was the last time the Republicans would have nominated a candidate with the values of Reagan or Lincoln?
Aaron Strife
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Eisenhower's campaign mojo was basically "take the good that the Democrats have done, be more efficient about it"
Eisenhower was so popular that both parties asked him to run as their candidate. He could have easily been a Democrat if he wanted to.
Had an argument with a co-worker when Trump first started running.
All the shit Trump was spewing he agreed with and I told him that the ones that believe Trump is the second coming will also turn on him and call him a Clinton plant. And he would have Fox news lumped into the "lame-stream media category".
So funny to listen to Chris Plant, Mark Levin & Rush become part of the machine trying to take down Trump after building him up.
All the shit Trump was spewing he agreed with and I told him that the ones that believe Trump is the second coming will also turn on him and call him a Clinton plant. And he would have Fox news lumped into the "lame-stream media category".
So funny to listen to Chris Plant, Mark Levin & Rush become part of the machine trying to take down Trump after building him up.
This, plus a lot of it was carryover from the contested primary. Obama invested HARD in Indiana early.
Box of Kittens
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At that time both party platforms were generally pro-civil rights, but they tended to be a bit vague about it and each had significant dissident factions (Spoiler Alert:
based largely in the South
Aaron Strife
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There was no Senate election in Indiana in 08. Dems lost Evan Bayh's seat in 2010.
They did however lose the governor's seat, but Mitch Daniels was so popular there was no way he would lose anyway.
That also speaks to how big a presence FDR was in the US, even after he died he continued to influence the direction of the country.
Box of Kittens
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I can't help but think of the Hill Valley courthouse turning into "Biff Tannen's Pleasure Paradise" in Back to the Future Part II.
A Human Becoming
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I can't find it, but I read an article some time in the last year that real delved into the Republican Party before the Southern Strategy made it what it is now. From my recollection the party was basically split between liberals in the north and the more conservative branch like Barry Goldwater. Like others have said the Civil Rights act unified the party and established a platform they all follow.
I think the party has started to unhinge around the coalition made around the Civil Rights Act. My own personal experience with that is a woman in her twenties I met threw Occupy that is a gay libertarian Democrat. Social issues is that's really hurting them with younger people and it's not simply just younger people automatically skewing Democrat. I think it's a bit overstated:
I think the party has started to unhinge around the coalition made around the Civil Rights Act. My own personal experience with that is a woman in her twenties I met threw Occupy that is a gay libertarian Democrat. Social issues is that's really hurting them with younger people and it's not simply just younger people automatically skewing Democrat. I think it's a bit overstated:
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