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PoliGAF 2016 |OT4| Tyler New Chief Exit Pollster at CNN
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Also, Sherrod Brown and Elizabeth Warren are never going to be the senator from Louisiana.
You make good points. I'm not saying that Sanders is any better for BLM, or all African-Americans (I don't know that he is). I am saying that the standard for something to be racist against black people is much higher than the standard for something to be antisemitic, and that the Clintons have crossed lines that wouldn't be widely acceptable if they were against Jews. If Hillary had done a scripted joke with De Blasio about how Jewish people are thrifty, would it have been waved off? I suspect not. Trump made some off-color comments to the Republican Jewish Coalition last year, and it was major headlines, even though the comments were mostly on positive stereotypes rather than negative remarks on punctuality.
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Ya, but someone like JBE is just as bad as a Republican or something.
balladofwindfishes
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Oh yea, I suppose it actually does.
But I'm sure Bernie doesn't actually mean that sort of revolution. At least I hope not.
eBay Huckster
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or at least if he does, he needs to be ballsy enough to go out and say it instead of hiding behind the political process
I know you mean this as snark, but it's actually quite accurate. The main problems are:
1) As good and surprisingly effective as Sanders has been as a message candidate, he's been quite terrible as a candidate actually trying to win the nomination. Whenever his campaign talks about delegate math and paths to victory, it sounds out of character at best and completely out of touch at worst.
2) The Sanders campaign began attacking Hillary in earnest after it had already become clear to anyone with a calculator that victory was pretty much impossible. It's somewhat remniscent of the murder-suicide that Christie performed on Rubio: sure, we all cheered Christie on because it was the GOP and we want Trump to get the nom... but I can't blame Rubio supporters for their anger. It's obviously annoying when it happens on 'our' side.
The whole thing reeks of desperation, of a campaign startled by its success and morphing into something less principled... and certainly less disciplined.
That's pretty much what ENDED the Revolution in France(and I mean the very 1rst one).
Ideological purity tests and everyone who failed got a head shorter.
It was infuriatingly stupid then, it still is.
I'll give credit to Trump in that it really didn't affect him at all.
Heck people kinda cheered him here (he even endeared himself to me a little as to how he didn't give a shit about the Jewish Coalition which I can't say I disagree).
It's true that if you shit on AA in the US you'll get that much less shit thrown at you and the Jewish community seems a bit protected.
We have the same issue where I come from and it's as BS there as it is here.
In a general sense I kinda agree with you although I hope it's not really true in the US.
Ugh, I've managed to avoid Facebook scuffles this entire primary until today. Now I'm arguing with an Episcopal minister because I wrote a post on my Facebook saying Hillary voters have a right to vote for Hillary, didn't even mention Bernie. He responded with calling her "Evil Incarnate" and went down basically every Bernie attack line from the last few months.
Hurry up, New York..
Hurry up, New York..
I believe that's called a coup
eBay Huckster
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at least that still doesn't sound as bad as the guy on my own who decided it made perfect logical sense that people disenfranchised by voter ID laws are bernie voters
gutter_trash
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''Marco, si quiere dícelo ah-ah-ahorrrra mismo dícelo ahora si quieres. En español, si quieres.''
Box of Kittens
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Not that I post much on Facebook at all, but I really try to avoid posting anything that's overtly political. Honestly it has more to do with not getting into pointless arguments with conservative relatives than anything else, but I think it's serving me well this primary season, even if it means biting my proverbial tongue when I see someone sharing an H.A. Goodman article on my feed.
I posted a status update about voting on primary day and complained about people not voting for Supreme Court in Wisconsin (didn't mention Sanders explicitly although I did use the term "political revolution"), but other than that I've stayed silent.
I posted a status update about voting on primary day and complained about people not voting for Supreme Court in Wisconsin (didn't mention Sanders explicitly although I did use the term "political revolution"), but other than that I've stayed silent.
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My cousin, the one who attacked me for supporting Queen, has been texting my mom because I refuse to engage with her over Bernie. My momma don't play that. But that's the worst I've had to deal with. Well...except my Berniebro wanting to watch TYT.
Eh, I'm fully on the "Trump is an incompetent joke" train, but I think his campaign can probably find 350 eligible delegates given a month. And Erik Erickson probably isn't the most objective source regarding weighing the importance of this topic.
We shall see.
What I really want to do on facebook- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAusMcu513U
eBay Huckster
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i should point out that literally every other bernie supporter on my list either doesn't engage with me (generally the wacky-old-socialist types) or agrees with most of what i'm saying and doesn't grasp at every possible straw to deny that he could possibly be fairly losing (literally everyone else)
Mercury Fred
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I've had a few.
I rarely post politics on my FB. The first one was something critical of Hillary when she made her Reagan/ AIDS fuckup. Allll of the Bernie people I know piled on.
I posted a couple more Hillary articles from the WaPo or NY Times and had Bernie people try to shout me down because those sources are Clinton propaganda machines (only USUNCUT will do, apparently).
So I decided that it was open season on every Bernie person who commented on my page and went about fact checking their posts and throwing cold water on every post. You'd think I was stabbing their mother to death while masturbating with a new born in my lap. The level of defensiveness, thin-skinnedness and over all lack of the ability to see multiple sides of an issue is just mind boggling. And this was from people who I otherwise knew and understood to be level headed folks.
When I refused to stop posting and let them know if they wanted an echo chamber to either de-friend me or to stop commenting on politics on my page, they all pretty much shut up.
I wonder if personalized results can get so good that your personal news bubble could persist even after it technically should be popped? Like if your candidate loses but all news about their opponents' inauguration and governance ends up bumped off the first page by fanfiction.
That's a form of trickle down economic.
It's surprising that someone whose platform is pretty much all about the economy could ascribe to something so...sorry don't have the word right now.
shinra-bansho
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There's some voodoo there.
But it's mostly not analogous to trickle down.
Ultimately taxes are borne by people and it affects behaviour. There are tradeoffs to policies. This is the realism that's missing. If you implement a broad financial transaction tax for instance. If you raise marginal tax rates, there are revenue maximising values. If you implement higher payroll taxes.
But it's mostly not analogous to trickle down.
Ultimately taxes are borne by people and it affects behaviour. There are tradeoffs to policies. This is the realism that's missing. If you implement a broad financial transaction tax for instance. If you raise marginal tax rates, there are revenue maximising values. If you implement higher payroll taxes.
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Bernie. Stahp. Just go visit the Pope or whatever. Please stop.
That's a fallacy. He is saying that:
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Misrepresent reality because all the states he lost where at the beginning. But changing the order:
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Doesn't change the final result. He will still lose the south by the stupidly high margins and he will still be losing to Hillary by more or less the same delegate margin.
It's getting nuts.
Someone talk my off a ledge, because I'm actually growing concerned.
I know that primaries get heated and mud gets thrown, but I don't remember attacks of this nature being thrown in 08. I was a 22 year old Hillary Stan new to the process then, so maybe I just didn't notice, but the attacks from Hillary's side seemed to be focused on Obama being untested and inexperienced, while Obama honed in on Hillary's Iraq War vote and general judgement.
But this year? Sanders constantly inferring that Hillary is inherently corrupt. His campaign's complacency with his voters claiming that Hillary is guilty of voter fraud (the campaign only speaks out when it happens in states he loses). Jeff Weaver going on TV and saying that Hillary has made a deal with the devil...
Corrupt. Fraud. Deal with the devil. These are some high moral charges. And when you connect to a person's core values to convince them to believe a certain thing, it's hard to convince them otherwise down the road.
I don't know how Bernie walks this back. Even Chris Matthews last night described it as frightening, and I agree.
I don't remember it as much either, but people here have brought up a lot of shit Clinton's side did. On the other hand, I don't think Bernie has any compunction about going worse, because he has nothing to lose and his supporters certainly don't care about any cobra effect. The diehards are only in it for him.
Fenderputty
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Yeah I'm not getting the comparison at all.
We just had a poll earlier where Hillary had sizable leads over both Trump and Cruz in Georgia.
Yeah, GE polls too far out and all, but GEORGIA.
GEORGIA.
It's gonna be ok.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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It's just that Trickle Down argued that hugely expensive government policies (tax cuts in the Republican case) would pay for themselves via magic and that's what Bernie's arguing too.
I'd say letting Iowa and New Hampshire go first distort reality way more.
Well he did good in those states so... no. They didn't distort the reality that he's trying to feed the millenials that give him money on faceplace and tweeter.
It's at the hottest point emotionally of the primary....it's not that I'm underestimating some potential sexism - it's that a) racism has repeatedly shown to be a significantly higher correlative value when it comes to votes over gender and b) this shit happens during every heated primary.
Rule #1 of politics: Your situation is not unique or special. Statistics, polling, and every ounce of empirical data show that I'd rather take independent Millenials voting against Cruz / Trump over old white dog-whistled Democrats (Thanks Clinton!) voting for Obama at the time.
Millennials I believe had a higher unfavorable for Trump and Cruz than Latinos. He will get to keep writing his inane bullshit if you all keep linking it and reading it.
Yep. There's a liberal vein of Tea Party-ish tendencies from both Clinton and Sanders supporters that make me think they are not considering the second order consequences of said actions.
Until you need to confirm judges or give committee chairman positions to fellow party members.
Ditto - growing up in a conservative area and then moving to a super liberal area...I just keep politics out of my FB feed. There's a lot more to my identity than just my political views, and those other parts of me are the parts that I wish to share.
Ha!
"Bernie has won 55.8% of delegates in non-southern states so far. To win the majority of delegates he needs to win 56.4% of the remaining delegates. Don't let others discourage you. We are less than 1% away from being on right on track to win."
http://imgur.com/gallery/ruTOs
I'll be curious to see their "polls" that lead to Bernie winning pledged delegates by 1 after he loses by 10% or more in New York.
Honestly my favorite part of this is that Hillary wins Guam.
Macho Madness
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eBay Huckster
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yeah, in my case I hail from Cleveland, live in Columbus, and currently attend OSU
the first and third of these things are very bad for keeping politics out of my feed of other people's posts, let alone my own
my second favorite part is that it's a 60-40 win after Sanders' surrogate directly insulted the territory
Macho Madness
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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Man, I wonder why he used "whore." Mystery that will never be solved.
"On her worst day, Hillary Clinton is a hundred times better than any of the Republicans." - Bernie Sanders.
I still think he'll back off the Clinton attacks at the end of the month, after the 26th the delegate math goes from almost impossible to impossible.
Uh............... Does he want to lose almost all seats in the House and Senate to the GOP? These people...
excelsiorlef
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Lol.... not on the slightest. It'd just hand the GOP the White House
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