Orbis Tabula
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Thank you. I'm not sure why, all of the sudden, people are so concerned with what Greenpeace thinks. Fuck them.
But I'm a hypocrite. Because I spent last week concerned about the National Enquirer, soooo...
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT4| Tyler New Chief Exit Pollster at CNN
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Thank you. I'm not sure why, all of the sudden, people are so concerned with what Greenpeace thinks. Fuck them.
But I'm a hypocrite. Because I spent last week concerned about the National Enquirer, soooo...
superdeluxe
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I'm still pissed about that sh*t, even their apology was lame.
lol. Election season makes madmen of us all.
OrangeGrayBlue
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This contrast was a lot more apparent in 2008 than it is now. Hillary was considered to be too conservative by many Obama voters back then.
RustyNails
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Aaron Strife
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Wasn't Hillary more liberal than Obama even back then?
I know healthcare was a major point between the two.
Yup. Her senate voting record was more liberal than his was.
I'm gonna miss them
My POTUS.
I'd vote for him a third time if I could. Such an amazing person and a wonderful family.
On most of the issues she was to the left of Obama, particularly in health care.
MO Sen
Blunt 44
Kander 37
Undecided 19
http://moscout.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/MOScout-Weekly-Poll-March-28.pdf
Blunt 44
Kander 37
Undecided 19
http://moscout.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/MOScout-Weekly-Poll-March-28.pdf
ive got that same shirt. neiman marcus. good choice, potus.
Holy shit.
That's way closer then I'd expect. Come on Trump, PLEASE stop fucking this up and take the nomination.
why do they have to leave.
j_k_redtail
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They have to be counting on the DoJ to knock her out of the race. It's the only thing that makes sense.
FDR fucked up the game for everyone else.
VendettaRed07
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I look forward to the post presidency Obamas honestly. They're still really young, they're going to have a lot to do, will be active. We'll see them do silly stuff like this more often. He'll be the best ex president ever IMOI'm gonna miss them
It should not be that close for a 2 term senator with no major scandals in a red state.
That poll also has Kander losing St. Louis by a substantial margin, which goes against in-state voting trends. He could make a big push with a little advertising to raise his profile.
If Trump/Cruz put Missouri in play for Clinton and she does any three way campaign stops with Kander and McCaskill they could win the state and both Senate seats.
The big differences were:
- Obama was against the individual health care mandate, Hillary was for it
- Obama was for more of a reset on foreign policy (close Gitmo, talk with Iran/Cuba, be more neutral with Israel) and obviously bashed Hillary for her Iraq vote. Hillary was more hawkish and didn't advocate for those things specifically, although in general there wasn't a huge difference there.
- Obama supported raising the cap on Social Security taxes, Clinton didn't.
- Obama was for a reset/fresh start and thought he could work with Republicans well and change the political discourse to be more sane; Hillary was less naive and more partisan.
Blunt is in his first term, but he represented southwest Missouri in the House from '97 to when he was elected to the Senate in 2010.
I think their definition of St. Louis includes the suburbs as well, which carry a lot more weight than the city itself in statewide elections.
It's his home state, right? Right guys? Why doesn't anyone understand this!?!
Box of Kittens
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My recollection was that supporters of both candidates during that primary considered their preferred candidate to be the more liberal of the two. So regardless of how one chooses to measure how liberal one's voting record is, I do think it's accurate to say that Hillary was considered too conservative by many Obama voters back then.
Personally, the abstract question of which candidate was more liberal did not concern me that much, as the two were broadly similar on policy. My decision to vote for Obama came down to a number of other factors. Like many I was captivated by his speech at the 2004 convention. He was the first person I could ever remember thinking "this man is the future of the Democratic Party" about. I felt like he could sell liberal ideas to the public and explain nuance in a way that didn't come across as lecturing or mealy-mouthed, and I liked how well he could turn attacks back against his opponents instead of coming across as defensive. My biggest sticking point with Clinton was the Iraq War vote, on two grounds. One was that I was opposed to the war and thought it was a mistake to have voted for it. The second was that anger with Bush over the Iraq War had played a big part in Democrats winning back Congress in 2006 and it seemed foolish not to take advantage of the war's unpopularity again in 2008. I also thought Obama was running a much smarter campaign and would thus be a more effective general election candidate (I certainly wanted Mark Penn nowhere near the general election campaign). But I definitely remember both Clinton and Obama partisans (and Edwards partisans for that matter) painting their candidate as the true progressive and the other as conservative.
It's possible that as long as he has a chance, he wants to fight. If his advisors are telling him the data says he still has a chance, then ending the campaign would be giving up without trying.
I think it's all right to let Bernie be and keep campaigning, as long as he moderates his negativity.
excelsiorlef
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Lol so basically she's losing because she won't win NY by as much as Sanders won Vermont.
QuiteWhittle
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There was another MO poll yesterday, I think, that had Blunt up 15 and Clinton up 2 against Trump. I think it's going to be close so long as Trump is the nominee.
Good GE numbers but those Senate numbers suck. I would rather win the Senate seat and lose the state in the general than the other way around.
Macho Madness
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Yep. Which is an intellectually dishonest claim to make when you consider how much effect demographics has on the Democratic electorate.
Oops. I thought he had two terms for some reason. Wasn't he governor?
You're saying New York isn't 97% white?
Losers don't get to dictate what is a win
He is the father of the previous governor of Missouri, who had one term.
excelsiorlef
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Which is odd because Clinton is in many ways to the left of Obama
excelsiorlef
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Yep and the literal size difference between the two states.
Box of Kittens
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I think it's quite possible he knows what his chances actually look like at this point and is only trying to maximize his potential influence at the convention. If that's the case, then he may believe that maintaining the illusion that he's still trying to win the nomination is still in his interest.
Jack Remington
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Game of Thrones promised me dragons and zombies, but all I get are a bunch of floppy wieners.
He is the father of the previous governor of Missouri, who had one term.
I'm thinking of Kit Bond!
Abinash117
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Which lead some of those guys getting defeated and lead to the civil war in the party anyway.
Aaron Strife
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I'm really glad that for all the noise on the left about Hillary not being truly liberal, very little of it is coming from actual politicians compared to how much the GOP haaaates Trump.
Orbis Tabula
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So, can someone explain what the benefits of a bicameral legislature are? Like, I understand it when it comes to the federal government. One body more or less represents the people, while the other represents that states. But what does a state gain by having a bicameral legislature?
what the fuck is this shit facebanking jesus fucking christ bernie fans fuck off
(yeah sure but can't i just give him like $10)
Hehhehe
OrangeGrayBlue
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I think her hawkishness stood out to a lot of voters. I mean, Obama wasn't winning the young vote because he was perceived to be the more moderate of the two, regardless of how their positions actually aligned.
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