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[Ophelion]

?????????????????? #??????

Rosario has completely lost her mind? Is that what I'm hearing?

 

[jtb]

I think her hawkishness stood out to a lot of voters. I mean, Obama wasn't winning the young vote because he was perceived to be the more moderate of the two, regardless of how their positions actually aligned.

I don't totally agree -- he positioned himself as a centrist unifier and I think that's something that resonated very strongly with young voters. it may not have been a conscious choice based on policies, but there is something inherently moderate about that.

 

[RustyNails]

Rosario has completely lost her mind? Is that what I'm hearing?

I'm watching Daredevil S1 and she's easily the worst part of it.

 

[Plinko]

Seeing that PPP poll makes me feel much better about things. Ted Cruz is extremely unlikeable, second only to Trump. I was afraid he was more liked than Hillary... It's good to know most of America views him the same way I do.

Which poll?

 

[jtb]

I'm watching Daredevil S1 and she's easily the worst part of it.

in a show where foggy and karen exist.... this is utter blasphemy

also top five is a modern classic

 

[B-Dubs]

So, can someone explain what the benefits of a bicameral legislature are? Like, I understand it when it comes to the federal government. One body more or less represents the people, while the other represents that states. But what does a state gain by having a bicameral legislature?

It has to do with the urban/rural divide. Cities would rule the states and basically do whatever they want if it wasn't bicameral.

 

[studyguy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDumsN1NCGg

Lmao these anti Cruz ads are too much. Lyin Ted

 

[Drek]

So, can someone explain what the benefits of a bicameral legislature are? Like, I understand it when it comes to the federal government. One body more or less represents the people, while the other represents that states. But what does a state gain by having a bicameral legislature?

The benefits/negatives really depend on a state by state situation. I would argue it is primarily a legacy stemming from the original framers of the union supporting it at the national level and their template being co-opted for better or worse at the state levels.

In theory it would allow two different perspectives of representing a constituency. Any large state with a single powerful, peak population region would gain nearly unilateral control over the state government. This is true in New York, a state dominated by NYC, where the state senate, based off of districts, is 99-49 D to R, but their state legislature is 26-4-32 D-I-R. This is a product of slanting the political power structure to disproportionately favor rural and suburban voters over urban voters in fear of a strong urban voter block. NY would likely a borderline stated if you carved NYC off, but as NYC represents about half of the total population in the state.

Much of our legislative structure was design to devalue the vote of various people. The U.S. Senate for example explicitly exists to be a check on populist sentiment overtaking the Congress. The original method was straight up cronyism that has since been replaced with another structure that over-empowers voters in smaller population states while those same voters are more accurately represented in the House.

At the heart of the matter is whether or not you think there is ever any benefit in weakening one voting block in favor of another. I'm personally not a big fan but urbanization has been a real concern in politics far longer than the current plight of the GOP and bicameral government is one hell of a firewall against urbanization resulting in an unchecked block of politicians taking over the entirety of the political process.

 

[Ophelion]

I'm watching Daredevil S1 and she's easily the worst part of it.

That's saying a lot considering how most people feel about Foggy on that show.

As an only semi-related note, I made an argument in OT on the subject of superhero presidential candidates that I would rather have a President Murdock than a President Wayne. It's a slow politics day so far. Thoughts?

 

[bodyofanamerican]

Man, I am THRILLED.

Andrew Sullivan is joining NY Magazine as a long form journalist/essayist.

Writing something on Trump right now, going to be blogging the Dem and GOP conventions too. This is awesome!!

 

[Box of Kittens]

So, can someone explain what the benefits of a bicameral legislature are? Like, I understand it when it comes to the federal government. One body more or less represents the people, while the other represents that states. But what does a state gain by having a bicameral legislature?

Honestly, I have no clue. Especially since state legislative districts must be roughly equal in population, having two chambers seems entirely redundant.

 

[Jack Remington]

I've said it before, but when Obama refused to block the bank bonuses in his first couple months, he really lost his chance to be the people's president. That was one of the moments when you could feel the air start to leak out of the balloon.

That's saying a lot considering how most people feel about Foggy on that show.

Foggy is amazing.

Also, the best thing on tv right now is 11.22.63. Shame it's almost over.

 

[Macho Madness]

I don't totally agree -- he positioned himself as a centrist unifier and I think that's something that resonated very strongly with young voters. it may not have been a conscious choice based on policies, but there is something inherently moderate about that.

I wasn't paying attention much to the primary back then because I was going to vote for either but the narrative I remember was that Obama was much more liberal.

 

[BSsBrolly]

Which poll?

https://twitter.com/chattaboogie/status/715861211573796868

 

[ivysaur12]

https://twitter.com/chattaboogie/status/715861211573796868

Sanders is underwater right now and he hasn't even been attacked from the right! What a MESS

 

[Holmes]

BYE Rosario, Gina Rodriguez is my mom now.

 

[RustyNails]

That's saying a lot considering how most people feel about Foggy on that show.

As an only semi-related note, I made an argument in OT on the subject of superhero presidential candidates that I would rather have a President Murdock than a President Wayne. It's a slow politics day so far. Thoughts?

Yea Foggy is awful too. Dude just delivers line like he's reading prompts. No presence. Sad!

President Wayne is easily the the most sensible choice. Understanding your limits, knowing how the world works and spending money to better fight crime and poverty? Absolutely.

 

[Ophelion]

Foggy is amazing.

I don't disagree. Lots of people hate him though for some reason. I've always thought he's been deeply entertaining when he's not all like, "Matt, I know you're saving the city from a literal ninja apocalypse, but that doesn't matter! You made me look a little disorganized in court!"

I mean...perspective, Foggy. Perspective.

 

[BSsBrolly]

Sanders is underwater right now and he hasn't even been attacked from the right! What a MESS

Yeah, I'm just relieved that people actually see Cruz for what he is. Plus, I think Cruz would become even more unfavorable if he secured the nomination. Once the spotlight is on him and him alone. No trump to suck up all the hate.

 

[Macho Madness]

Much like the other Bernie surrogates, Rosario apparently can't avoid sticking her foot in her mouth.

 

[teiresias]

Yep. Which is an intellectually dishonest claim to make when you consider how much effect demographics has on the Democratic electorate.

The thing that REALLY bothers me about this approach is that it's so obviously not true to anyone with any knowledge of the primary process, that they can't honestly believe such an argument will mean anything to super delegates.

The argument literally has no audience than Bernie supporters and no purpose other than to rile up resentments upon his supporters towards Hillary and the party apparatus itselff - which obviously makes using the argument even more toxic to super delegates.

This does not strike me as the arguments to be made by someone interested in helping this party moving forward or even interested in whether they win against a far-right or fascist opponent during the GE, because it's entire purpose is to build resentment amongst his supporter to such a degree that they stay home during the GE or, heaven forbid, vote GOP out of spite.

 

[LyleLanley]

Well Cruz is done.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

It has to do with the urban/rural divide. Cities would rule the states and basically do whatever they want if it wasn't bicameral.

The benefits/negatives really depend on a state by state situation. I would argue it is primarily a legacy stemming from the original framers of the union supporting it at the national level and their template being co-opted for better or worse at the state levels.

In theory it would allow two different perspectives of representing a constituency. Any large state with a single powerful, peak population region would gain nearly unilateral control over the state government. This is true in New York, a state dominated by NYC, where the state senate, based off of districts, is 99-49 D to R, but their state legislature is 26-4-32 D-I-R. This is a product of slanting the political power structure to disproportionately favor rural and suburban voters over urban voters in fear of a strong urban voter block. NY would likely a borderline stated if you carved NYC off, but as NYC represents about half of the total population in the state.

Much of our legislative structure was design to devalue the vote of various people. The U.S. Senate for example explicitly exists to be a check on populist sentiment overtaking the Congress. The original method was straight up cronyism that has since been replaced with another structure that over-empowers voters in smaller population states while those same voters are more accurately represented in the House.

At the heart of the matter is whether or not you think there is ever any benefit in weakening one voting block in favor of another. I'm personally not a big fan but urbanization has been a real concern in politics far longer than the current plight of the GOP and bicameral government is one hell of a firewall against urbanization resulting in an unchecked block of politicians taking over the entirety of the political process.

Honestly, I have no clue. Especially since state legislative districts must be roughly equal in population, having two chambers seems entirely redundant.

Thanks for the answers. I guess it just seems stupid to me, because I think urban areas should have more say. They have more people! But I guess I can't say that I don't understand the argument against it. I just don't agree with it.

Given Reynolds v. Sims, the whole thing seems even stupider than I previously believed.

 

[Holmes]

Much like the other Bernie surrogates, Rosario apparently can't avoid sticking her foot in her mouth.

Sarah Silverman's pretty cool but I wouldn't call her a surrogate, more that she made a youtube video and that was it.

 

[ivysaur12]

BYE Rosario, Gina Rodriguez is my mom now.

My moms are the CW's Mondays.

 

[Macho Madness]

Sarah Silverman's pretty cool but I wouldn't call her a surrogate, more that she made a youtube video and that was it.

I was talking about Cornell West, Killer Mike, Susan Surandon, etc.

Speaking of Killer Mike... where'd he go?

 

[excelsiorlef]

?????????????????? #??????

God Dawson revealing herself to be an idiot time and time again

 

[Holmes]

My moms are the CW's Mondays.

My moms are Gina Rodriguez, Hillary Clinton, Donna Brazile and Nikki Grahame. Oh and Kamala Harris obviously.

 

[Ophelion]

President Wayne is easily the the most sensible choice. Understanding your limits, knowing how the world works and spending money to better fight crime and poverty? Absolutely.

Interesting! I see your point though.

In fairness, my first picks are still President Rogers or President Kent, but I suppose when you put it like that President Wayne wouldn't be so bad.

 

[pigeon]

That's saying a lot considering how most people feel about Foggy on that show.

As an only semi-related note, I made an argument in OT on the subject of superhero presidential candidates that I would rather have a President Murdock than a President Wayne. It's a slow politics day so far. Thoughts?

President Allen is the only correct choice. Biggest problem the president faces is not enough time in the day. Except he's a little young but maybe we can make an argument on the basis of time travel or something.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Interesting! I see your point though.

In fairness, my first picks are still President Rogers or President Kent, but I suppose when you put it like that President Wayne wouldn't be so bad.

Imma need to see that birth certificate.

 

[B-Dubs]

President Allen is the only correct choice. Biggest problem the president faces is not enough time in the day. Except he's a little young but maybe we can make an argument on the basis of time travel or something.

President Wayne doesn't need to sleep. Plus VP Grayson is more than capable of filling his shoes.

 

[Basileus777]

From here.
Oh dear. The whole document is full of amazing material like this.

 

[ivysaur12]

 

[pigeon]

President Wayne doesn't need to sleep. Plus VP Grayson is more than capable of filling his shoes.

They live in the same state! Shenanigans!

I also much prefer the Flash on the campaign trail. Don't underestimate the time and energy cost of travel while campaigning.

Also, Wayne is just another elite billionaire. Barry Allen served the people as a CSI. He knows what working people go through!

 

[noshten]

Much like the other Bernie surrogates, Rosario apparently can't avoid sticking her foot in her mouth.

Rosario <3

Spike also shooting an ad for Bernie

 

[Basileus777]

By our calculations, he would have to increase the white working class male vote share from 17 to 37 percent to reach parity in the popular vote with Clinton. That would require a 100 percent turnout of those voters.

Trump just needs 100% turnout from the white working class male vote and he's narrowly got this!

 

[Captain Pants]

J'onn J'onzz would be ineligible, but having a telepath in the White House could be pretty handy for diplomacy and negotiating with congress.

edit: I guess he could just sub in for whoever is President in critical moments to read minds.

 

[B-Dubs]

They live in the same state! Shenanigans!

I also much prefer the Flash on the campaign trail. Don't underestimate the time and energy cost of travel while campaigning.

Also, Wayne is just another elite billionaire. Barry Allen served the people as a CSI. He knows what working people go through!

Wayne is a humanitarian and has personally experienced the worst that life has to offer. He knows exactly how bad it can get out there.

 

[Ophelion]

President Allen is the only correct choice. Biggest problem the president faces is not enough time in the day. Except he's a little young but maybe we can make an argument on the basis of time travel or something.

I would vote for President Allen in a second. Think of the science grants! #MakeAmericaFastAgain

Imma need to see that birth certificate.

Not this shit again...lol. I kind of feel like maybe you get a pass if your birthplace is entirely exploded.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Someone should do the math but I think he'd need to basically make Hillary non-viable in California at that point.

yep, assuming the rest of the states play out the way demographics and polling would indicate (basically meaning Clinton only wins territories between April 26 and June 7), he'd literally need to beat her 86-14 in CA

 

[Maledict]

It's not going to be Trump as the nominee. I think we need to get used to that.

 

[Ophelion]

Wayne is a humanitarian and has personally experienced the worst that life has to offer. He knows exactly how bad it can get out there.

Counterpoint: Wayne has a son with a woman who runs one of the world's largest terrorist organizations. "Can you trust Bruce Wayne, the Father of Terror?" Damien Wayne is an optics nightmare. Unless we're running the Nolan Batman. In which case, the Talia al Ghul sex scandal is still waiting in the wings.

 

[Basileus777]

It's not going to be Trump as the nominee. I think we need to get used to that.

Is this a response to the poll? Because that one is full of devastating numbers about what happens if the Republicans screw Trump as well.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Is this a response to the poll? Because that one is full of devastating numbers about what happens if the Republicans screw Trump as well.

If they're screwed either way, why give it to Trump at that point?

 

[Wilsongt]

Oh boy. The GOP fools are out in full force today. From Rove wanting to ignore voters, to Cruz wanting to instate national right to work, and Kansas wanting to impeach its SC justices.

 

[Maledict]

No, because enough has been done to stop him and he's shot himself in the foot enough to actually start damaging his numbers and unifying the opposition. also because the field has narrowed so much. in addition, you read the stories about how many of his delegates are going to bolt on the second ballot at the convention - the establishment and party is doing everything it can to make sure it's not him.

Not saying that won't also screw them completely, but I don't think it will hurt as much as having Trump on the ticket will do.

 

[dramatis]

President Wayne doesn't need to sleep. Plus VP Grayson is more than capable of filling his shoes.

Grayson = Biden??? lol

 

[Basileus777]

If they're screwed either way, why give it to Trump at that point?

Oh they will certainly do everything they can do to accomplish that. But there's plenty of reason to be giddy about any result from here on out.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

It's not going to be Trump as the nominee. I think we need to get used to that.

Yeah I think the wheels are coming off. Also I think Trump is staring actual Presidenting in the face now and it isn't fun for him anymore.