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[whyamihere]

TRUE PROGRESSIVES LIKE TULSI GABBARD

NOTHING MATTERS

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Look at this hideous monstrosity

Do you want such monsters invading your aquariums? #nogmos

Spoiler

It's a glofish, a GMO you can keep as a pet. It's a common fish, a Zebra Danio, that's normally black and white striped, but mixed with jellyfish DNA, it becomes florescent colors. I have a yellow one. He lives peacefully with his normal DNA brothers. It's illegal in California. No, I'm not joking. It's illegal in California to sell Glofish because they are a GMO

 

[Black Mamba]

Isn't the data saying if you picked a moderate/conservative they would be more likely to be favorable (or equally likely to be favorable) towards hillary than if you picked a liberal/somewhat liberal. Over 50% of her favorability comes from those groups as well

No. Actually, among all groups she's more likely to be seen a favorable than not, within the Democrats/leaners. Among ideology, it's actually all pretty close.

Again, my point is to show that had this been more about bernie's policies, we'd expect liberals to dislike Hillary more and moderates/conservatives to favor her more. But in reality, there's no ideology breakdown.

I think that among non-liberal Sanders supporters (which is a lot of his support), it's mostly a mix of sexism, racism (towards Obama), and Clinton fatigue.

 

[Black Mamba]

I don't think so. These numbers are crosstabs on the favorability question, not crosstabs on the political identification question. I think some people are reading them the wrong way because they flipped the axes, which is itself a crime but let's pass over that.

72% of Dem leaners favor Hillary Clinton and 39% of those are liberal/very liberal. That's 28% of Dem leaners.

27% of Dem learners disfavor Hillary Clinton and 41% of those are liberal+. That's 11% of Dem leaners.

So picking a random liberal person, they're 28/39 = 71% likely to favor Hillary.

Same math for the other side:

72% favorable, 57% moderate-, 41% of Dem leaners.
27% disfavor, 57% moderate-, 15% of Dem leaners.

Moderates are 41/56 = 73% likely to favor Hillary.

It's pretty much a wash.

Exactly. My point about moderates was about how there's no discernible difference among ideology within the party. Which is surprising because Bernie is supposed to be a socialist or extremely liberal and Hillary is supposed to be Republican light! you'd think the differences would be larger!

The differences relate mostly to age, sex, and race!

 

[SheSaidNo]

Exactly. My point about moderates was about how there's no discernible difference among ideology within the party. Which is surprising because Bernie is supposed to be a socialist or extremely liberal and Hillary is supposed to be Republican light! you'd think the differences would be larger!

The differences relate mostly to age, sex, and race!

Oh i thought you were implying that moderates/conservatives were overrespresented in disliking hillary rather than it being a wash. The way the data is set up on that survey is pretty awful though

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

People that lie about mental illness and abuse to get animals in their apartment should be shot.

Bernie, I'm giving you an opportunity to win me over here.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Who knew that endorsing Sanders was all it would take to make Tulsi Gabbard a True Progressive™.

That does seem to be the test these days.

 

[mo60]

True that, even Trump got more votes than him lol

I think he may beat trump's vote total depending on how well he does in the remaining democratic primaries, but that's questionable because I'm not sure how many votes Trump is going to get in the remaining states since the race is over on the republican side.

 

[itschris]

Look at this hideous monstrosity

Do you want such monsters invading your aquariums? #nogmos

Spoiler

It's a glofish, a GMO you can keep as a pet. It's a common fish, a Zebra Danio, that's normally black and white striped, but mixed with jellyfish DNA, it becomes florescent colors. I have a yellow one. He lives peacefully with his normal DNA brothers. It's illegal in California. No, I'm not joking. It's illegal in California to sell Glofish because they are a GMO

California's also the state where everything has a cancer warning label:

 

[NYCmetsfan]

BernieBros on GAF are New Atheists too.

Kill me.

Kill me.

The ideology is the same thing. They've got the answers, everybody else (women, gays, southern blacks, republicans, etc) are just holding humanity back from star trek.

Count all the "I can't believe" posts in religion, southern, islam, republican threads. People can't have different perspectives. I think a lot of it comes from living in a non-mixed suburban environment. Nobody challenges you, no empathy is required.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Who knew that endorsing Sanders was all it would take to make Tulsi Gabbard a True Progressive™.

That does seem to be the test these days.

I'm actually somewhat surprised people here are so tough on Gabbard. You're right that she once held some pretty abhorrent views, but it takes an awful lot of intellectual courage to admit you're wrong, and she's been pretty candid in interviews about how she ended up rejecting her family values and why the way she saw life changed. I think that, at least, is admirable in itself: I don't know many who are able to critically self-examine themselves like that.

 

[Beer Monkey]

"When the economy collapses, we will make money off it."

Typical Trump!

Wait, it's genius.

All we have to do is wait for the collapse and then we'll make so much money off the rebound we'll pay off the national debt!

Come on guys, think of the children!

That's called momming really hard. When you mom really hard you fight Monsanto and GMO.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Kill me.

I feel bad for Hillary's interns that probably have to look at her Twitter replies.

Count all the "I can't believe" posts in religion, southern, islam, republican threads. People can't have different perspectives. I think a lot of it comes from living in a non-mixed suburban environment. Nobody challenges you, no empathy is required.

I mean, my dad says that all Muslims are terrorists looking to destroy our nation and I know college professors that once tried to stop women from getting degrees due to leaving in the middle of the program because of domestic violence and I actually can't believe these people have such horrible views.

 

[Crocodile]

I think that's even less true, then. Sanders might not be able to actively attract minority voters, but he quite clearly cares about minority issues - he just appointed more minority drafting committee members than Clinton did, for example. I don't see why you'd choose Sanders over Clinton as a racist. I mean, I don't see why you'd participate at all if that was your main priority anyway, to be honest, but even as a secondary issue I don't think it really has much capacity to impact things compared to '08 where you straight up had a black candidate against a white one.

If you look at how the primary map has played out in 08 vs 16, oftentimes where Clinton once struggled she now does well (due to the embrace of the Obama Coalition), and in places she used to do well she now does poorly. There have been a few states where you can see this but West Virginia is perhaps the ur-example. There you have a lot of voters who vote Republican in the general but are registered as Democrats for local elections. While its true that many "classic racists" would be in the Republican party, racism is still alive and well within the Democratic party. I, and I assure you most Black people on this forum, have seen enough diet or explicit racism on this forum from people who call themselves liberals. This isn't about a failure of Sanders to attract minority vote (which is an issue but not the issue being discussed here) but rather about those who either identify as Democracts because they truly hold a majority left-leaning agenda or identify as a Democrat due to local tribalism that either don't particularly care about concepts such as intersectionality or "never felt right about that Obama guy". As a result you have a lot of Sanders voters who are implicitly or explicitly racist that are voting for him (btw this was true of Clinton as well in 08 though I'm not sure how much she realized it or cared to realize it at the time). That's why you had like an absurd number of Sanders voters in WV that said they were voting Trump in the general.That is what B-Dubs means.

 

[whyamihere]

I wouldn't have known what the car meant if it didn't say BANKS on it!

 

[Paskil]

Heh

Feel the Bern.

 

[Jeffolation]

Just bought a Hillary Clinton t shirt from her website, wasn't sure if I could due to my Canadaness. My first contribution to any political campaign ever, feels kinda cool.

Looking forward to wearing this around my friends (all pro Bernies up here), I'm a sucker for some silly t shirt trolling fun.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I think that's even less true, then. Sanders might not be able to actively attract minority voters, but he quite clearly cares about minority issues - he just appointed more minority drafting committee members than Clinton did, for example. I don't see why you'd choose Sanders over Clinton as a racist. I mean, I don't see why you'd participate at all if that was your main priority anyway, to be honest, but even as a secondary issue I don't think it really has much capacity to impact things compared to '08 where you straight up had a black candidate against a white one.

Because she's bear hugging Barack Obama.

See West Virginia.
Also exits where he wins the "less liberal than Obama."

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I'm actually somewhat surprised people here are so tough on Gabbard. You're right that she once held some pretty abhorrent views, but it takes an awful lot of intellectual courage to admit you're wrong, and she's been pretty candid in interviews about how she ended up rejecting her family values and why the way she saw life changed. I think that, at least, is admirable in itself: I don't know many who are able to critically self-examine themselves like that.

I think a lot of the criticism of gabbard is pretty clearly just anti sanders sentiment.

She is pretty hawkish on FP (which to be honest is understandable since she's fought in the military and represents a district which is very dependent on the miltary) which is why I think her endorsement is so cynical since sanders stands against most of that

She's trying to hitch herself to sanders since she harbors future ambitions and thinks he's the future of the party. I think actually she could get a administration post in either dem presidency since coming from HI is gonna be tough because of the machine there.

 

[Azzanadra]

Just bought a Hillary Clinton t shirt from her website, wasn't sure if I could due to my Canadaness. My first contribution to any political campaign ever, feels kinda cool.

Looking forward to wearing this around my friends (all pro Bernies up here), I'm a sucker for some silly t shirt trolling fun.

Well on the University/college front, the Bernie love is overwhelming here as well. Other than that, I know like 2 Hillary supporters, one Trump supporter and one Cruz supporter (lol).

 

[shinra-bansho]

So she's Hawaiian Hillary?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

If you look at how the primary map has played out in 08 vs 16, oftentimes where Clinton once struggled she now does well (due to the embrace of the Obama Coalition), and in places she used to do well she now does poorly. There have been a few states where you can see this but West Virginia is perhaps the ur-example. There you have a lot of voters who vote Republican in the general but are registered as Democrats for local elections. While its true that many "classic racists" would be in the Republican party, racism is still alive and well within the Democratic party. I, and I assure you most Black people on this forum, have seen enough diet or explicit racism on this forum from people who call themselves liberals.

No, I very much understand that, my point is not that there is no racism in the Democratic Party, which is very obviously untrue, more that I don't see how someone who was racist would be influenced either way in this election: both candidates are pretty actively in favour minority rights, have a number of minority surrogates, and have campaigned on minority issues. It's not like you have a simple black person/white person coding like in '08, so I'm just puzzled as to how racism is supposedly one of the primary reasons behind Sanders support in West Virginia, I don't think it adds up.

This isn't about a failure of Sanders to attract minority vote (which is an issue but not the issue being discussed here) but rather about those who either identify as Democracts because they truly hold a majority left-leaning agenda or identify as a Democrat due to local tribalism that either don't particularly care about concepts such as intersectionality or "never felt right about that Obama guy". As a result you have a lot of Sanders voters who are implicitly or explicitly racist that are voting for him (btw this was true of Clinton as well in 08 though I'm not sure how much she realized it or cared to realize it at the time). That's why you had like an absurd number of Sanders voters in WV that said they were voting Trump in the general.That is what B-Dubs means.

Honestly, I think Clinton has mentioned intersectionality like twice in this campaign and Sanders once. I don't think it has ever been a prominent issue except amongst relatively engaged people like ourselves. Certainly, I'd be willing to bet the majority of voters in West Virginia had never even heard of the term. Given that Sanders supporters also overwhelmingly like Obama, and a lot of Sanders' tactics have been around trying to disassociate Clinton from Obama, I don't think that people are somehow voting Sanders to get back at Obama, I don't think that makes much sense. I think the more likely reason for Sanders voters in WV wanting to vote Trump in the general is because they don't actually intend to vote Trump but want to scare the bejeesus out of the Clinton campaign - i.e., same reason that national polling right now is so close between Clinton and Trump right now. It'd be interesting to see some data on this, but my guess is that if you go back and poll WV primary voters after the convention has finished, you'll see that Trump figure has subsided hugely, down to the same approximately 10% level of Clinton supporters who said they'd vote Trump if Sanders won.

 

[itschris]

Just bought a Hillary Clinton t shirt from her website, wasn't sure if I could due to my Canadaness. My first contribution to any political campaign ever, feels kinda cool.

Looking forward to wearing this around my friends (all pro Bernies up here), I'm a sucker for some silly t shirt trolling fun.

Speaking of shirts:

Dan Merica Verified account
‏@danmericaCNN

A Clinton volunteer in CA has this message for Sanders and Trump on his t-shirt...

Cute!

 

[RastaMentality]

Gabbard also attacked Obama for not using "radical Islam" like a republican would so she's not exactly "just a warhawk because she served in the military".

 

[B-Dubs]

If you look at how the primary map has played out in 08 vs 16, oftentimes where Clinton once struggled she now does well (due to the embrace of the Obama Coalition), and in places she used to do well she now does poorly. There have been a few states where you can see this but West Virginia is perhaps the ur-example. There you have a lot of voters who vote Republican in the general but are registered as Democrats for local elections. While its true that many "classic racists" would be in the Republican party, racism is still alive and well within the Democratic party. I, and I assure you most Black people on this forum, have seen enough diet or explicit racism on this forum from people who call themselves liberals. This isn't about a failure of Sanders to attract minority vote (which is an issue but not the issue being discussed here) but rather about those who either identify as Democracts because they truly hold a majority left-leaning agenda or identify as a Democrat due to local tribalism that either don't particularly care about concepts such as intersectionality or "never felt right about that Obama guy". As a result you have a lot of Sanders voters who are implicitly or explicitly racist that are voting for him (btw this was true of Clinton as well in 08 though I'm not sure how much she realized it or cared to realize it at the time). That's why you had like an absurd number of Sanders voters in WV that said they were voting Trump in the general.That is what B-Dubs means.

Thanks for taking this while I went out to eat. This is pretty much what I meant by that. There's a subsection of the democratic party that is racist, whether it's subconsciously or actively doesn't make much difference in this case, that will vote based on those feelings. Basically: black woman < black man < white woman < white man. We saw this in 2008 with Clinton's campaign against Obama, the more racist vote coalesced around her due to this hierarchy, and now it's supporting Bernie for the exact same reason. Which is not to say all Bernie voters are racists or sexists, but that a subset of his voters are due to how they make their choices.

EDIT: A lot of these voters don't even vote Democrat in general elections, they're just democrats because they registered as such when they were kids due to their parents and are too lazy to fix it. Which is not to say that there are not racist democrats out there who vote on the line I explained, just that they are likely the minority.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Nah, I'm pretty sure they're just going to vote Trump.

Prison Inmate Wins More than 40% of Democratic Vote Over President Obama in WV Primary

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I think a lot of the criticism of gabbard is pretty clearly just anti sanders sentiment.

She is pretty hawkish on FP (which to be honest is understandable since she's fought in the military and represents a district which is very dependent on the miltary) which is why I think her endorsement is so cynical since sanders stands against most of that

I'm not actually at all clear what her foreign policy views are at the moment after she 180'd on Syria. That was a pretty egregious flip-flop; although I'll give her the credence of the doubt if she sticks to such a stance in the long run. The trouble is right now it's hard to tell if this is part of her gradual political conversion or a piece of opportunism.

She's trying to hitch herself to sanders since she harbors future ambitions and thinks he's the future of the party. I think actually she could get a administration post in either dem presidency since coming from HI is gonna be tough because of the machine there.

I think she's probably right re: Sanders being the future of the party. Well, not Sanders himself, he'll be done by July, but outsider candidates are only going to become more popular - particularly because I think the US' economic fundamentals don't look good, and my best guess would be Clinton losing in 2020 following an economic downturn and a lot of "I told you so"-ism for what we'll call the "Sanderite" wing.

Certainly, I don't think that the Democratic young stars will want to associate too closely with Clinton; it's why I very much doubt that someone like Kamala Harris would accept a VP position.

 

[whyamihere]

Speaking of shirts:



Cute!

Hi hey what's up

I'm not actually at all clear what her foreign policy views are at the moment after she 180'd on Syria. That was a pretty egregious flip-flop; although I'll give her the credence of the doubt if she sticks to such a stance in the long run. The trouble is right now it's hard to tell if this is part of her gradual political conversion or a piece of opportunism.

Considering just how recently she was criticizing Obama for not using "radical Islam", I'm going to side with her being a cynical opportunist.

 

[B-Dubs]

I'm not actually at all clear what her foreign policy views are at the moment after she 180'd on Syria. That was a pretty egregious flip-flop; although I'll give her the credence of the doubt if she sticks to such a stance in the long run. The trouble is right now it's hard to tell if this is part of her gradual political conversion or a piece of opportunism.



I think she's probably right re: Sanders being the future of the party. Well, not Sanders himself, he'll be done by July, but outsider candidates are only going to become more popular - particularly because I think the US' economic fundamentals don't look good, and my best guess would be Clinton losing in 2020 following an economic downturn and a lot of "I told you so"-ism for what we'll call the "Sanderite" wing.

Certainly, I don't think that the Democratic young stars will want to associate too closely with Clinton; it's why I very much doubt that someone like Kamala Harris would accept a VP position.

Honestly, I feel like you might be overestimating Bernie's clout here. Eight years from now Obama is still likely to be the kingmaker.

 

[PBY]

Seth Abramson is melting down on twitter.

 

[Dan]

Time to get into filling out my CA ballot...

Ling Ling Shi for United States Senate's blurb in the voter guide: Run for God's Heart and America's Freedom, challenge 10 giant chaos in economy and economy-related sectors.

Wut.

 

[Macho Madness]

Washington Primary today.

No delegates on the line for Democrats.

Results: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/...te/WA_Page_0524.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS

Polls close at 8PM Pacific.

 

[studyguy]

California's also the state where everything has a cancer warning label:

When I go into a general department in a store that has silverware, it always has this giant sign warning of Cancer causing chemicals in it. Like you'll be into a Macy's in the mall and find one in there.

These signs pop up in the strangest places. We're full of cancer in CA, the best cancer. The most glamorous cancers.

 

[whyamihere]

Time to get into filling out my CA ballot...

Ling Ling Shi for United States Senate's blurb in the voter guide: Run for God's Heart and America's Freedom, challenge 10 giant chaos in economy and economy-related sectors.

Wut.

They're no President Cristina Grappo.

 

[hawk2025]

Seth Abramson is melting down on twitter.

It really is Joke'sOnYouIwasOnlyKidding.jpg in Twitter form.

Amazing.

This election season cannot get any more bizarre.

Time to get into filling out my CA ballot...

Ling Ling Shi for United States Senate's blurb in the voter guide: Run for God's Heart and America's Freedom, challenge 10 giant chaos in economy and economy-related sectors.

Wut.

Chaos... Emeralds?

@Huelen

 

[B-Dubs]

Seth Abramson is melting down on twitter.

Apparently he teaches kids about journalism? I'd call up the school he teaches at and show them his HuffPost blog, they should know about that shit. If I ever pulled the shit he pulled I'd get fired.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Honestly, I feel like you might be overestimating Bernie's clout here. Eight years from now Obama is still likely to be the kingmaker.

I'm not saying Sanders will have any clout - I don't think he will. I'm saying that, in general, the concept of 'outsider politicians' will become more popular, for reasons unrelated to Sanders (although they were responsible for him in the first place). Secular stagnation, increased globalization undermining low-skilled workers, the Democratic Party in office becoming tired and haggard, the collapse of traditional media, they all contribute to anti-establishment candidate strength. That's not a solely American phenomena, you can see it across the Western world. Trump and Sanders are just analogues for Farage and Corbyn, Marine le Pen and Melenchon, AfD and the Greens, Hofer and Van der Bellen, the neo-Francoists and Podemos, you name it. I don't think is a trend that is going away any time soon.

 

[royalan]

Hillary has defined her campaign as being the true successor of Obama's administration She has campaigned more heavily on minority/women issues, and has higher profile minority surrogates.

This year might not be the literal white person versus black person that 08 was. But I've candidate is definitely running a lot more openly on the policies of the first black president than the other.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Podemos. I forgot to put money on them. I'll wait till after California.

 

[theprodigy]

I think the more likely reason for Sanders voters in WV wanting to vote Trump in the general is because they don't actually intend to vote Trump but want to scare the bejeesus out of the Clinton campaign - i.e., same reason that national polling right now is so close between Clinton and Trump right now. It'd be interesting to see some data on this, but my guess is that if you go back and poll WV primary voters after the convention has finished, you'll see that Trump figure has subsided hugely, down to the same approximately 10% level of Clinton supporters who said they'd vote Trump if Sanders won.

No, I'm pretty sure those are just Trump voters, remember how poorly Obama did in the 2012 primary.

A reminder that many of these people in fact never vote for Democrats on the presidential level in the first place.

 

[Cesare Borgia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODaxZSz3Awg

Hillary wasn't just doomed there due to embracing Obama. Her policies are largely viewed as beneficial to blacks and Hispanics. IE "giving hard earned tax money to people who don't work or aren't American citizens." If you really think Mr. Wealth Redistribution would win those people over against Donald Trump in November you haven't been paying attention.

 

[whyamihere]

No, I'm pretty sure those are just Trump voters, remember how poorly Obama did in the 2012 primary.

A reminder that many of these people in fact never vote for Democrats on the presidential level in the first place.

Yeah, I mean, they told us pretty clearly they would rather vote for Trump than Sanders. It's a protest vote.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODaxZSz3Awg

Hillary wasn't just doomed there due to embracing Obama. Her policies are largely viewed as beneficial to blacks and Hispanics. IE "giving hard earned tax money to people who don't work or aren't American citizens." If you really think Mr. Wealth Redistribution would win those people over against Donald Trump in November you haven't been paying attention.

This doesn't follow. Sanders' policies are strongly more redistributive.

 

[Crayons]

Kill me.

I feel bad for Hillary's interns that probably have to look at her Twitter replies.



I mean, my dad says that all Muslims are terrorists looking to destroy our nation and I know college professors that once tried to stop women from getting degrees due to leaving in the middle of the program because of domestic violence and I actually can't believe these people have such horrible views.

hillary has a fat ass

 

[Dan]

No, I'm pretty sure those are just Trump voters, remember how poorly Obama did in the 2012 primary.

A reminder that many of these people in fact never vote for Democrats on the presidential level in the first place.

This reminds me. People keep saying all those Sanders voters who preferred Trump to Clinton are lazy lapsed Democrats who never changed their affiliation, but then they're still motivated enough to go out and vote in a primary? That rationale hasn't really made sense to me.

 

[Cybit]

This may sound weird, but I kind of have a rationale for some of the stuff Bernie is doing at the moment. The problem is, it would require him to be good at being a politician. I don't think he is a good politician, at least not when it comes to optics and all that jazz.

BUT....

Because he's blown the "FRAUD!" trumpet so loud and so often, if he just concedes and supports Hillary quietly and with dignity, that's not going to give his supporters that catharsis that they need. I still think he needs to put up a fight, as annoying, pointless and useless as it is. Then, he can turn to his supporters and say, "Look, we fought the man. We made them do X, Y and Z*. They heard us. Now, we can support them while holding their feet to the fire." (*Even if the concessions he gets are entirely pointless.)

It lets him land the plane while still pretending to be in the driver's seat. It gives him the appearance of greater leverage when he calls for unity, while making it appear as though he didn't just roll over and accept it.

Maybe

Bingo. This is the same strategy Clinton used in 2008. If Clinton or Sanders had dropped out "too early" from their supporters POV, the call to unity falls on deaf ears, because now the supporters are mad that the candidate didn't fight as long as they "should" have.

I... am not sure if you are saying I'm ignorant or not!

Don't worry - it's a post-modern comment! (I'm not saying that you are ignorant, if that's an actual question). It's more of a snarky comment towards academia (the missus is one and is ready to strangle all of them due to the condescension / pretension involved) and how sometimes they are just very good at sounding intellectual and yet being completely stupid.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

Come on guys, think of the children!

I love that these people are super up-in-arms about never changing your stances and purity, and I bet none of them know that Liz Warren was a damn Republican until the mid 90s.

This doesn't follow. Sanders' policies are strongly more redistributive.

Sanders' language and his base is built specifically on white working class people, not all working class people. He himself didn't intend this (barring that quote where he actually says 'white' but I'm not sure of the source), but it's how his message is viewed. So those voters who use the dog whistle of "Don't give our money to un-American people!" would be more prone to gravitate towards Sanders above Hillary, but ultimately, they're all firmly Trump voters.

This country's history isn't that opposed to welfare benefits; we just always fight about it because people of color might get those benefits, and that's where a lot of the US draws the line.

 

[hawk2025]

Don't worry - it's a post-modern comment! (I'm not saying that you are ignorant, if that's an actual question). It's more of a snarky comment towards academia (the missus is one and is ready to strangle all of them due to the condescension / pretension involved) and how sometimes they are just very good at sounding intellectual and yet being completely stupid.

As an ex-academic, I'm quite aware, and probably often make the same mistake!

Hopefully nowhere near Abramson's article, though.

 

[Black Mamba]

This doesn't follow. Sanders' policies are strongly more redistributive.

It's like you're not listening. This doesn't matter. They know Hillary. They know she can win. They don't want her to win. They vote against her because of that.

And bernie directly speaks to white middle class Americans.

 

[whyamihere]

This reminds me. People keep saying all those Sanders voters who preferred Trump to Clinton are lazy lapsed Democrats who never changed their affiliation, but then they're still motivated enough to go out and vote in a primary? That rationale hasn't really made sense to me.

It's a weird phenomena that's happened in Southern closed primaries since 2004. One of the reasons why the undervote is so high in them.