And you don't think that picking the tax loving, rape fantasizing, Russia vacationing, bread lining Socialist won't give the average joe a reason to hate Hillary?
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And you don't think that picking the tax loving, rape fantasizing, Russia vacationing, bread lining Socialist won't give the average joe a reason to hate Hillary?
Ain't that a blast from the past :lol
User 463088
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Also, "loud mouth" kinda applies to Bernie too? He does yell a lot.
Unless of course the argument is people don't like opinionated women. Which, again, no Veep selection is going to change their minds about that with Hillary being at the top of the ticket.
Unless of course the argument is people don't like opinionated women. Which, again, no Veep selection is going to change their minds about that with Hillary being at the top of the ticket.
Aaron Strife
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I don't see how people looking for reasons to hate Hillary are very winnable in the first place though.
It's not like her VP pick of all things would be the silver bullet here.
If her concern is base turnout she should pick someone who excites the base.
I can't wait to see his reaction when the FBI does not recommend hilary for indictment.
User 463088
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Which I think is her biggest concern, to be honest. She oesn't need a Veep to balance the ticket to reach out to AA, Latino or women voters. She's got that group locked up simply because of Donald J. Trump. I think her biggest issue is going to be the white, liberal Bernie co-opted wing. It's not going to be Bernie because...no. Warren seems like a good choice to sew up that side of the party.
Perez has the policy chops for it, but, he doesn't have the name recognition to go along with it. If people on this side of the party are voting out of ideological purity, I'm not sure how concerned they are with actual policy purity as they are with the perception of purity. Perez isn't a sexy choice, to me at least. He's a better bone to the far left than Kaine.
I don't think Hillary will pick Bernie or Warren. She needs someone younger and with more appeal. I don't think picking someone roughly the same age as she is and further to the left is the right move. Younger and further to the left? Maybe. Younger and someone who has won in a red state or has the appeal to woe red states? Even better considering how much trouble Trump will have holding the traditional republican coalition together.
Ether_Snake
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First of all, if Sanders was offered the VP spot and he accepted it, it would mean he would actually try to make this work, otherwise he wouldn't take it and would prefer watch Hillary lose. So under the assumption that he accepts it, you just solved the whole mess of the past few months, which IS a real issue whether Hillarystans like it or not. So at least the party itself is secured, and chances are it comes out stronger than it went in before the elections started.
Second, your description of Sanders doesn't exist in the average Joe's mind. Most people are paying fuck-all attention to the campaign, don't know who Elizabeth Warren is, and the only reason they know who Paul Ryan is is because he ran as Romney's VP. So people would see Sanders as the other Democrat pick, who's more to the left than Clinton, big deal. Trump would attack him, but all that would do is give Sanders an opportunity to attack Trump back and this time with Clinton: THAT is deadly from Trump's campaign, regardless of how he tries to characterize Sanders. Yes Warren can attack Trump, but too many will simply dismiss her attacks, and see her as Hillary's attack dog, something Sanders would not be seen as at all.
You can pretend Sanders can lose and leave and that it won't bring Hillary's numbers down, it will, but there is no way she can't take that into account when it comes to who the VP pick will be, and Warren won't reverse that.
If there's anyone else than Biden or Sanders who can this, other than Obama himself, I never heard of them.
Aaron Strife
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Yeah I'm ok with Perez or Kaine but I'm not the type of voter Hillary needs to convince.
Someone like Warren or Franken would be better in that regard.
Veritigo_X
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HA Goodman is going to have a meltdown that makes Seth Abramson's meltdown look tame. It's going to be amazing and I hope to watch it live before he deletes it all.
GutsOfThor
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Her choice for VP all depends on who trump picks does it not?
I bet it'll be Warren. I'm willing to do an avatar bet. If I win, I get to choose Daniel B's next avatar and Kev can change it for me.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Newt Gingrich on the NYTimes saying Trump is an insane person for saying Hillary killed Vince Foster.
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/735656804353335296
Newt is probably going to be Trump's VP and Newt still hasn't paid back his $4M campaign debt from 2012, lmao.
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/735656804353335296
Newt is probably going to be Trump's VP and Newt still hasn't paid back his $4M campaign debt from 2012, lmao.
And there's a very real reason for that. Republicans "like" Bernie because he would be incredibly easy to destroy. And though he's not going to win the nomination, Bernie would bring all that baggage with him if Hillary chose him as her VP.
And I highly, highly doubt Bernie would be able to fire back at the same rate at which Trump and Republicans would be spinning beautiful fanfiction out of the very "out there" things that man has done and said in his past. He hasn't shown the ability to be that quick.
Yeah, that's my only misgiving in regards to Elizabeth being Hillary's running mate. Why I prefer Perez!
Lmao
I'm team Perez 😃 woo
lol
Knuckle Sandwich
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Not going to happen but I've been wanting Michael Brown as VP since I saw him mentioned in an article a while back.
Pretty much quoing the whole wiki entry lol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Brown_(City_Year)
Brown is a graduate of Harvard University and Harvard Law School, where he served as editor of the Harvard Law Review. Prior to founding City Year, he served as a legislative assistant to then Congressman Leon Panetta and as a clerk for then Federal Judge Stephen Breyer.
Inspired by a visit with City Year during his 1992 presidential run, President Bill Clinton enlisted the help of Michael Brown, Alan Khazei and others to establish AmeriCorps through the National and Community Service Trust Act of 1993. Since then, more than 900,000 AmeriCorps members have contributed upwards of 1.2 billion hours of public service. City Year, along with thousands of other non-profit organizations, is a member of the AmeriCorps network.
In June 2003, AmeriCorps funding was cut by 80 percent. Brown and other service leaders organized the "Save AmeriCorps" act, a campaign culminating in a 100-hour hearing in the Capitol. At this hearing, more than 700 AmeriCorps supporters testified. The campaign led to half of the AmeriCorps funding being restored in 2003 and to all of the previous funding plus a $100 million increase appropriated for 2004. As a result of the increased funding, the AmeriCorps program was able to engage 25,000 more corps members in service.
Brown's efforts have been integral through the passage of the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, and the creation of Voices for National Service
Brown was named one of America's Best Leaders by the U.S. News & World Report and an Executive of the Year by NonProfit Times for his leadership role in ServiceNation and the passage of the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act.
For his work developing City Year, Brown has been awarded the Reebok Human Rights Award, the National Caring Award, the Samuel S. Beard Jefferson Award of the American Institute for Public Service, the Boston Bar Association's Public Service Award, the Harvard Law School Association Award, and four honorary degrees, including a Doctorate of Public Service from Northeastern University.
Just seems like a good dude and the kind of person you want in leadership...
Pretty much quoing the whole wiki entry lol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Brown_(City_Year)
Brown is a graduate of Harvard University and Harvard Law School, where he served as editor of the Harvard Law Review. Prior to founding City Year, he served as a legislative assistant to then Congressman Leon Panetta and as a clerk for then Federal Judge Stephen Breyer.
Inspired by a visit with City Year during his 1992 presidential run, President Bill Clinton enlisted the help of Michael Brown, Alan Khazei and others to establish AmeriCorps through the National and Community Service Trust Act of 1993. Since then, more than 900,000 AmeriCorps members have contributed upwards of 1.2 billion hours of public service. City Year, along with thousands of other non-profit organizations, is a member of the AmeriCorps network.
In June 2003, AmeriCorps funding was cut by 80 percent. Brown and other service leaders organized the "Save AmeriCorps" act, a campaign culminating in a 100-hour hearing in the Capitol. At this hearing, more than 700 AmeriCorps supporters testified. The campaign led to half of the AmeriCorps funding being restored in 2003 and to all of the previous funding plus a $100 million increase appropriated for 2004. As a result of the increased funding, the AmeriCorps program was able to engage 25,000 more corps members in service.
Brown's efforts have been integral through the passage of the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, and the creation of Voices for National Service
Brown was named one of America's Best Leaders by the U.S. News & World Report and an Executive of the Year by NonProfit Times for his leadership role in ServiceNation and the passage of the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act.
For his work developing City Year, Brown has been awarded the Reebok Human Rights Award, the National Caring Award, the Samuel S. Beard Jefferson Award of the American Institute for Public Service, the Boston Bar Association's Public Service Award, the Harvard Law School Association Award, and four honorary degrees, including a Doctorate of Public Service from Northeastern University.
Just seems like a good dude and the kind of person you want in leadership...
What did she say yesterday?
Shaun King's meltdown will be fun.
The longer Bernie fights the higher the chances Warren gets drafted into the job. I love Perez but he doesn't have the profile of Warren and he's never won statewide election.
Aaron Strife
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If Warren was selected Mass could easily change the election laws (again) to let the legislature appoint senators or something. I'm pretty sure the technical term is that they have a super duper majority.
edit: They have like 5 GOP senators out of 40. It'll be ok.
edit: They have like 5 GOP senators out of 40. It'll be ok.
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Fat white guy as VP pick, smart move Trump. Going for that majority vote.
yeah no...not because of anything wrong with him persay, but because his name is Michael Brown
82.3% of seats in the State Senate and 76.3% of seats in the State House.
I agree on that
AntraxSuicide
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The bold is some serious hand-waving. Do you know why Obama (and every Democrat really) have to tap dance around being liberal? Because if they ever said half of what Sanders has said, they'd be creamed nationally. Bread lines and "the government can't possibly be inefficient" are the kind of quotes that would justify every insane conspiracy about left wing politicians in the minds of GE voters.
HOLY SHIT I just started and she is SLAYING
Aaron Strife
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I mean don't get me wrong, it would look cynical as all fuck, but it's not like that's stopped them before.
They changed the law in 2004 to prevent Romney from appointing a Republican in Kerry's place should he win (it would have just gone straight to special election), and they changed it again in 2009 after Kennedy died so they could restore the 60 vote majority.
I almost feel as if holding the special election earlier might have prevented Brown from being elected, but eh.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Yes that's one of the reason it won't happen.
yasssBasically:
I was already #TeamWarren, but now, holy shit, NOW I'm HYPED UP.
WARREN FOR VP
Just got phonebanked for Bernie in CA. The guy was nice and polite about it. Just asked if I wanted to watch their speeches on Youtube and see if it might change my mind and when I said I'd been following the primary he said "well at least you're a good citizen! Have a nice night."
Republic of Ezo
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My high school history teacher was her brother.
Dubbedinenglish
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Watch the Repubs rush him in the day after the election lol
User 463088
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No. He'll just shift loyalties to Jill Stein or Gary Johnson and make articles about how if all Hillary voters voted Green Party they can beat Trump. And here's why.
RustyNails
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In any case, I hope FBI wraps their emailghazi shit up before Cali. If it drops after the nomination, it will take her presumptive nominee news cycle away.
I'd be far more comfortable with a woman that age getting into the White House than a man, but I think this campaign has been relatively unique in age not being a factor at all, principally because Hillary was foreseen as the likely candidate eons ago and the only remotely exciting competition was Bernie, so age disappears from the equation. I would highly, highly doubt that'll be the case in 2024.
I could easily see her doing one more term at that point. I think that's infinitely more likely than her taking VP and then running for president.
Suikoguy
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Is there any chance it will?
RustyNails
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I don't know what's going on. FBI asked the State Dept to stop it's investigation over emails, and they agreed. I don't know why the State Dept went ahead and concluded it. Probably to cover their ass before FBI report hits?
Could be the FBI is done and are just waiting to get their ducks all in a row before they announce.
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