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[Spoiled Milk]

I've been watching old videos of Bernie Sanders. Pretty much his whole life, his career in Congress, his run for the governorship of Burlington, he's been talking about the same issues: campaign finance reform, national healthcare, infrastructure, etc. These issues have been his life's work. These are his convictions.

And finally he's on the national stage. And he's got a platform to talk about these issues. And people are listening and supporting him and donating to him and the next generation that will run this country is voting overwhelmingly for him (

Spoiler

except the black ones

). He's finally where he wants to be: shrieking in the ears of every American.

Why should he drop out now? Why should he accept defeat and be silent? It makes perfect sense that he would take this to the convention. This is what matters to him.

I don't think he should drop out, either. If you listen to his old debates with the Vermont governor, you can already hear his anti-establishment fervor. He talks about having displaced the ruling class of Burlington (Burlington had a ruling class?) and upsetting the establishment, and how he wants to do that with all of Vermont. This is how he's always been. He doesn't play nice with the powers-that-be. Maybe you disagree with him, but he doesn't care; for Bernie Sanders, the country is just a few steps away (and has been for decades) from democratic socialist revolution.

So he's not going to stop. And based on what I posted earlier (the transcript from TYT), I seriously doubt he will outright endorse Hillary Clinton, either. And that's ok! I would be more disappointed in Bernie Sanders if he put aside his convictions in the last years of his life and the end of his political career and "settled". The man has been fighting longer than everyone here has been alive for issues that have always been a part of the progressive platform (except for gun stuff and really solid immigration reform). That's pretty incredible at face value. And so not endorsing Hillary Clinton and trying to bern it down at the convention (which he will definitely do if he's given a speech) and nominating Cornell West and accusing the DNC chair of being a fraudster and lamenting about the corporate media... this was inevitable because it's who he is. And that's ok, because this is America, where you're allowed to do that.

So Bernie should keep doing Bernie, and those of us that dislike him should keep disliking him, and his supporters will either get on board the Clinton/Kaine train or stay home and whether or not Bernie does anything to help that is not really his responsibility because voters are adults and it's Clinton's responsibility to earn their votes.

But while you guys twist and groan about it all, I've already made my peace.

الله أكبر

EDIT: WTF, he called the AIDS activists Big Pharma shills? This guy needs to slow his fucking roll, I take EVERYTHING back. #BernieForHospice

 

[Holmes]

HIllary's campaign is opening an office here tomorrow at 11. Cool beans. I look forward to everyone bitching about Bernie lol.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/even..._campaign=20160527FresnoOffice&utm_content=ca

Fresno? That's random... I wonder if it will stay open during the general. Not that Hillary will need help in California and the rent may be better used for an office in Ohio, Florida or Virginia.

 

[User 463088]

Did Bernie actually say anything? All I've seen is campaign PR talk. I'm a bit confused

I don't draw a distinction between what the candidate says and a press release from the campaign. In my mind, they're one and the same. His name is at the top of the ticket, after all. The shit they've managed to fling at Peter Staley is gross. Ugh.

 

[Emarv]

Who knew 2016 would be the year I got sick of people referencing "Let Bartlett be Bartlett"?

Seriously, we gotta stop.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Thinking about Bernie taking on Burlington's ruling class I just imagine it looking like an argument between Lorelai and Taylor Doose about an upcoming festival in Stars Hollow

 

[VendettaRed07]

I don't draw a distinction between what the candidate says and a press release from the campaign. In my mind, they're one and the same. His name is at the top of the ticket, after all. The shit they've managed to fling at Peter Staley is gross. Ugh.

yeah, that's true.

It did take Hillary about a day or so for Hillary to come out and apologize for her aids comments. Still I hope Bernie says something or addresses this directly himself soon, or retracts what statements his campaign made :/

 

[HUELEN10]

Kristoffer, you were right about Trump and now you are right about Bernie.

You really should do politics for a living.

I feel a lot better now.

 

[User 463088]

yeah, that's true.

It did take Hillary about a day or so for Hillary to come out and apologize for her aids comments. Still I hope Bernie says something or addresses this directly himself soon, or retracts what statements his campaign made :/

The Hilary/Nancy Reagan thing was so fucking stupid on so many fucking levels. A total unforced error on her part. However, I give her mad credit for not being wishy washy in her apology. She took ownership of that fuck up.

I still don't know how her mind went to HIV/AIDS and Reagan.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

But while you guys twist and groan about it all, I've already made my peace.

الله أكبر

That's great and all, but if the infighting he's causing causes a Trump presidency, I'm sure the peace you made with yourself will almost certainly change to other feelings. It doesn't matter if you're a Bernie or Clinton fan at that point - you would BOTH would lose. HARD.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Are HUELEN10 and Kristoffer actually the same person? Today, in the Enquirer.

Anyway I totally get why people don't like Clinton. I'm the kind of person that can go "Oh, we didn't declare Honduras a coup and kept the aid flowing, effectively propping up a military dictatorship and training their soldiers? Well, this was so that the country didn't collapse into civil unrest, and it was also in our interest to have a strong government to combat against the drug trafficking." But I'm pretty sure most people don't think this way and I would actually be embarrassed to be caught saying this in public among friends.

 

[Meowster]

Also, can I just say, when Hillary fucked up on the HIV/AIDS issue she fucking ate the crow and apologized. Bernie doubled down on stupid.

Ugh. Why does this shit still surprise me!?

This is making me mad considering his people always blather on about how she was no ally for LGBT people when she has done damn more during her time as Secretary of State than he has his entire career. You can tell she was not happy with her words and remorseful for the damage she had done because you know she values it. I don't expect to ever hear a true apology from him. He hasn't given one once throughout this entire election. I'm done with him, for sure, not even entertaining him anymore.

 

[User 463088]

This is making me mad considering his people always blather on about how she was no ally for LGBT people when she has done damn more during her time as Secretary of State than he has his entire career. You can tell she was not happy with her words and remorseful for the damage she had done because you know she values it. I don't expect to ever hear a true apology from him. He hasn't given one once throughout this entire election. I'm done with him, for sure, not even entertaining him anymore.

I agree completely. I made the case earlier that I see Hillary as more of an advocate for LGBT issues than an ally. (And, in my mind, there is a big difference between the two.) The HIV/AIDS comments were something you could tell she regretted and not just because it had the potential to hurt her. She fucked up. She knew she fucked up. She tried to fix it without excuses.

At the same time, I understand she's a 68 year old, cis-gendered white woman. These are issues she's having to understand in a way she probably didn't have to before. So, what I like to see is 1) good policy and 2) a willingness to learn and understand. We get both with Queen.

 

[Chichikov]

I've been watching old videos of Bernie Sanders. Pretty much his whole life, his career in Congress, his run for the governorship of Burlington, he's been talking about the same issues: campaign finance reform, national healthcare, infrastructure, etc. These issues have been his life's work. These are his convictions.

And finally he's on the national stage. And he's got a platform to talk about these issues. And people are listening and supporting him and donating to him and the next generation that will run this country is voting overwhelmingly for him (

Spoiler

except the black ones

). He's finally where he wants to be: shrieking in the ears of every American.

Why should he drop out now? Why should he accept defeat and be silent? It makes perfect sense that he would take this to the convention. This is what matters to him.

I don't think he should drop out, either. If you listen to his old debates with the Vermont governor, you can already hear his anti-establishment fervor. He talks about having displaced the ruling class of Burlington (Burlington had a ruling class?) and upsetting the establishment, and how he wants to do that with all of Vermont. This is how he's always been. He doesn't play nice with the powers-that-be. Maybe you disagree with him, but he doesn't care; for Bernie Sanders, the country is just a few steps away (and has been for decades) from democratic socialist revolution.

So he's not going to stop. And based on what I posted earlier (the transcript from TYT), I seriously doubt he will outright endorse Hillary Clinton, either. And that's ok! I would be more disappointed in Bernie Sanders if he put aside his convictions in the last years of his life and the end of his political career and "settled". The man has been fighting longer than everyone here has been alive for issues that have always been a part of the progressive platform (except for gun stuff and really solid immigration reform). That's pretty incredible at face value. And so not endorsing Hillary Clinton and trying to bern it down at the convention (which he will definitely do if he's given a speech) and nominating Cornell West and accusing the DNC chair of being a fraudster and lamenting about the corporate media... this was inevitable because it's who he is. And that's ok, because this is America, where you're allowed to do that.

So Bernie should keep doing Bernie, and those of us that dislike him should keep disliking him, and his supporters will either get on board the Clinton/Kaine train or stay home and whether or not Bernie does anything to help that is not really his responsibility because voters are adults and it's Clinton's responsibility to earn their votes.

But while you guys twist and groan about it all, I've already made my peace.

الله أكبر

He should drop because him staying is not helping the issues that are important to him, at this point, he's starting to hurt them.
He's alienating potential allies and the only political party in America who is able to do anything positive about these issues.
If he drops (before or after the last primary, it doesn't matter) endorse Hillary resoundly, like she did in '08, he would generate a lot of good will toward him. That would make pushing progressive agenda easier. If he burn down the convention he would set back progressive causes.

 

[kirblar]

The Hilary/Nancy Reagan thing was so fucking stupid on so many fucking levels. A total unforced error on her part. However, I give her mad credit for not being wishy washy in her apology. She took ownership of that fuck up.

I still don't know how her mind went to HIV/AIDS and Reagan.

Seen it suggested she mixed up Reagan w/ Barbara Bush.

 

[Frozenprince]

Why couldn't Cali have been this week.

Why must I be subjected to his death rattles?

Just fuck off Bernie, fuck off back to Vermont and leave us all alone.

 

[Dominican Power]

Barney asking for the world when he hasn't done shit for the party.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I think otherme is right in that contrary to what some people assert the longer he's stayed in the less goodwill and leverage he's going to have. Especially with the stuff he's pulling now.

Because nobody likes a sore loser. Like, nobody. The shark has been jumped.

 

[User 463088]

Fuck, man, this shit pissed me off something hard. But, like Obama said, don't boo vote. So, I just decided to donate to Equitas Health which is an LGBT health organization that also focuses on HIV/AIDS treatment in Ohio. I'll wait another week for Quantum Break.

 

[User 463088]

On the flip side of all of this, Bernie continuing to stay in is probably hurting his brand more than Queen at the moment. If he manages to piss off a few more left leaning people, maybe her actions to unify the party will be a lot easier?

A friend of mine, who was mostly pro-Bernie, although not as...uh...invested, as some people, managed to blow up my phone this evening upset about his comments. She works for an HIV/AIDS group and was just absolutely pissed off. If he wants to keep poisoning his well of good will, go ahead I guess?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I think otherme is right in that contrary to what some people assert the longer he's stayed in the less goodwill and leverage he's going to have. Especially with the stuff he's pulling now.

Because nobody likes a sore loser. Like, nobody. The worm will turn, if it hasn't already.

I agree. As I said earlier, he's pulled the trigger slightly too early. I think the DNC committee issue is probably the last major battle. If he can get one more of his own, then he has veto power. I can't see what else he'd seriously push for. That's the issue we're seeing played out now.

 

[Frozenprince]

I think otherme is right in that contrary to what some people assert the longer he's stayed in the less goodwill and leverage he's going to have. Especially with the stuff he's pulling now.

Because nobody likes a sore loser. Like, nobody. The worm will turn, if it hasn't already.

Apocrypha I know but among my social group and FB group his constant need to stay in the limelight has already worn people down and I doubt any of them want to hear about healthcare or education reform again any time soon.

Him staying in could do real, lasting damage right now.

 

[BlastProcessing]

I've been watching old videos of Bernie Sanders. Pretty much his whole life, his career in Congress, his run for the governorship of Burlington, he's been talking about the same issues: campaign finance reform, national healthcare, infrastructure, etc. These issues have been his life's work. These are his convictions.

And finally he's on the national stage. And he's got a platform to talk about these issues. And people are listening and supporting him and donating to him and the next generation that will run this country is voting overwhelmingly for him (

Spoiler

except the black ones

). He's finally where he wants to be: shrieking in the ears of every American.

Why should he drop out now? Why should he accept defeat and be silent? It makes perfect sense that he would take this to the convention. This is what matters to him.

I don't think he should drop out, either. If you listen to his old debates with the Vermont governor, you can already hear his anti-establishment fervor. He talks about having displaced the ruling class of Burlington (Burlington had a ruling class?) and upsetting the establishment, and how he wants to do that with all of Vermont. This is how he's always been. He doesn't play nice with the powers-that-be. Maybe you disagree with him, but he doesn't care; for Bernie Sanders, the country is just a few steps away (and has been for decades) from democratic socialist revolution.

So he's not going to stop. And based on what I posted earlier (the transcript from TYT), I seriously doubt he will outright endorse Hillary Clinton, either. And that's ok! I would be more disappointed in Bernie Sanders if he put aside his convictions in the last years of his life and the end of his political career and "settled". The man has been fighting longer than everyone here has been alive for issues that have always been a part of the progressive platform (except for gun stuff and really solid immigration reform). That's pretty incredible at face value. And so not endorsing Hillary Clinton and trying to bern it down at the convention (which he will definitely do if he's given a speech) and nominating Cornell West and accusing the DNC chair of being a fraudster and lamenting about the corporate media... this was inevitable because it's who he is. And that's ok, because this is America, where you're allowed to do that.

So Bernie should keep doing Bernie, and those of us that dislike him should keep disliking him, and his supporters will either get on board the Clinton/Kaine train or stay home and whether or not Bernie does anything to help that is not really his responsibility because voters are adults and it's Clinton's responsibility to earn their votes.

But while you guys twist and groan about it all, I've already made my peace.

الله أكبر

EDIT: WTF, he called the AIDS activists Big Pharma shills? This guy needs to slow his fucking roll, I take EVERYTHING back. #BernieForHospice

He should drop now because he is caught in the losers vortex and it is distorting his messages. He spends his time arguing about superdelegates and delegate math and which states matter. He is accusing his opponent and colleague of money laundering. His staff is planting questions on Jimmy Kimmel in a desperate (and quite successful) attempt to manufacture a publicity stunt.

I don't think people would have been as inspired by him if his original message was all about closed primaries and the follies of the DNC.

The dude has spent too much time staring into the abyss and he broke down. He and his staff have been working their asses off for a year and they can't admit it's over. If he doesn't snap out of it soon he is going to do real, permanent damage to the issues that he has dedicated his life to.

Calling the activists pharma shills is the tip of the iceberg for where this could go. At this point, can you even envision what his concession speech would even look like?

 

[shinra-bansho]

I thought I changed to an idiom that made sense soon enough.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Good news people Wyoming Dems are already getting harassment and doxxing from Sanders extremists.

Some within the Wyoming Democratic Party are already criticizing the Sanders campaign ahead of Saturday’s state convention. Mary Hales, a Casper resident who is a Democratic National Committee member representing the state, said she has received “nasty calls and letters” from out-of-state Sanders supporters, the Associated Press reported.
Hales said she has not received any specific threats, but still felt threatened by the fervent Bernie Sanders supporters. Aimee Van Cleave, executive director of the Wyoming State Democratic Party, said she has also received threats, but cannot say for sure if Sanders supporters are responsible. But there were reports online that Sanders supporters had published personal contact information from some high-ranking Wyoming party officials, which was the catalyst for the threats.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3141464/wy...legedly-harass-officials/#kh7zUF3e0jpgItrF.99

 

[Chichikov]

I agree. As I said earlier, he's pulled the trigger slightly too early. I think the DNC committee issue is probably the last major battle. If he can get one more of his own, then he has veto power. I can't see what else he'd seriously push for. That's the issue we're seeing played out now.

The DNC committee is such a dumb fight though. That shit really doesn't matter all that much.
I have no idea why he even picked that fight. He's pissing a lot of people who are sympathetic to his causes for no good reason.

 

[Metaphoreus]

Heh:

 

[shinra-bansho]

I don't actually know where one finds a neutral senior Democrat to chair any of these committees that would be to the Sanders campaign anyway; setting aside that I don't even know what he wants to achieve with these committees. EDIT: I guess they could just get some random with no affiliation to the Party to chair its convention committees... :/

The Democratic nominee's agenda and platform isn't going to be set by the also ran, and it shouldn't be. And I don't really know what he wants to do with the Rules committee.

 

[Holmes]

Fuck, man, this shit pissed me off something hard. But, like Obama said, don't boo vote. So, I just decided to donate to Equitas Health which is an LGBT health organization that also focuses on HIV/AIDS treatment in Ohio. I'll wait another week for Quantum Break.

Good for you. I think there's a bit too much negativity going on here. Y'all should smoke the joint, drink an alcohol, play one of them vidya games, whatever you cool kids are into and just chill a bit.

 

[User 463088]

Good for you. I think there's a bit too much negativity going on here. Y'all should smoke the joint, drink an alcohol, play one of them vidya games, whatever you cool kids are into and just chill a bit.

I am not drinking another alcohol for hours after today. Lord, Jesus help me and sop me up. I don't get drunk easily, but 3 drinks at lunch and I was lush. Man alive. It was all th alcohol. Also, don't go to the grocery store drunk. I spent $400. Sad

But, ya, every time something legit pisses me off, I'ma just do something about it. So, they got $20. It ain't much, but, hey, $20 is $20.

 

[aspiegamer]

Hillary should have buried his ass months ago.

She DID. It clearly doesn't mean anything to him.

When Trump finally had the better of Cruz, for good, without any means to deny him, Cruz was wise and gave up. Sanders was put in that spot after Super Tuesday (and moreso after ST2) but just chose to stay in. Had Cruz stayed in he would have gotten a solid 40% of the vote based solely on "it's the guy that's not Trump," picked up some delegates and maybe won a few smaller states. But he was still dead in the water. And he knew it. And his campaign team knew it. So he dropped out. Sanders is the same role. He gets votes for being "the guy who isn't Clinton" the same way. He wins the smaller states still. Performs better in caucuses. He keeps grabbing delegates exclusively by means of them being proportional. Clinton would have locked this up ages ago if Democrats had the same rules as the GOP.

Never thought I'd say it, but right now at least I have more respect for Ted Cruz than Bernie Sanders. And I feel filthy saying that. Cruz also hasn't tried to completely blackmail the party in defeat and rig the convention, which is something we wouldn't have been particularly surprised by.

 

[Dominican Power]

Wayne Allyn Root(Trump supporter) is a fucking moron. He ruined the episode of Real Time.

 

[Slayven]

I go to bed early and Bernie sanders decided he wasn't imploding fast enough and decided to go full wacky? Somebody in here working roots? Hoodoo? or has the Sanders' campaign decide to dispel the notion they have common sense??

 

[mo60]

I have a feeling that President Obama will have to get involved in the race on the democratic side if bernie and hilary don't fix their differences by the 7th. The good thing is he's mostly hurting his campaign now and not Hilary's as much. I hope he wakes up on the 8th and decides to support hilary in some way to stop trump which he doesn't want to become president.

 

[User 463088]

I gotta admit, and I don't mean to be a shady lady here, that I feel....not happy, but vindicated, I guess, that other people are finally seeing in the Bernie campaign the things a lot of us have been talking about for a while.

Also, Vindicated by Dashboard Confessional is an awesome song. There. I said it. I mean, it's no Nickleback...but what is?

Spoiler

I don't like Nickleback

 

[Slayven]

And people wonder why folks that just registered for a party and started wanting to run shit are met with suspect

 

[veloxStrix]

I have never worn a tinfoil hat in my life, but I swear that Donald Trump is just running to pass the election to Hillary. The whole Bernie Sanders debate thing just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Slayven]

I have never worn a tinfoil hat in my life, but I swear that Donald Trump is just running to pass the election to Hillary. The whole Bernie Sanders debate thing just doesn't make any sense.

Donald finally realized he agreed to spend time with someone in second place aka a "loser"

 

[Dash_Riprock]

And people wonder why folks that just registered for a party and started wanting to run shit are met with suspect

I mean he was so chummy with the Clintons before the fallout came out of nowhere. I don't believe in conspiracies either but I'll laugh so hard if Trump says "Haha Gotcha Fuckers!" at his concession speech.

 

[Nomadic Sparks]

So why are Republicans convinced that Hillary will get indicted for her email server?

 

[Manmademan]

So why are Republicans convinced that Hillary will get indicted for her email server?

Republicans are convinced of a lot of things.

 

[Nomadic Sparks]

Republicans are convinced of a lot of things.

They try to kill the rational part of their brain with bath salts and/or cocaine.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

So why are Republicans convinced that Hillary will get indicted for her email server?

They were convinced they were winning in 2012 deeeep into election night.

 

[Y2Kev]

Real time was unwatchable. Bill and the Republican were awful. I thought Bernie was great and reminded me of why I liked him.

Anyway I had to turn it off 40 minutes in. Truly a new low.

 

[kadotsu]

Real Time was a good reminder on why libertarians are the worst. I also hate the new trend of study/number throwing without any analysis.

 

[ampere]

This reminds me that for most of 2012, I was planning to vote Jill Stein in the general election. It was a combination of things...I was sort of disappointed in Obama's first term (I was 20 in 2008 and I definitely remember thinking at the time like "omg awesome! Everything is going to be perfect from now on!" before reality sets in) but I also just thought it would be fun to vote 3rd party. And I figured Obama was a lock for re-election.

Then everyone freaked out after that first debate and I did end up voting for O in the end. But like, looking back, my thinking at the time was kinda cringey. Especially with how annoying Stein is being this year.

While I was never considering voting third party, I was pretty frustrated in 2012 too. My stance at the time was a "reluctant vote for Obama", because I thought Romney and Ryan had absurd budgets and poor policy. I did overestimate what Obama could do in 2008, I was all "wooo no more wars! everything will be perfect!" then I did the Obama dance

Also I unfairly expected Obama to do a bunch of stuff he didn't even promise! Like revoke the Patriot act. Idk how I got that into my head lol

Sigh why do I bother trying to talk with Bernie supporters? I just showed evidence against their argument but their rebuttal was "shut the fuck up" and rolled their eyes at me. Shillary indeed.

Give em a few months when the reality of a Trump presidency is staring at them, most of them will come around.

 

[Y2Kev]

Real Time was a good reminder on why libertarians are the worst. I also hate the new trend of study/number throwing without any analysis.

Since 2007, there have been 1 million new jobs created for women ALL TAKEN BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS according to Obama.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

the majority of Sanders supporters will support Clinton and already will admit they'll support Clinton; you can see that from polling. Only a minority need to be persuaded, and I'd bet the majority of them will switch following Sanders' concession speech and subsequent Clinton-stumping, which he will do because he is far more opposed to Trump than Clinton. Your Facebook wall is not a representative sample of Sanders supporters and Diablosing in this thread is unbearable. Just wait until the convention, the world is not going to implode between now and then.

(As a side note, what happened Diablos?)

 

[Y2Kev]

He grew up and his personality transferred to 90% of the nutties that post in here.

the majority of Sanders supporters will support Clinton and already will admit they'll support Clinton; you can see that from polling. Only a minority need to be persuaded, and I'd bet the majority of them will switch following Sanders' concession speech and subsequent Clinton-stumping, which he will do because he is far more opposed to Trump than Clinton. Your Facebook wall is not a representative sample of Sanders supporters and Diablosing in this thread is unbearable. Just wait until the convention, the world is not going to implode between now and then.

(As a side note, what happened Diablos?)

I think "going to the convention" when you've flat out last badly is pretty annoying. I hope they work something out behind the scenes quickly after June 7 where that does not happen.

 

[RustyNails]

Wait people still watch Bill Maher? Disappointed @ poligaf.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Wait people still watch Bill Maher? Disappointed @ poligaf.

What's wrong with watching something?

I turn on fox news once in a while to see what they are going to bitch about today