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PoliGAF 2016 |OT6| Delete your accounts

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shinra-bansho

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Pretending that the state of the technology we have is somehow the production of state-run blue skies research in isolation is nonsensical. Pretending that research when public is somehow devoid of vested interest is folly.
 
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Cerium

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FiggyCal said:
As far as I can tell. This has been more civil than that. Sanders supporters are very willing to support Hillary Clinton for the presidency, apparently more willing that Hillary Clinton supporters were of Obama.

Edit: I mean: is the whole "abuelita" "queen" stuff not supposed to be cultish?
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There may have been more personal acrimony between the candidates in 2008. In fact I think there definitely was. It was a very personal contest.

The difference is that in 2008 both candidates were concerned about winning the general election, both candidates were concerned about the good of the party. That put certain limits on what they would do or say or target. Neither of them railed against the Democratic party itself, neither alleged corruption or chicanery. When Hillary lost she did not claim the election was stolen from her. Her concession speech was gracious and unifying.

Bernie has no such concern or restraint.
 
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excelsiorlef

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God Lemon is making Roberta Lange listen to the phone threats live on TV...

Jesus....


I can't believe Sanders couldn't take one moment to even acknowledge her directly. Pathetic.

This woman's life is being destroyed and Sanders spins it as if he's the one being oppressed.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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B-Dubs said:
Holy shit, that take is molten. How have I never encountered this brand of crazy before?
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“Nothing... better defines the decadence of the West to the jihadists than our toleration of open homosexuality and this transgender mania now,” Paglia said during an October 22 interview on the Brazilian television program Roda Viva.

Paglia also said during the interview that “transgender propagandists” are overstating their case.

“I think that the transgender propagandists make wildly inflated claims about the multiplicity of gender,” she said.

“Sex reassignment surgery, even today with all of its advances, cannot in fact change anyone’s sex, okay. You can define yourself as a trans man, or a trans woman, as one of these new gradations along the scale. But ultimately, every single cell in the human body, the DNA in that cell, remains coded for your biological birth.

“So there are a lot of lies being propagated at the present moment, which I think is not in anyone’s best interest.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...a-transgender-mania-symptom-cultural-collapse

She's got some fucking nuclear takes.
 
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FiggyCal

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Cerium said:
There may have been more personal acrimony between the candidates in 2008. In fact I think there definitely was.

The difference is that in 2008 both candidates were concerned about winning the general election, both candidates were concerned about the good of the party. That put certain limits on what they would do or say or target. Neither of them railed against the Democratic party itself.

Bernie has no such concern or restraint.
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Bernie Sanders isn't a democrat though. He's not even a liberal or a capitalist. We might expect him to support Hillary down the line because he doesn't want Trump to be president, but it's not surprising to me that he's against the current system. I'm not sure if people were caught off guard by it or what. But either way, the fact that so many Bernie Supporters are willing to support Hillary means that this is a non-issue. Doesn't it?
 
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excelsiorlef said:
God Lemon is making Roberta Lange listen to the phone threats live on TV...

Jesus....


I can't believe Sanders couldn't take one moment to even acknowledge her directly. Pathetic.

This woman's life is being destroyed and Sanders spins it as if he's the one being oppressed.
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I seriously hope she's doing okay.
 
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Brinbe

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Holy fuck. Even his media surrogates are insane. What people have said about looney left turned out to be true after all. So disappointed right now.
 
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excelsiorlef

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Lange played that perfectly.

Lemon asks a dipshit question about who she is supporting and she says she's unpledged.

LOL Press violence is bad but Nevada was fraud.... here we go.

Sellers is amazing.



Holy shit CNN panelists are all doubling down on violence is bad but there's fraud so it's their fault. Except Sellers and Amanda Carpenter. Brutal....
 
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Cerium

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FiggyCal said:
Bernie Sanders isn't a democrat though. He's not even a liberal or a capitalist. We might expect him to support Hillary down the line because he doesn't want Trump to be president, but it's not surprising to me that he's against the current system. I'm not sure if people were caught off guard by it or what. But either way, the fact that so many Bernie Supporters are willing to support Hillary means that this is a non-issue. Doesn't it?
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No it doesn't excuse this kind of shit:
excelsiorlef said:
God Lemon is making Roberta Lange listen to the phone threats live on TV...

Jesus....


I can't believe Sanders couldn't take one moment to even acknowledge her directly. Pathetic.

This woman's life is being destroyed and Sanders spins it as if he's the one being oppressed.
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Obama would have been FURIOUS if any of his supporters were involved in anything like this and he would've let the world know about it. God I miss Obama already. He is too good for America, we don't deserve him.
 
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kess

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Benchmark Politics released their estimates for New Jersey

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excelsiorlef

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LOL Sanders is blaming Democrats for Trump's popularity....

He and Jon Stewart would get along.


The Democrats despite being the party of minorities and a lot of women, are not the party of the people anymore according to Bill Press. Sellers (I believe) just told him he sounds like Trump, to which all Press could say is I sound like Sanders (not even Press could really distance himself from that connection between the rhetoric of the two on that front, Sanders focuses on the heart of the party being working class whites, Trump does the same...)

It's fascinating that no one really wants to admit that Trump's success comes from the fact that racism and sexism is still you know a thing.

Question for PoliGaf: Where did they get Bill Press from? This guy is awful

Trump supporter here is straight up Fox News Generic Conservative Woman #576 lol
 
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Box of Kittens

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As this primary has gone on, I think the 2008 comparisons have been less useful when talking about acrimony just because the nature was so different. 2008 was Clinton v. Obama, while 2016 is more Sanders v. the Democratic Party.
 
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Aaron Strife

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excelsiorlef said:
LOL Sanders is blaming Democrats for Trump's popularity....

He and Jon Stewart would get along.


The Democrats despite being the party of minorities and a lot of women, are not the party of the people anymore according to Bill Press. Sellers (I believe) just told him he sounds like Trump, to which all Press could say is I sound like Sanders (not even Press could really distance himself from that connection between the rhetoric of the two on that front, Sanders focuses on the heart of the party being working class whites, Trump does the same...)

It's fascinating that no one really wants to admit that Trump's success comes from the fact that racism and sexism is still you know a thing.
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People just don't want to accept that white people as a political demographic are not powerful enough to determine presidential elections anymore because it changes the script significantly. They'll just have to settle for everything else.

There was a ton of hand-wringing about Obama's win in 2012 about how his coalition didn't reflect "real America." See Dick Morris, Bill O'Reilly, probably many others. Well guess what dickweeds, your "real America" is the minority.
 
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User 463088

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Ya'll blowin' this thang up.

But, yasss Queen. Etc.

Bernie needs to go away. Him smiling when they chanted Bernie or Bust tonight was just gross.
 
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excelsiorlef

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Aaron Strife said:
People just don't want to accept that white people as a political demographic are not powerful enough to determine presidential elections anymore because it changes the script significantly. They'll just have to settle for everything else.

There was a ton of hand-wringing about Obama's win in 2012 about how his coalition didn't reflect "real America." See Dick Morris, Bill O'Reilly, probably many others. Well guess what dickweeds, your "real America" is the minority.
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I expect that from the GOP, that rhetoric shouldn't come from Sanders and his people.
 
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JP_

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It's like some of you actually believe Bernie won't endorse Clinton. Some of you have convinced yourselves Bernie is evil incarnate and it's just weird.
 
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User 463088

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Box of Kittens said:
Prior to today my view was that he should stay in and just tone down the attacks. At this point I want him to drop out, but I don't think he's going to.
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Oh, he's definitely not dropping out. Naw. That would require.....Never mind. He's just not going to do it.

92 delegates is all she needs. Just 92 delegates and this is over and Bernie can fly on back to Vermont and....knit? I don't know what he does in his spare time. But he can do that.
 
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Bowdz

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JP_ said:
It's like some of you actually believe Bernie won't endorse Clinton. Some of you have convinced yourselves Bernie is evil incarnate and it's just weird.
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Oh, I'm confident he'll endorse Clinton. I'm concerned that his rhetoric about the entire Democratic party being corrupt is going to be MUCH harder to walk back for a lot of the left leaning independents who have been flocking to him. He talks about bringing millions of new voters into the party, but has failed to do anything to tie them to the party beyond making them loathe it.
 
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kess said:
Josh Marshall goes in on Sanders
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I'm not sure why anyone ever doubted this. If Sanders didn't approve of and condone the kind of rhetoric Weaver and his other campaign officials were using, they'd be fired. Sanders surrounded himself with these people because that's who he is.

From that cited article ("The Trouble with Bernie"), which I don't think I'd seen back in the fall.
I followed him carefully when I was editor of the Burlington Free Press in Vermont. Sanders was the state's sole congressman, lived in Burlington, and would periodically visit with the newspaper's editors and publisher.

Considering that the Free Press' editorial positions were very liberal, reflecting the nature of a very liberal Vermont community, one might think that meetings with Sanders were cordial, even celebratory.

They weren't. Sanders was always full of himself: pious, self-righteous and utterly humorless. Burdened by the cross of his socialist crusade, he was a scold whose counter-culture moralizing appealed to the state's liberal sensibilities as well as its conservatives, who embraced his gun ownership stance, his defense of individual rights, an antipathy toward big corporations and, generally speaking, his stick-it-to-them approach to politics.

My most memorable encounter with Sanders was during an editorial board session during a period when the Vermont Progressive Party was reconstituting itself to challenge for more seats on the Burlington City Council.

Sanders had been mayor of Burlington from 1981 until 1989, institutionalizing progressive government in the city and other Vermont enclaves. Although he has been in Washington since his election to the House of Representatives in 1991, he remained the titular head of the movement, yet refused to endorse a progressive slate seeking City Council seats or the new leadership orchestrating the campaigns.

After discussing his favorite issues — corporations, government reform, health care and the like, I asked about his unwillingness to endorse his fellow progressives. He said it wasn't his role. I suggested voters might expect him to weigh in. He disagreed, clearly annoyed at the persistent questioning. Finally I suggested that he had a larger moral responsibility to the progressive movement.

At which point he jumped out of his seat, told me to go f*** myself and stormed out of the edit board meeting. OK, maybe my persistence bordered on hectoring. But I felt he ought to provide an honest answer. My suspicion was that he resented others for assuming his mantle of progressive leadership and wouldn't acknowledge them.
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Among those he cited was Steve Rosenfeld, Sanders' press secretary during his 1990 House campaign, and author of “In Making History in Vermont.”

"At his best, Sanders is a skilled reader and manipulator of people and events," Rosenfeld wrote in his account of the campaign. "At his worst, he falls prey to his own emotions, is unable to practice what he preaches (though he would believe otherwise) and exudes a contempt for those he derides, including his staff."
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Also a good example of his utter disdain for supporting campaigns other than his own.
 
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JP_ said:
It's like some of you actually believe Bernie won't endorse Clinton. Some of you have convinced yourselves Bernie is evil incarnate and it's just weird.
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Oh, I have no doubt he'll endorse Clinton, but he's certainly doing his best to sink the ship so that he can endorse and abandon ship just before it goes under.
 
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eBay Huckster said:
i've convinced myself that this fucking primary shouldn't have taken four months to officially end
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It didn't, the primary was lost ages ago for the Sanders crew, he just refused to let it go.


I've said for a while he's going to pay lip service to the DNC, say Trump must not win without making a direct endorsement of Hillary then disappear. The man is literally just going to fade away to Vermont, not go 100 and ride hard with Hillary like she flipped for Obama. He'd get thrown to the wolves by his own fringe by becoming the establishment.
 
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excelsiorlef

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JP_ said:
It's like some of you actually believe Bernie won't endorse Clinton. Some of you have convinced yourselves Bernie is evil incarnate and it's just weird.
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I'm not convinced he will do enough for her, not after today.

Sorry man, Sanders has done nothing to hint that he's going to work hard at all towards helping Clinton. He's campaigning as much against the Democratic Party as he is Clinton.

Will he endorse her, yeah probably I guess, will it be strong? Nah. Is there a chance he doesn't? After today yeah I think there's a possibility.
 
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I hate this narrative that Sanders and his supporters are pushing that he represents "working class" voters, and somehow the Democratic Party doesn't.

So those black and latino voters who have supported Hillary Clinton in overwhelming numbers, who are we?

Truth be told there's a word missing from that phrase "working class." And we all know what that word is.
 
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royalan said:
I hate this narrative that Sanders and his supporters are pushing that he represents "working class" voters, and somehow the Democratic Party doesn't.

So those black and latino voters who have supported Hillary Clinton in overwhelming numbers, who are we?

Truth be told there's a word missing from that phrase "working class." And we all know what that word is.
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Bernie has already stated the real core of the democratic party should be white working class people.
 
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excelsiorlef

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Oh god lol

That Megyn Kelly/Donald Trump interview was hardcore political theatre. That was fucking hilarious. It's fun seeing some people talking about it being actually a humble Trump.
 
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studyguy

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CNN pundit really out here suggesting that Clinton needs to run nothing but jokes to dominate trump. Literally hire top comedy writers to beat him. Why am I watching this.
 
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JP_

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Armaros said:
Bernie has already stated the real core of the democratic party should be white working class people.
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Source?

I've seen him talk about how the dems have lost that demo but never saw him suggest that demo should be the core or given priority over non-whites.
 
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Aaron Strife said:
People just don't want to accept that white people as a political demographic are not powerful enough to determine presidential elections anymore because it changes the script significantly. They'll just have to settle for everything else.

There was a ton of hand-wringing about Obama's win in 2012 about how his coalition didn't reflect "real America." See Dick Morris, Bill O'Reilly, probably many others. Well guess what dickweeds, your "real America" is the minority.
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Yep. Those days are over. Even Reagan would lose today against Carter if his numbers with each demographic then were the same today. The trends simply require a coalition. The white way is gone.

royalan said:
I hate this narrative that Sanders and his supporters are pushing that he represents "working class" voters, and somehow the Democratic Party doesn't.

So those black and latino voters who have supported Hillary Clinton in overwhelming numbers, who are we?

Truth be told there's a word missing from that phrase "working class." And we all know what that word is.
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Preach. It's a dog-whistle if I've ever seen one.

Edit: Shit, r/S4P is onto us! I've now seen a post that specifically talks about this thread plotting to take down their subreddit. Soooo
 
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User 463088

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Not only did Bernie fail to meet his insanely impossible revised targets, he didn't even meet his initial 538 targets in either state tonight. He also missed his original Cook targets.

Looks like Queen will get +1 from Kentucky. Bernie will get +5 from Oregon. Means that he'll cut her lead by 4 while 116 delegates have come off the table. It's actually worse, because he lost a Superdelegate today, so he comes out of today probably around +3.

I'm legit shocked by the result in Oregon. People love to talk about Hillary having an independent problem, but the bigger problem was Bernie's democrat problem in a democratic primary.
 
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Dan

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The eventual endorsement that Bernie Sanders gives to Hillary Clinton will be as tepid and backhanded as his condemnation of what transpired at the Nevada convention.
 
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studyguy

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Yeah man, all what... 10 of us are going to take down a subreddit of what are they a couple hundred thousand strong? I'm gonna need a bigger check from correct the record for this job.
 
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