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[RustyNails]

So I just wanted to take a peek in r/s4p to see how my socialist brethren are holding up, and as I scrolled halfway down the page a video by project veritas about Hillary campaign FRAUD was being upvoted.

Noped outta there.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

I'm not anti-capitalist but I mean... NASA was going into space half a century ago. There's a place for socialism and there's a place for capitalism. America has always been mixed and it works.

I was actually just going to make this post.

SpaceX is best understood as a response to our government's abdication of its responsibility to engage in low-return research that would be to the collective good.

Actually this is true of a whole lot of extremely successful tech companies -- they're filling a lot of infrastructural roles that should probably be government responsibilities if we had a working government.

NASA was doing it for much more than SpaceX is now, and when you work in the government, there's more incentive to keep those costs (and therefore redundancies) around. Cutting costs means losing budget next year. No one in the government is okay with that (and I say this as someone who's done engineering for the government!).

Even if Elon Musk is some kind of perfect benefactor, Americans shouldn't have to rely on the elite being good people. Because these kinds of businessmen are not elected and have no obligation to help others others than morality, giving them power is an enormous risk.

I think that private innovation is only useful when public innovation isn't an option. If properly democratized, a public alternative is just as efficient as the private sector and much less of a gamble.

I'm just not seeing this at all. Public incentives for private individuals (a great merger of free-market reward with regulated risk) works best. Strong programs in understaffed fields are the way to go on the government front, and good programs for those employees afterwards. Talent should go to where it can be put to use efficiently, not rot away in case a budget gets slashed.

 

[Valhelm]

LOL Blitzer just called the 6% win in the demographically advantageous Oregon an impressive win for Sanders.

This could be his biggest failure, in terms of expectations. Oregon should have gone to Bernie by New Hampshire margins.

I'm just not seeing this at all. Public incentives for private individuals (a great merger of free-market reward with regulated risk) works best. Strong programs in understaffed fields are the way to go on the government front, and good programs for those employees afterwards. Talent should go to where it can be put to use efficiently, not rot away in case a budget gets slashed.

It's simply an issue of competing interests. Government support is a great way to limit the danger of the free market, but giving power directly to the democratic bodies allows for all the accountability and efficiency of the private sector without the potential risk of greed.

 

[Wilsongt]

So I just wanted to take a peek in r/s4p to see how my socialist brethren are holding up, and as I scrolled halfway down the page a video by project veritas about Hillary campaign FRAUD was being upvoted.

Noped outta there.

They also overwhelming support what Sanders said today in that shit statement. Don't take it personally.

 

[B-Dubs]

So I just wanted to take a peek in r/s4p to see how my socialist brethren are holding up, and as I scrolled halfway down the page a video by project veritas about Hillary campaign FRAUD was being upvoted.

Noped outta there.

Are you fucking kidding me? O'Keeffe isn't in jail? He fucking tried to wiretap a Senator's phone, you'd think that would be good for a couple of years in the pokey.

 

[JP_]

NASA was doing it for much more than SpaceX is now

Right... because now it's 2016 and we have half a century of research and experience that helped lower costs... thanks to NASA. It's not like the private sector didn't have a chance to beat government to the punch with space exploration and the creation of the internet, but it didn't.

edit: and to reiterate just in case someone takes it out of context...

There's a place for socialism and there's a place for capitalism. America has always been mixed and it works.

 

[HUELEN10]

Sanders won Oregon, woot!

 

[Captain Pants]

Yes. That is his name.

This is his website: http://prolifeidaho.com/

Constitution Party, everybody.

I drive by a handwritten sign for this guy on my way to work that says:

"men died for your right to vote.

Pro Life Idaho"

 

[Suikoguy]

It is nice to have the primary unequivocally over tonight though. I did not expect Sanders to get less than 60% (actually around 53) of the vote in Oregon.

That very slim chance is now no chance.

 

[Emarv]

LOL Blitzer just called the 6% win in the demographically advantageous Oregon an impressive win for Sanders.

Wolf has a very limited vocabulary. He hasn't been updated with his new thesaurus software yet.

 

[VendettaRed07]

0$

Which was a mistake.

 

[Suikoguy]

Which was a mistake.

No it was not. Oregon is super Blue, no real reason to do anything other than a short campaign stop there.

The very slim margin of Sanders win compared to what Sanders needed in Oregon made his chances mathematically and demographically impossible.

 

[gcubed]

Wolf has a very limited vocabulary. He hasn't been updated with his new thesaurus software yet.

Yea, not something anyone should get worked up over, I can hear the inflection and words in his head because it's all he knows how to say

 

[royalan]

Wow.

After tonight, I think it's fairly safe to say that Bernie Sanders is leading what very well could become the tea party of the left. And the time to consider a statement like that hyperbolic has passed.

I don't know what should be done, obviously. But I'm definitely a bit nervous about this continuing to the convention unchecked. Bernie has made it quite clear that he has no intentions of reeling it in and playing nice if he doesn't get his way, and who knows what that entails these days other than the nomination.

This convention is going to be messy as fuck.

 

[excelsiorlef]

CNN dropping hot truth about Sanders rhetoric pushing away supers heh.

 

[Bowdz]

NASA was doing it for much more than SpaceX is now, and when you work in the government, there's more incentive to keep those costs (and therefore redundancies) around. Cutting costs means losing budget next year. No one in the government is okay with that (and I say this as someone who's done engineering for the government!).



I'm just not seeing this at all. Public incentives for private individuals (a great merger of free-market reward with regulated risk) works best. Strong programs in understaffed fields are the way to go on the government front, and good programs for those employees afterwards. Talent should go to where it can be put to use efficiently, not rot away in case a budget gets slashed.

Strong this.

I think the best option going forward is one in which the government agencies conduct highly risky basic research which would be to cost prohibitive or not profitable for private industry (fusion, nuclear propulsion, medical research for rare disorders, energy storage, etc.) and then either open source them or allow private corporations to enter into public private partnerships with them (similar to the way things work now, but more akin to the way NACA worked).

The government is great at taking risks and funding projects that have no immediate economic benefit while a decently regulated private industry is great at cutting costs and improving efficiency. When they work together in harmony, we make progress faster than any other method.

 

[jack_package_200]

People in OT linking to the TYT unironically

Fam I can't.

 

[Officerrob]

You guys ain't seen nothing yet, just wait until you hear the cries of fuckery and fraud after Cali

 

[Jack Remington]

Yes holders aren't capitulating in the MOV > 10 market, and I'm getting a little freaked out. They're convinced that boxes and boxes of same-day ballots will put Bernie 10 points ahead.

 

[jack_package_200]

CNN dropping hot truth about Sanders rhetoric pushing away supers heh.

CNN has evidence that Sanders campaign planned, encouraged the disruption at the Nevada convention

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/democrat-bernie-sanders-revolt/index.html

new audio obtained by CNN shows a senior Sanders aide -- on the eve of the Nevada convention -- encouraging the senator's supporters try to "take over" the convention, change party rules and continue the "revolution" that Sanders has long campaigned on. "You should not leave," Joan Kato, the national delegates director, told Sanders supporters in a meeting last week at the Rumor Boutique Hotel. "I'm going to repeat that, unless you are told by someone from the campaign ... that you can leave, you should not leave."

The Sanders campaign hasn't responded to a request for comment.

 

[Officerrob]

Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 32s33 seconds ago
By popular demand, PRELIMINARY benchmark for California: Clinton 56% - Sanders 44%. #CAPrimary

 

[Emarv]

Yea, not something anyone should get worked up over, I can hear the inflection and words in his head because it's all he knows how to say

my CNN online stream kept stuttering and I didn't know if it was my connection or Wolf at times.

"Key Race Alert: CNN projects Bernie Sanders wins Oregon. Bernie Sander is the winner in Oregon. The winner in Oregon is Senator Bernie Sanders."

Thanks, Wolf. I got it.

 

[gutter_trash]

Wolf has a very limited vocabulary. He hasn't been updated with his new thesaurus software yet.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Yes holders aren't capitulating in the MOV > 10 market, and I'm getting a little freaked out. They're convinced that boxes and boxes of same-day ballots will put Bernie 10 points ahead.

I just want to cash out right now but these idiots won't let me. I lost $300 today. Can't I just get a break?

 

[PBY]

How did we get here that the GOP isn't the one sweating a convention

 

[VendettaRed07]

No it was not. Oregon is super Blue, no real reason to do anything other than a short campaign stop there.

The very slim margin of Sanders win compared to what Sanders needed in Oregon made his chances mathematically and demographically impossible.

She could have won the state if she had invested. I think the small margin with the lack of any resources is proof of that. I realize the wins don't matter at this point, its the margins, and that it really was a "win" for her. But it would be best to go into California with as many "wins" as possible.

Sanders is going to keep this going to the bitter end. She should be responding to it a bit more than she is, imo.

 

[Bowdz]

Wow.

After tonight, I think it's fairly safe to say that Bernie Sanders is leading what very well could become the tea party of the left. And the time to consider a statement like that hyperbolic has passed.

I don't know what should be done, obviously. But I'm definitely a bit nervous about this continuing to the convention unchecked. Bernie has made it quite clear that he has no intentions of reeling it in and playing nice if he doesn't get his way, and who knows what that entails these days other than the nomination.

This convention is going to be messy as fuck.

I don't really give a shit at this point. Clinton shouldn't give him anything. As per the current polls, she can win the general even if the die hard Sanders supporters don't come home. The Democratic party shouldn't get into the habit of negotiating with the far left fringe of the party lest they want a full tea party.

 

[excelsiorlef]

How did we get here that the GOP isn't the one sweating a convention

Sanders likes the sound of his own voice and conservatives are good at putting differences aside in the interest of oppressing minorities and women.

 

[NihonTiger90]

How did we get here that the GOP isn't the one sweating a convention

Democrats fall in love; Republicans fall in line.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

How did we get here that the GOP isn't the one sweating a convention

How Republicans Learned to Stop Worrying and Love White Nationalism.

 

[Suikoguy]

Benchmark prelim for CA is 56/44 Hillary.

Sanders only has to make up 26+ points (Depending on how badly he loses NJ) in the next several weeks. AKA not going to happen.

 

[pigeon]

Incidentally, my fear that Bernie will choke on a chicken bone before the convention and doom America forever is only getting worse.

 

[HUELEN10]

Wow.

After tonight, I think it's fairly safe to say that Bernie Sanders is leading what very well could become the tea party of the left. And the time to consider a statement like that hyperbolic has passed.

I don't know what should be done, obviously. But I'm definitely a bit nervous about this continuing to the convention unchecked. Bernie has made it quite clear that he has no intentions of reeling it in and playing nice if he doesn't get his way, and who knows what that entails these days other than the nomination.

This convention is going to be messy as fuck.

If there is a segment that (will hopefully be known ass the green tea party) splits off, it will be purely by the will of the people, as was the tea party movement.

I would never be a democrat, but a green tea democrat isn't a hard no from me.

A split will happen one day though, it happened in the GOP, it can happen here.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

HUELEN10, did you like my thread? It was all in good fun.

 

[HUELEN10]

HUELEN10, did you like my thread? It was all in good fun.

I posted a rebuttal on page 1.

 

[PBY]

So... I wasn't around in 08... Has this primary finally out-nastied that one?

 

[Kusagari]

I am literally seeing people saying Grimes rigged Kentucky for Hillary because Hillary supported her against Mitch fucking McConnell.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!

 

[Suikoguy]

HUELEN10, did you like my thread? It was all in good fun.

He must have since he made that awesome first page reply.
HUELEN10 is an enigma but I can't really get mad at him, hehe.

So... I wasn't around in 08... Has this primary finally out-nastied that one?

Yeah, but in a different way.

 

[royalan]

So... I wasn't around in 08... Has this primary finally out-nastied that one?

Frankly, this primary out-nastied 08 in New York.

 

[VendettaRed07]

So... I wasn't around in 08... Has this primary finally out-nastied that one?

Almost, but no.

 

[excelsiorlef]

LOl love this

Clinton guy has calm rational explanation, talks about Nevada threats and the Sanders campaign failure to properly talk about it.

Sanders guy retorts with Sanders is sticking in, deal with it dude and Clinton needs to relax dude.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Paul Begala, the dopey @CNN flunky and head of the Pro-Hillary Clinton Super PAC, has knowingly committed fraud in his first ad against me.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/732788306237345794

Trump is really like a Bernie supporter in that he doesn't know what the word "fraud" means.

 

[JP_]

CNN has evidence that Sanders campaign planned, encouraged the disruption at the Nevada convention

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/democrat-bernie-sanders-revolt/index.html

new audio obtained by CNN shows a senior Sanders aide -- on the eve of the Nevada convention -- encouraging the senator's supporters try to "take over" the convention, change party rules and continue the "revolution" that Sanders has long campaigned on. "You should not leave," Joan Kato, the national delegates director, told Sanders supporters in a meeting last week at the Rumor Boutique Hotel. "I'm going to repeat that, unless you are told by someone from the campaign ... that you can leave, you should not leave."

The Sanders campaign hasn't responded to a request for comment.

Is the full audio somewhere?

I ask because CNN says

"new audio obtained by CNN shows a senior Sanders aide -- on the eve of the Nevada convention -- encouraging the senator's supporters try to "take over" the convention, change party rules and continue the "revolution" that Sanders has long campaigned on."

But their youtube source doesn't actually confirm when the audio was recorded and she doesn't say "take over" or anything about changing the rules or the "revolution."

 

[Bowdz]

So... I wasn't around in 08... Has this primary finally out-nastied that one?

The fact that Bernie is trying to delegitimize the Democratic party as a whole means this is far worse than 2008.

 

[Ophelion]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/732788306237345794

Trump is really like a Bernie supporter in that he doesn't know what the word "fraud" means.

Probably hoping most other people don't either.

 

[JP_]

So... I wasn't around in 08... Has this primary finally out-nastied that one?

Not really

 

[shinra-bansho]

I think that private innovation is only useful when public innovation isn't an option. If properly democratized, a public alternative is just as efficient as the private sector and much less of a gamble.

Ummmm. No thanks.

 

[Bowdz]

Damn, this shit is exploding on CNN.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

How did you guys blow this thread up to 15 pages all in a few hours?

 

[excelsiorlef]

Damn, this shit is exploding on CNN.

Deal with it dude, fuck that was an embarrassing thing to watch