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[Cerium]

So... I wasn't around in 08... Has this primary finally out-nastied that one?

Hillary said some awful shit in '08 but she never supported violence and harassment against Obama or his supporters.

I mean it took me a while to forgive her for the Bobby Kennedy comments but I eventually came around and accepted that she didn't mean it that way. And there was never anything like what we saw in Vegas this time.

So yeah Bernie has crossed some lines that neither candidate did in '08.

 

[User1608]

Bernie has nobody to blame but himself for not putting out this fire or at least condemning the actions of his more rabid and insane supporters. Unless he does something ASAP his reputation will go even further into the dirt.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Holmes can now update his list for the May states.

Looks like all of the states swung away from Hillary except for OR which she did better than in 08

 

[BanGy.nz]

Damn, this shit is exploding on CNN.

What happened?

 

[watershed]

So... I wasn't around in 08... Has this primary finally out-nastied that one?

Imo, not at all. It was an ugly fight. And the stakes were higher because both candidates had a legit shot at the nomination until the very end especially because 2 (I think) states moved their primaries up and that had to be settled right before the convention. In this case, Bernie has no shot so Hillary hasn't been attacking him the way she did Obama in 08.

 

[royalan]

The fact that Bernie is trying to delegitimize the Democratic party as a whole means this is far worse than 2008.

Yep.

As competitive as it got between Hillary and Barack, neither ran a burn-it-all-down campaign or held their support hostage.

 

[Cerium]

Yep.

As competitive as it got between Hillary and Barack, neither ran a burn-it-all-down campaign or held their support hostage.

Part of the difference, I think, was that Obama was just such a good guy that everyone felt somewhat protective of him. It limited what Hillary could get away with. Hillary doesn't get that kind of sympathy from the mainstream.

And Bernie has done things and gone places that Obama would NEVER have allowed on his watch.

 

[HylianTom]

I kinda want Warren to say something. But she'll be characterized as an establishment shill in response, so she'll likely remain in General Election mode, tacitly admitting that this primary process is over.

 

[excelsiorlef]

holy fuck Don Lemon just said he thought Sanders sounded like Trump tonight..... shiiiit, when Don Lemon drops hot fire, you're fucked.


CNN is roasting Sanders except for Old Guy Sanders supporter who talks like a surfer

Holy shit Sanders is getting people to boo the mere mention of the Democratic party.

 

[The Technomancer]

What happened?

I'm also curious what's up on CNN

 

[User1608]

I never thought the man who was once my favorite politician would drop this low. Fucking sucks.

 

[Bowdz]

What happened?

Sellers (young AA Clinton supporter) was explaining why he thought Bernie was past the point of helping the Democratic party and Bill Press (old Sanders supporter) said "...he's not getting out so deal with it, dude". Sellers got pissed and they went back and forth like crazy.

 

[metalslimer]

The 08 primary felt more personal which I think made it feel a lot nastier than this one. This one feels like Bernie just railing against everyone who isn't on his side whether it be Hilary or the party in general.

 

[VendettaRed07]

The fact that Bernie is trying to delegitimize the Democratic party as a whole means this is far worse than 2008.

Well I mean, 08 was basically Hillary saying "Oh really, you want the Black guy? oh well have fun with four more years of Republicans ruining this country and all of your lives then I guess ¯\_(&#12484_/¯ " and Obama saying " Hillary is nice and all, but no one should trust her and she wouldn't have accomplished anything or gotten anywhere without her husband,"

Bit nastier than vague conspiracy theories and party shade imo

 

[B-Dubs]

holy fuck Don Lemon just said he thought Sanders sounded like Trump tonight..... shiiiit, when Don Lemon drops hot fire, you're fucked.

 

[eBay Huckster]

How did you guys blow this thread up to 15 pages all in a few hours?

well, everyone angryposting tends to make the thread move as fast as the discord

 

[excelsiorlef]

Sellers (young AA Clinton supporter) was explaining why he thought Bernie was past the point of helping the Democratic party and Bill Press (old Sanders supporter) said "...he's not getting out so deal with it, dude". Sellers got pissed and they went back and forth like crazy.

Press is embarrassing.


Btw good news guys the Trump supporter woman is coming in support of the narrative that Sanders was the real victim in Nevada, and that the media is just hyping the violence while ignoring the real issue of fraud.

 

[Tranqueris]

Every time Benchmark tweets that Tyler oregon prediction I die of laughter

Bernie only netting 9 delegates tonight is hilarious

Unfortunately at this point any talk of delegate math is probably going to fall on deaf ears because of "California, 475 delegates."

 

[FiggyCal]

I thought the birther movement started with Hillary Clinton supporters. I could be wrong though; it's something I read a while ago. That sounds particularly nasty.

 

[Paskil]

What the hell is going on now. This CNN panel tho.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Unfortunately at this point any talk of delegate math is probably going to fall on deaf ears because of "California, 475 delegates."

Bill Press actually claimed that the 6% win in Oregon boded well for Sanders in California.... seriously, he said that.

 

[User 85168]

Some early stuff

Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 24s25 seconds ago
New Mexico - Clinton 57% - Sanders 43%. VERY high Hispanic population.

Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 1m1 minute ago
New Jersey - We haven't seem demographics like this since Maryland. Blowout. Clinton 64% - Sanders 36%.

If she meets these margins, it'd officially be over, I think.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

It is nice to have the primary unequivocally over tonight though. I did not expect Sanders to get less than 60% (actually around 53) of the vote in Oregon.

That very slim chance is now no chance.

She could have won the state if she had invested. I think the small margin with the lack of any resources is proof of that. I realize the wins don't matter at this point, its the margins, and that it really was a "win" for her. But it would be best to go into California with as many "wins" as possible.

Sanders is going to keep this going to the bitter end. She should be responding to it a bit more than she is, imo.

http://DemRace.com/?share=GF7A123w

I made another one. If Hillary takes CA by 8, she ends the contest immediately by default.

Strong this.

I think the best option going forward is one in which the government agencies conduct highly risky basic research which would be to cost prohibitive or not profitable for private industry (fusion, nuclear propulsion, medical research for rare disorders, energy storage, etc.) and then either open source them or allow private corporations to enter into public private partnerships with them (similar to the way things work now, but more akin to the way NACA worked).

The government is great at taking risks and funding projects that have no immediate economic benefit while a decently regulated private industry is great at cutting costs and improving efficiency. When they work together in harmony, we make progress faster than any other method.

Which is always what I was arguing. Like I said before, you need government structures in some areas that are cost-prohibitive, but the idea that government (or an equivalent, which is what collectivism looks like) works well is silly. The government is honestly a lot more inefficient than people want to admit. I'm super pro-govt in most areas, but you can't work in the government and think it's super efficient (or at all, really).

 

[Dominican Power]

When is the California primary

 

[jack_package_200]

Superdelegates can't melt steel beams

Checkmate Hillary

When is the California primary

June 7th

 

[Iolo]

When is the California primary

21 days from now ugh

 

[BanGy.nz]

When is the California primary

June 7th.

Today it's clear the progressives can easily fuck this up.

 

[Cerium]

I thought the birther movement started with Hillary Clinton supporters. I could be wrong though; it's something I read a while ago. That sounds particularly nasty.

Some of her supporters on the internet started passing around that photo of Obama in a turban and shit. Hillary was asked about it and she did well at first saying that the rumors were baseless, and then tossed in a "As far as I know." She caught HELL for that from the media (like I said, people felt protective of Obama). That's as bad as that stuff ever got.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I bet they move California into the middle of the pack after this year. Keeping it until last, allows for start to finish campaign during primary. I mean, I'm fine with it and glad that each state is getting attention, I just feel like they will try to minimize it in the future.

 

[Tranqueris]

21 days from now ugh

And all the big ones except for Puerto Rico are on the same day so he gets to keep pushing this "California and other states" narrative for the next two weeks and a half.

 

[NihonTiger90]

When is the California primary

June 7

 

[NeoXChaos]

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 7h7 hours ago
Also, the sense Sanders supporters have that the system is rigged against them could be harder than other grievances to overcome.

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 7h7 hours ago
Many Sanders backers are left-of-center but *not* loyal Democrats (instead, they're independents). That could make reconciliation harder.

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 22m22 minutes ago
If Clinton has general election problems with Sanders voters, it may show up in her numbers with independents rather than with Democrats.

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 31m31 minutes ago
Based on states with exit polls, Clinton has won Democrats by 29% so far, but lost independents voting in Dem primaries by 30% to Sanders.

.

 

[jack_package_200]

Enough with the Hillary cult: Her admirers ignore reality, dream of worshipping a queen

My Irony detector just exploded

 

[FiggyCal]

Some of her supporters on the internet started passing around that photo of Obama in a turban and shit. Hillary was asked about it and she did well at first saying that the rumors were baseless, and then tossed in a "As far as I know." She caught HELL for that from the media (like I said, people felt protective of Obama). That's as bad as that stuff ever got.

As far as I can tell. This has been more civil than that. Sanders supporters are very willing to support Hillary Clinton for the presidency, apparently more willing that Hillary Clinton supporters were of Obama.

Edit: I mean: is the whole "abuelita" "queen" stuff not supposed to be cultish?

 

[Valhelm]

Ummmm. No thanks.

Why?

I don't like having to leave so much power in the hands of people who have every reason to not care about the general public.

 

[The Technomancer]

As far as I can tell. This has been more civil than that. Sanders supporters are very willing to support Hillary Clinton for the presidency, apparently more willing that Hillary Clinton supporters were of Obama.

Yes and no. The actual level of direct nastiness between candidates is undeniably lower than 2008. But this rhetoric about his loss being because "the system" was just rigged against "the one true progressive" has me worried about long term damage

 

[kess]

Josh Marshall goes in on Sanders

It Comes From the Very Top

Over the last several weeks I've had a series of conversations with multiple highly knowledgable, highly placed people. Perhaps it's coming from Weaver too. The two guys have been together for decades. But the 'burn it down' attitude, the upping the ante, everything we saw in that statement released today by the campaign seems to be coming from Sanders himself. Right from the top.

 

[Paskil]

Enough with the Hillary cult: Her admirers ignore reality, dream of worshipping a queen

My Irony detector just exploded

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS QUEEN.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Enough with the Hillary cult: Her admirers ignore reality, dream of worshipping a queen

My Irony detector just exploded

Headline and author line are the best one two punch ever/

CAMILLE PAGLIA

LOL.

 

[shem935]

Pleased with the outcomes tonight. Really couldn't have gone better all things considered. Hopefully the media ignores sanders going forward.

Also straight A's for the semester! The stress was worth it!

 

[shinra-bansho]

Why?

I'm not an idealogue?
And think there's value in a private sector that innovates.
And don't simply assume that a public sector is necessarily better at all things.

 

[Black Republican]

the convention's gonna be a mini protest rally isnt it? heh

 

[besada]

Headline and author line are the best one two punch ever/



LOL.

I'm not exactly a huge Hillary booster, but this is typical Paglia -- all over the place and largely nonsensical. While I agree Clinton has her share of sycophantic crazies, Paglia's monarchic reasoning and ridiculous lunging out at trans bathroom issues is just Paglia being Paglia. If she didn't spout stupid shit every so often, we'd forget she was around.

 

[Valhelm]

I'm not an idealogue?

But the United States has a really effective history of innovation through the public avenue. The free market didn't develop computers, rockets, or even video games. Government programs, promoting research for the sake of research, did so.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Holy shit Jeb Bush lol.

"First, not all Hispanics are Mexican. Secondly, not all Hispanics eat tacos. Thirdly, showing your sensitivity by eating an American dish is the most insensitive thing you can do. Fourthly, to say this, next to all things he already said, is a further insult," he said. "It's like eating a watermelon and saying, 'I love African-Americans.'"

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/jeb-bush-donald-trump-taco-bowl/


Btw you need to watch this CNN panel. They're talking about the taco bowl

Trump supporter lady just dropped Outrage/Offense/PC culture and that Hispanics care about issues not tacos.


Sellers basically tore her down, and all she could say is but he said he loves Hispanics... :|

I'm not exactly a huge Hullary booster, but this is typical Paglia -- all over the place and largely nonsensical. While I agree Clinton has her share of sycophantic crazies, Paglia's monarchic reasoning and ridiculous lunging out at trans bathroom issues is just Paglia being Paglia. If she didn't spout stupid shit every so often, we'd forget she was around.

Yep, hence why I read the title, saw her name and closed it, I don't even hate read Paglia.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Jeb remembers how he defended his use of anchor babies, right

Its shit like that why Trump won. If all the stuff Dems have been criticizing Republicans for is just Political Correctness gone mad, what is wrong with anything Trump has said?

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. They really have no political room to manuver. They've conditioned their base to thinking that this sort of stuff is OK. It makes no sense how they constantly say racist/sexist/bioted stuff and somehow now have a new sense of tolerance because of Trump.

 

[Iolo]

Josh Marshall goes in on Sanders

I can't believe I thought, when this primary began, that Sanders' attacks on Hillary during the first debates (and they were fairly weak then, and he hadn't yet taken to calling everything corrupt) were just evidence of how unpolished and unpoliticianlike he was; he wasn't trying to damage her, he was just trying to get his message across. I was duped.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Headline and author line are the best one two punch ever/



LOL.

Holy shit she's got some #hottakes

Paglia criticized Bill Clinton for not resigning after the Monica Lewinsky scandal, which she says "paralyzed the government for two years, leading directly to our blindsiding by 9/11."

 

[Zornack]

But the United States has a really effective history of innovation through the public avenue. The free market didn't develop computers, rockets, or even video games. Government programs, promoting research for the sake of research, did so.

Didn't computers and rockets come out of military spending?

 

[FiggyCal]

Didn't computers and rockets come out of military spending?

I'm pretty sure the internet did too. Maybe we should just pump everything into the military.