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Aaron Strife
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It's so funny that people are going to be so insistent on waiting until California before calling the race when he's probably going to lose there too.
It's like when Rove was having his meltdown over Ohio, meanwhile Virginia and Colorado were called fo Obama too which essentially locked Romney out of the White House anyway.
It's like when Rove was having his meltdown over Ohio, meanwhile Virginia and Colorado were called fo Obama too which essentially locked Romney out of the White House anyway.
whyamihere
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Hillary should not be declared the nominee until I get my ballot in November.
excelsiorlef
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User 463088
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Also, considering DC is June 14th...but Bernie's not expected to do well there, so...I guess it doesn't matter.
Aaron Strife
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(Hillary crosses 270 electoral votes)
"WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL EVERY STATE VOTES"
(Hillary is inaugurated in January)
"YOU KNOW BERNIE WON 20 STATES"
There's also like 20 delegates. And they will be the last 20 delegates. I can't imagine the pledged delegate race coming down to that. It'll be decided by California.
This makes no sense. Think about it -- if the average American voter turnout is 60%, and the Baby Boom exists, these percentages cannot be accurate.
edit: Your link says "voter registration," not "voted."
The Barnie Frank thing does have a personal edge for me, to be honest. I remember reading about him when I was younger, when I was first getting into American politics properly, and it was hugely inspirational as a young gay man. What he had gone through, and how he continued to fight and be openly gay at a time when things seemed to be going heavily against us.
The notion that the DNC should throw him off the committee because Sanders complained he was mean is just... Unthinkable to me. The guys an LGBT liberal icon. He was fighting for gay rights and being a visible representing of our cause for years before the rest of the left got behind it. It would be an abhorrent betrayal of his record and what we stand for.
The notion that the DNC should throw him off the committee because Sanders complained he was mean is just... Unthinkable to me. The guys an LGBT liberal icon. He was fighting for gay rights and being a visible representing of our cause for years before the rest of the left got behind it. It would be an abhorrent betrayal of his record and what we stand for.
User 463088
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No, I know. It's just I find it funny that the argument is "We should wait until everyone gets to vote!" But then DC is just kinda shoved to the side because.....reasons.
excelsiorlef
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Which is why I always laugh so hard every time he says with a bold face that he does better when turnout is up.
It's such a fucking lie.
Aaron Strife
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If he's such an LGBT icon why does he support Killary? Doesn't he know she wrote DOMA and DADT by her own hand, before which gays could freely marry and serve in the military until the Clintons ruined it for everyone?
Ironically I was digging up Hillary's past statements on SSM and she said in 06 she'd support New York legalizing it as she felt it was a states' issue. Interesting how that same year Bernie was pressuring the Vermont legislature not to legalize it. Great profiles in courage.
Oh yeah, totally. Those reasons are black people btw.
excelsiorlef
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I know but it shows a significantly higher interest in voting.
75-78% of over 65ers are registered to vote.
Less than 60% of 18 to 24ers are.
That's pathetic.
For some reason it's actually hard to find eligible voter demographics.
BlastProcessing
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I think he might be right re: $15 an hour. All his delegates will vote for it at the convention and I think a surprising chunk of Clinton's might, it's a popular policy. He only needs ~12% of Clinton's delegates to back him on that one and it isn't an issue that is particularly divisive between them.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It should be, i'd be surprised if you did not see the issue of $15 an hour in many parts of the country.
I felt the same way after voting for him in Georgia and then he went on to say "oh who cares about Southern voters"
/rage
It's not prudent to make $15/hr part of her platform because it's not currently feasible nationwide
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Donald Trump bringing up who appointed the Judge overseeing his University case and that he is Mexican. And since that's too much of a dog whistle, he added he was a "Hater".
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-t...rump-university-lawsuit-hater?cid=sm_fb_msnbc
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-t...rump-university-lawsuit-hater?cid=sm_fb_msnbc
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My guess is all effort will be put on California, not necessarily to win it, but to put the results into question, or delay the counting somehow. No point in doing anything else. It's a two-way-win: make it look like California will be hell to force Hillary to claim victory after NJ, which would give him a justification to contest the whole process' validity, yet if she plays along and waits for California then go ahead and make California's process hell to drag it on as much as possible hoping the DNC will misstep trying to seal things up, which brings him back to having a justification to contest the whole process.
Either way, the end goal is "I can go as far as I need to, their only option is to kick me out and if they do I have a reason to run against them". It's the same tactic Trump had with the GOP.
Either way, the end goal is "I can go as far as I need to, their only option is to kick me out and if they do I have a reason to run against them". It's the same tactic Trump had with the GOP.
metalslimer
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There's no way in hell you are going to see a party platform of a national $15 movement. It would absolutely kill jobs in many rural communities. And with the social safety net already tenous, I would I don't even think it's a good idea. I'm all for starting to look at the idea of basic income, but right now just blanket raising to 15 everywhere shouldn't happen.
excelsiorlef
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Here I'l do the math myself, this is total population not "eligible voters" best I can do.
According to the 2012 population estimates via the census
There were:
52 799 429 18-29 year olds in the US
43 164 909 65+ year olds in the US
And please keep in mind we are discussing a demographic of 11 years vs 65 to oldest person in the US
There are 240 400 252 people who are 18 and older in the US
18-29: 21-22% depending if you round up
65+: 17%-18% if you round up or not
2012 electorate share was:
18-29: 19%
65+: 16%
Difference of 2-3% under actual share for 18-29
and 1-2% of 65+
And I again remind you that we're comparing a group of only 11 years and one that is upwards of 20-30 years.
http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk
And I imagine one of the bigger barriers for the older range of the 65+ is health and disability whereas the barrier in the 18-29 is apathy.
According to the 2012 population estimates via the census
There were:
52 799 429 18-29 year olds in the US
43 164 909 65+ year olds in the US
And please keep in mind we are discussing a demographic of 11 years vs 65 to oldest person in the US
There are 240 400 252 people who are 18 and older in the US
18-29: 21-22% depending if you round up
65+: 17%-18% if you round up or not
2012 electorate share was:
18-29: 19%
65+: 16%
Difference of 2-3% under actual share for 18-29
and 1-2% of 65+
And I again remind you that we're comparing a group of only 11 years and one that is upwards of 20-30 years.
http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk
And I imagine one of the bigger barriers for the older range of the 65+ is health and disability whereas the barrier in the 18-29 is apathy.
What's going to happen is that California will vote, Hillary will immediately become the presumptive nominee, and undeclared supers will move to her. If he does not concede, some of Bernie's declared supers will move to her (as we've seen on occasion) as will some percentage of his supporters now that the contest is over. His favorability numbers would also go down in that case, as they are currently so high because of support from Hillary voters.
Dominican Power
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plagiarize
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Me, ten minutes ago:
Gosh, I guess Clinton might lose California after those e-mail stories of the last couple of days. Let me take a look at what Facebook is saying...
Wait... he went after Barney Frank? He attacked a leading HIV/AIDS activist group?
What the fuck?
I mean, he was being given an opportunity on a plate with the bad press Clinton was getting. All he had to do was stay on message while the right slammed Clinton over her e-mails and he could have maybe squeaked a win.
And he chose to piss off the LGBT community instead because they failed his purity test? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Gosh, I guess Clinton might lose California after those e-mail stories of the last couple of days. Let me take a look at what Facebook is saying...
Wait... he went after Barney Frank? He attacked a leading HIV/AIDS activist group?
What the fuck?
I mean, he was being given an opportunity on a plate with the bad press Clinton was getting. All he had to do was stay on message while the right slammed Clinton over her e-mails and he could have maybe squeaked a win.
And he chose to piss off the LGBT community instead because they failed his purity test? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
He just needs to attack one other person/group with LGBT ties and he can complete the set.
whyamihere
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excelsiorlef
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lols
Love it!
Nomadic Sparks
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Did y'all see that tweet from Trump about our foreign policy allies not doing their fair share. His myopic views lines up with %100 the tea party, I don't see how people don't see that.
If anyone's curious like I was, here's the actual response the DNC gave to Sanders:
From this Politico article.
From this Politico article.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump's comments on Japan are fucking demented.
What is wrong with this guy? Who in America hates Japan?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/736672123012427776
What is wrong with this guy? Who in America hates Japan?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/736672123012427776
excelsiorlef
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If anyone's curious like I was, here's the actual response the DNC gave to Sanders:
From this Politico article.
That is straight up legaleze for "go fuck yourself"
ItWasMeantToBe19
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https://twitter.com/billmon1/status/736630341587337216
*Slow jerkoff motion over several minutes and then finish*
*Slow jerkoff motion over several minutes and then finish*
Yes, we should hold a grudge for something that happened 70 years ago and was resolved by wiping out two of their cities. I think we got them back for that one Don.
He is just dead set on stirring up nationalism and jingoism regardless of how stupid it sounds.
That's what's so good about it.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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TheLostBigBoss
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R O F L
thezerofire
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I still think that's Santorum or Cruz
Remember that there's a portion of the American public that believes Obama going to a foreign country and even discussing past historical events is an apology tour that serves to disrespect every member of the military from the last 80 years.
I think it was on PRI's The World program yesterday, they interviewed an Iraq veteran who felt Obama's Hiroshima speech was a gross apology and an affront to his grandfather (who, IIRC died in the Normandy invasion). And why the hell are we apologizing to Japan when they haven't apologized to China?
whyamihere
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That's how I often reply to any Billmon post.
BotoxAgent
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Fuck, I hope Cali will be a huge blowout for Hillary.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yep, our first White Nationalist Candidate on a major party ticket (I think? Benji, Benji Benji! That's how that works right?)
There may be an argument that he is simply a Xenophobic Nationalist (which goes without saying). So i'll ask that version instead.
Lots of mail in votes so some folks may have already cast for Sanders even if this news changes their mind
excelsiorlef
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Indeed.
Aaron Strife
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On the other hand, polling for Hilly in CA has been pretty great so some of those double digit leads we were seeing earlier could already be baked in.
The only worrisome poll was one that only had her up 2 and it was from some smaller outfit. Benchmark is projecting a 14 point win and SurveyUSA pegged it as an 18 point win. I mean maybe it could be another Michigan but I'm skeptical.
Bernie peeps holding out hope for California to save the day are in for a long night I figure.
Yes, but what does Tyler say?
He's waiting on the digg.com numbers to come in before making his projection.
whyamihere
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Conversely, Hillary tends to do better in early voting anyway.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Some people are mad that college students that compare Israel to Nazi Germany are getting reprimanded and they say it isn't horrific racism, just anti-Zionism.
I mean, you're only getting at one thing when you compare Israel to Nazi Germany and "fascism" in general, come on, dumbfucks, grow a brain.
I mean, you're only getting at one thing when you compare Israel to Nazi Germany and "fascism" in general, come on, dumbfucks, grow a brain.
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