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[Mael]

Full 20 minute exchange is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ25U6kEyQk

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Did that Trump guy get fired for gross incompetence?

 

[Suikoguy]

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Did that Trump guy get fired for gross incompetence?

He was working within marching orders.

 

[NeoXChaos]

So there are Bernie or Bust delegates going to Philly?

No way a roll call suspension by Bernie won't get boos.

 

[Aaron Strife]

You call this a "democracy"? I am fucking seething at the moment and sick to my stomach, and Cenk is acting like he doesn't have a care in the World:





A caller (who could have been me, if I lived in California) into Thom Hartmann's show (who's "fallen in line" (for the good of the party...), but he looks like he's being forced to down a bottle of castor oil in this video ), who describes a similar "horrible" experience, plus he decided to witness practically the whole day's events at his polling station (twelve hours worth):





Purely considering the California primary, Hillary didn't win shit, with the LA Times reporting that as many as three million ballots were yet to be counted at the end of Tuesday night. The LA Times also reported on the chaos on Tuesday, plus Breitbart, my source for Brandon's Tweets.

I dismiss out of hand those of you that repeatedly said that Bernie has run a terrible campaign, as we all know this is pure propaganda, as he has in fact run an amazing campaign, uniting oh so many people, but I will say that, if Obama was in Bernie's shoes, at this moment in history, he would be all over these millions of provisional ballots, and he would make damn sure an overwhelming percentage were counted towards the final vote tally. I'm not at all convinced Bernie's campaign will take the necessary steps to ensure history records the "real" winner in California, at least...

Who would have thought even Bernie and Cenk would be filthy establishment apologists?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Sanders has 2 new meetings today: Schumer and Biden.

"You want the Budget Chair?"

 

[B-Dubs]

Sanders has 2 new meetings today: Schumer and Biden.

Schumer will probably talk about committee chairs given he's taking over for Reid.

Biden, who knows. Maybe he'll take Bernie out for a beer with him and Worm.

"You want the Budget Chair?"

The fact I read that in his "I'm going to talk about delis for 3 hours in this interview instead of the Iran nuclear deal" voice made me laugh way more than I should have.

 

[thebloo]

Daniel, what do you think a provisional ballot is? Please be as detailed as you are able to be given your user interface paradigm.

Most people on Reddit believe that they are either thrown away or only counted if it's "really close".

 

[studyguy]

Sometimes I think Daniel is just Huelen's alternate account.

 

[Retromelon]

Who would have thought even Bernie and Cenk would be filthy establishment apologists?

Aaron you are supposed to enjoy Daniel b posts not get worked up over them. Keep exposing the fraud dan!! We all love you

 

[BotoxAgent]

Looking back, it was really smart move that Hillary didn't do the Cali debates and give Bernie undeserved free press. She still won, and won handily.

 

[thestopsign]

Some of these fraud stories basically remind me of some dude getting dumped by his girlfriend (or boyfriend!) and goes into a bar just looking for a fight. When he finds one he wimps out and goes home. Afterwards he tells everyone how he had the worst day! I got dumped and this dude tried to fight me for no reason at the bar!

 

[Plinko]

Purely considering the California primary, Hillary didn't win shit, with the LA Times reporting that as many as three million ballots were yet to be counted at the end of Tuesday night. The LA Times also reported on the chaos on Tuesday, plus Breitbart, my source for Brandon's Tweets.

I dismiss out of hand those of you that repeatedly said that Bernie has run a terrible campaign, as we all know this is pure propaganda, as he has in fact run an amazing campaign, uniting oh so many people, but I will say that, if Obama was in Bernie's shoes, at this moment in history, he would be all over these millions of provisional ballots, and he would make damn sure an overwhelming percentage were counted towards the final vote tally. I'm not at all convinced Bernie's campaign will take the necessary steps to ensure history records the "real" winner in California, at least...

Do you guys seriously get talking points sent to you each morning? Every one is exactly identical.

 

[Holmes]

Sorry Daniel B, it was me. I personally blocked thousands of Sanders voters from voting here. That's why Clinton dominated in Napa county!

 

[Emarv]

Sanders has 2 new meetings today: Schumer and Biden.

Ruh roh

 

[Veritigo_X]

Personally, I use provisional ballots as kindling.

 

[B-Dubs]

Ruh roh

If Bernie takes Schumer to a deli he'll be fine.

 

[hawk2025]

I've been looking forward to danb's post all week, let me enjoy this please

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Sanders still not quitting

the fucker

 

[Crayons]

Oh Daniel...

 

[RustyNails]

He'll drop by Wednesday imo. DC gives him an out, especially if the margin is as expected. Obama won't want to sit on the sidelines any longer anyway, from reports he's been ready to go for a month or two now.

Naw. He will hold a speech after DC results and drop out. Obama probably doesn't want to delay even a day longer.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

If the dems really want Sanders to go away, then stop paying attention to him.

 

[Hilbert]

How Bernie Sanders Exposed the Democrats’ Racial Rift

I thought this was a good article, especially this paragraph, which I think sums up a lot of what I have been feeling when people brush off Trump:

"Minority voters have been watching in horror as millions of Republican voters choose Trump either because of, or despite, his open bigotry. The Sanders supporters who toy with the idea of shunning Clinton in November and allowing Trump to become president to force a revolution that Sanders couldn’t deliver are playing with fire. To minority voters, Trump’s candidacy feels like an existential threat. It’s one thing for Republicans to either ignore or embrace his racism; the party already seems unwilling or incapable of making the kinds of adjustments it must to attract more non-white voters. It’s quite another for white Democrats to not appreciate how liberal minorities feel about the possibility of a Trump presidency and what that would say about the state of racial progress in America. It would be a slap in the face, the latest sign that a kind of white privilege—throwing a temper tantrum because they don’t get their way despite how much it hurts people of color—is deeply rooted within liberal, Democratic ranks as well."

 

[studyguy]

It really doesn't matter if he drops out or not.
I still expect the DNC to begin revving the engine on the guy whether he moves or not. Bams endorses next week regardless of what Sanders does post DC. He's irrelevant at this point.

 

[RustyNails]

Daniel, what do you think a provisional ballot is? Please be as detailed as you are able to be given your user interface paradigm.

lol

Poor guy. He upgraded to a 10 year old laptop though!

 

[nature boy]

Is there any evidence that Bernie Sanders "brought in millions of new people"?

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Is there any evidence that Bernie Sanders "brought in millions of new people"?

Hard to tell with Closed primaries.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

How Bernie Sanders Exposed the Democrats’ Racial Rift

I thought this was a good article, especially this paragraph, which I think sums up a lot of what I have been feeling when people brush off Trump:

"Minority voters have been watching in horror as millions of Republican voters choose Trump either because of, or despite, his open bigotry. The Sanders supporters who toy with the idea of shunning Clinton in November and allowing Trump to become president to force a revolution that Sanders couldn’t deliver are playing with fire. To minority voters, Trump’s candidacy feels like an existential threat. It’s one thing for Republicans to either ignore or embrace his racism; the party already seems unwilling or incapable of making the kinds of adjustments it must to attract more non-white voters. It’s quite another for white Democrats to not appreciate how liberal minorities feel about the possibility of a Trump presidency and what that would say about the state of racial progress in America. It would be a slap in the face, the latest sign that a kind of white privilege—throwing a temper tantrum because they don’t get their way despite how much it hurts people of color—is deeply rooted within liberal, Democratic ranks as well."

I said this months ago.

Sanders voters by and large can afford a Trump presidency (discounting Sanders youth support who I think are just politically naive). Clintons voters can't or don't want to

 

[studyguy]

Is there any evidence that Bernie Sanders "brought in millions of new people"?

Gonna be a matter of what happens at the general I guess. Bringing in "millions of new voters" in the primary and not being able to mobilize them for the general would be pretty awful. One could lay the blame on the DNC to not being able to attract these supposed millions, but at the same time if no attempt to build a bridge was made and you painted the DNC as a corrupt group from the ground up then what is gained?

 

[Retromelon]

Is there any evidence that Bernie Sanders "brought in millions of new people"?

Is there any evidence Hillary is not lame? The studies haven't been done. It is observable that he got a lot of people fired up, and brought at least a decent amount of new people into the democratic fold.

 

[Cesare Borgia]

Hearing that at one point Sanders said something along the lines of "this is a close race" and Obama said "actually it's not at fucking all, but you did as well as you could."

Sanders acknowledged that the end is near...but isn't here yet. As others have said he'll stay for DC and likely bow out shortly thereafter. I was wrong, I really thought he'd go to the convention to be a dick.

 

[Holmes]

Loretta Sanchez got more votes than the next three Republican combined. Harris + Sanchez were almost 60% of the total vote, and both of them got a majority combined in Orange county, along with the fact that Democrats outvoted Republicans in a Presidential primary in Orange county for the first time.

 

[Paskil]

People that say provisional ballots are not counted are being disingenuous as fuck. There are various reasons an individual can be given a provisional ballot. In Wisconsin, if you don't have ID, you can cast a provisional ballot, and so long as you provide proof of ID by the end of the business day Friday to the clerk, your ballot is counted.

If provisional ballots weren't counted, why would they even give you a ballot to cast?

Source: I'm a goddamn chief inspector election official.

The media isn't going to fucking wait until the Friday following the Tuesday election to call the election. It doesn't matter anyhow since the pledged delegates are allotted based on the official, certified results. Even if 100 pledged delegates were to switch because of a million more votes for Bernie, it doesn't matter. Hillary won the vote. Hillary won the pledged delegates. Hillary won the pledged delegates/superdelegates combined. Hillary is the nominee.

I guaranfuckingtee that Hillary supporters were also given provisional ballots. Seeing the vote total, I would wager that with the final tally, Hillary will actually win by a wider margin. More of the outstanding ballots are most likely Hillary votes.

 

[User 463088]

Hard to tell with Closed primaries.

This...this is not true. Of course we can tell! New voters don't simply not exist because a primary is closed. All they literally have to do is register as Democrats and they're absolutely fine.

There are some states in which registration is up, particularly places like California. I think, though, that has more to do with Donald Trump than it does to do with Bernie Sanders.

 

[Holmes]

Hearing that at one point Sanders said something along the lines of "this is a close race" and Obama said "actually it's not at fucking all, but you did as well as you could."

Sanders acknowledged that the end is near...but isn't here yet. As others have said he'll stay for DC and likely bow out shortly thereafter. I was wrong, I really thought he'd go to the convention to be a dick.

Is that what it takes with Sanders? Stroke his ego and say "it was sooooooo close"? Then he'll demand all of his platform policies be adopted at the convention.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Hearing that at one point Sanders said something along the lines of "this is a close race" and Obama said "actually it's not at fucking all, but you did as well as you could."

Sanders acknowledged that the end is near...but isn't here yet. As others have said he'll stay for DC and likely bow out shortly thereafter. I was wrong, I really thought he'd go to the convention to be a dick.

Oh, believe me, hes going to the convention, if anything else his supporters will be there outside. I fully expect him to stop any sort of attack on Hillary, though...even though the attacks really weren't that harsh. He is turning his sights on Trump, and honestly, yall should love that.

 

[studyguy]

Loretta Sanchez got more votes than the next three Republican combined. Harris + Sanchez were almost 60% of the total vote, and both of them got a majority combined in Orange county, along with the fact that Democrats outvoted Republicans in a Presidential primary in Orange county for the first time.

Not sure why republicans bothered tbh.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

Joe Biden Writes An Open Letter To Stanford Survivor

God dammit, Joe Biden is the best.

You will never be defined by what the defendant’s father callously termed “20 minutes of action.”

His son will be.
I join your global chorus of supporters, because we can never say enough to survivors: I believe you. It is not your fault.

What you endured is never, never, never, NEVER a woman’s fault.

And while the justice system has spoken in your particular case, the nation is not satisfied.
And that is why we will continue to speak out.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Venezuela says that the media should not publish news if news makes people anxious.

Venezuela's Supreme Court on Wednesday banned the media from publishing videos of lynchings, saying they create "anxiety and uncertainty" in a country ravaged by violent crime and an economic crisis.

The OPEC nation's society is in upheaval amid triple-digit inflation, a deep recession, and brutal shortages of food and medicine. Mob beatings and lynchings have increased in the country, which is already one of the world's most violent, as Venezuelans have grown increasingly angry at frequent thefts, hold-ups, and homicides.

Gory videos of mob justice or photos of bloody corpses sometimes make the rounds on social media. President Nicolás Maduro's socialist government says the footage is part of a larger plan to sully his administration and stoke unrest in an attempt to unseat him.

In its statement, the top court, which Venezuela's opposition accuses of being subservient to Maduro, singled out two digital outlets, but said the ban applies to all media.

"The Supreme Court has ordered a ban on digital outlets 'La Patilla' and 'Caraota Digital' from publishing videos of lynchings, via their internet sites, as well as their social media accounts," the top judicial body said in a statement, while noting the broader ban.

"Media have the right to journalistically express a news event...but these rights should not create anxiety and uncertainty in the population," the court said.

https://news.vice.com/article/venez...ideos-of-lynchings?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

Why do loser Communists still defend this stupid, conspiratorial, human rights abusing country?

 

[B-Dubs]

Joe Biden Writes An Open Letter To Stanford Survivor

God dammit, Joe Biden is the best.

He really is the best.

Can't Hillary just pick Joe for VP?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Bernie will go to the convention, there's no question about it

As a spectator

 

[Paskil]

Joe Biden Writes An Open Letter To Stanford Survivor

God dammit, Joe Biden is the best.

This is incredible and awesome. Uncle Joe should stay on as Honorary VP. They can give him an office off the side of the Oval Office and every Friday, he can decide what's on the cafeteria menu, or something.

 

[pigeon]

Is there any evidence Hillary is not lame? The studies haven't been done.

I despise the things you stand for*, but you are a great poster.


* I don't really know what the things are that you stand for. Except reducing national security oversight which I'm basically meh about, sorry.

 

[Emarv]

Is that what it takes with Sanders? Stroke his ego and say "it was sooooooo close"? Then he'll demand all of his platform policies be adopted at the convention.

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past Reid and Schumer to do this in order to get his email list and data. That stuff is mostly exclusive to him until he shares it with the DNC, right?

 

[kirblar]

How Bernie Sanders Exposed the Democrats’ Racial Rift

I thought this was a good article, especially this paragraph, which I think sums up a lot of what I have been feeling when people brush off Trump:

"Minority voters have been watching in horror as millions of Republican voters choose Trump either because of, or despite, his open bigotry. The Sanders supporters who toy with the idea of shunning Clinton in November and allowing Trump to become president to force a revolution that Sanders couldn’t deliver are playing with fire. To minority voters, Trump’s candidacy feels like an existential threat. It’s one thing for Republicans to either ignore or embrace his racism; the party already seems unwilling or incapable of making the kinds of adjustments it must to attract more non-white voters. It’s quite another for white Democrats to not appreciate how liberal minorities feel about the possibility of a Trump presidency and what that would say about the state of racial progress in America. It would be a slap in the face, the latest sign that a kind of white privilege—throwing a temper tantrum because they don’t get their way despite how much it hurts people of color—is deeply rooted within liberal, Democratic ranks as well."

This article's fantastic and threadworthy.

What the hell @ Politico actually putting out good journalism the moment the election's over.

 

[Good Job Bob]

How Bernie Sanders Exposed the Democrats’ Racial Rift

I think the generational rift he exposed was more stark and pronounced, but this is worth looking at too.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

This...this is not true. Of course we can tell! New voters don't simply not exist because a primary is closed. All they literally have to do is register as Democrats and they're absolutely fine.

There are some states in which registration is up, particularly places like California. I think, though, that has more to do with Donald Trump than it does to do with Bernie Sanders.

I think we over estimate peoples ability to stay on top of what they need to do, in order to vote in the primary. Its really hard for me to know what the every man knows/thinks about the system. My prejudice would be that they innocently ignorant of the process to register for a specific party. Though on the other side, you can say that if he didn't get people to try and navigate the system and register in time, then the didn't really cause anything knew. As for as the timing goes, it is possible that people didn't really know him in time for them to register. I don't know when all the deadlines were.

As for Trump, I think he is one of the big reasons Sanders lost Ohio so bad. That was the peak of the Trump controversy, and I think people were paying attention to that and voted in that primary over the dem side.

Anyway, lets dump the trump!

 

[nature boy]

Gonna be a matter of what happens at the general I guess. Bringing in "millions of new voters" in the primary and not being able to mobilize them for the general would be pretty awful. One could lay the blame on the DNC to not being able to attract these supposed millions, but at the same time if no attempt to build a bridge was made and you painted the DNC as a corrupt group from the ground up then what is gained?

Well if voter turnout for the Democratic primaries is down from 2008 and Sanders brought in new people, WTF happened to all those people from 2008?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

This article's fantastic and threadworthy.

What the hell @ Politico actually putting out good journalism the moment the election's over.

Eh. If the intent is to lambast sanders supporters as all whites it really isn't

I know people will protest that's not the reason to post it but that's pretty much the intent

 

[studyguy]

Well if voter turnout for the Democratic primaries is down from 2008 and Sanders brought in new people, WTF happened to all those people from 2008?

Clearly they were victims of fraud.
Just look at all the graphs flying about facebook.

 

[pigeon]

How Bernie Sanders Exposed the Democrats’ Racial Rift

I thought this was a good article, especially this paragraph, which I think sums up a lot of what I have been feeling when people brush off Trump:

"Minority voters have been watching in horror as millions of Republican voters choose Trump either because of, or despite, his open bigotry. The Sanders supporters who toy with the idea of shunning Clinton in November and allowing Trump to become president to force a revolution that Sanders couldn’t deliver are playing with fire. To minority voters, Trump’s candidacy feels like an existential threat. It’s one thing for Republicans to either ignore or embrace his racism; the party already seems unwilling or incapable of making the kinds of adjustments it must to attract more non-white voters. It’s quite another for white Democrats to not appreciate how liberal minorities feel about the possibility of a Trump presidency and what that would say about the state of racial progress in America. It would be a slap in the face, the latest sign that a kind of white privilege—throwing a temper tantrum because they don’t get their way despite how much it hurts people of color—is deeply rooted within liberal, Democratic ranks as well."

Here's another quote I think is definitely worthy of reviewing.

...[M]any white Democratic voters missed the sentiment shared among black Obama voters in 2008 that, once again, the “first black” was being handed a seemingly impossible task—two ground wars, a collapsing economy, a record deficit—and if he wasn’t able to perform a miracle, it would not only be his failure, but that of black people in general. To downplay what he has been able to achieve despite the obstacles, which also included an unprecedented level of obstruction from the GOP, confirms a fear shared by many people of color—Democratic or otherwise—that no matter what they achieve, it will never be enough. Sanders and Susan Sarandon may sincerely believe things are so awful only a revolution can heal the country’s ills. But their overwrought rhetoric, and no more than lukewarm support of Obama’s accomplishments, taps into that deeply-held frustration among minorities.

That’s why, despite what looks like intractable problems to white Democrats, minority voters are more optimistic about the future than their white counterparts. That Obama was able to become president and get stuff done is an enormous source of not only pride, but hope. The Kaiser Family Foundation found that more than half of young black and Latinos believe their lives will be better than their parents, compared with less than a third of young white people. On many measures, black people have seen much worse days—the black unemployment rate neared 17 percent at the height of the Great Recession and is less than half that now—even as they continue fighting decades-long struggles. Things aren’t perfect, but the progress that has occurred during the Obama era isn’t something they want ignored or downplayed. Given that reality, why would they believe in the need for a revolution?

This very much matches how I feel. We're finally winning, for God's sake. If you'd come by ten years ago I would have been totally in support of putting a hole in the ship. But to do it now, when we're finally pointed in the right direction?