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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Washington Post/ABC poll

Registered Voters:
46 Trump - 44 Clinton

Even with the party unity stuff suggesting Clinton will catch up, it shouldn't be this difficult to do well against trump.

In the sense that, yeah Trump should not be getting 30% of the vote, let alone 46. But you might be surprised how much effect a decided primary versus a decided primary with an asshole still contesting it, is.

If Trump gets only 46% of the vote in the GE...

The map would look similar to this:
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Ether_Snake

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Soon the excessively optimistic posts saying Hillary will crush Trump will be a thing of the past. It's going to be a tight race, unless Obama campaigns for Hillary a lot.
 
+6 among general population vs -2 among registered voters

obama approval +5
dem party approval +4 (vs -20 GOP)

about 7% of registered voters think trump isn't qualified to serve as president but will vote for him anyway

and again, it's mid-may
 
Soon the excessively optimistic posts saying Hillary will crush Trump will be a thing of the past. It's going to be a tight race, unless Obama campaigns for Hillary a lot.

Nah.

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Right now Hillary is Reagan. Once the election starts in full force, everyone will be paying attention and pick sides. And there's a lot of evidence that most people aren't really aware of Trump right now. It's going to split fast. And it's going to be a pretty big defeat for Trump.
 
Hmm, I wonder if Trump could manage to get himself as dictator if he wins this election.

How sad would it be to have Trump as a dictator? Hitler and Mussolini fought way harder to get where they needed to. America would be as big of a loser country as Turkey (with Erdogan) to have a guy constantly complaining about mean poems while being totally incompetent be dictator of the nation.

Can you imagine if America ends up being as much of a loser country as Turkey?
 
Soon the excessively optimistic posts saying Hillary will crush Trump will be a thing of the past. It's going to be a tight race, unless Obama campaigns for Hillary a lot.

Which will happen, and I do think Hillary will crush Trump when the nomination is wrapped up and both campaigns will full on.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Which will happen, and I do think Hillary will crush Trump when the nomination is wrapped up and both campaigns will full on.

The contrast in that first debate is going to be amazing.
 

ampere

Member
There's a big difference between the current "fuck Hillary!" Bernie supporters, and the "holy shit if I don't vote against him Trump could be president" people in November
 
Man, 85% of Republicans are ready to vote for a white nationalist.

I mean, two years ago, not even the most hardcore liberals would say "85% of the Republican Party and all of its leadership would be okay with a possible NeoNazi being leader of the United States."

And he's like one of the worst possible white supremacists because he's so thin skinned that he might actually do horrible things even if it gets him impeached.

I would have.
 
A dictator putting Muslims in camps in America would be devastating no matter what, but it's got to be even worse from a guy who would send Spy Magazine's editor to Gitmo because of the person thought his hands were small back in 1991.
 
I've decided Trailer Park Boys is the best show ever, especially for when you're getting fucked up on weed and liqour.
Yes :) we know what you're saying dawg :)

It's like Liu Kang and Johnny Cage had a match to decide who would represent Earth against Outworld's champion, and Liu Kang won, and now Johnny Cage is drunk and chucking beer bottles at Liu Kang from outside the ring as Shao Khan is coming at him.

Edit: Sonya is obviously the better Hillary analogue.
If someone said to me when I was younger that Johnny Cage would be a badass and arguably the best character on Mortal Kombat.. I'd have called you a liar.

i watched that show for like 8 seasons and i dont think i laughed once
Hmm.. I'm afraid that..
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No way you give it 8 seasons if you didn't get at least one chuckle out of it.

You pass with flying carpet
No he doesn't and you are wrong sir.

Don't encourage him to dislike one of the three greatest things that Holmes's
and Ted Cruz's :)
native country created. It needs to be treated like the wonderful creation that it is.
 
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thepotatoman

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In the sense that, yeah Trump should not be getting 30% of the vote, let alone 46. But you might be surprised how much effect a decided primary versus a decided primary with an asshole still contesting it, is.

If Trump gets only 46% of the vote in the GE...

The map would look similar to this:

I know the primary is not the general election, but I think one lesson from the primary is you can't just take Trump's current number and assume that's the ceiling. There's still 12% undecided/other in those numbers, and trump's going to get some of those.
 
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thepotatoman

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Right now Hillary is Reagan. Once the election starts in full force, everyone will be paying attention and pick sides. And there's a lot of evidence that most people aren't really aware of Trump right now. It's going to split fast. And it's going to be a pretty big defeat for Trump.

Weird comparison when Bobby Kennedy/Jimmy Carter primary is probably the closest analogy to the Hillary Clinton/Bernie Sanders primary.
 
So interesting facebook's On This Day thing from yesterday showed me that a year ago yesterday I posted

So I'm gonna say it Bernie Sanders would make a better President than Hillary Clinton.

It's fascinating to see where I am a year later.

And see that ironically the more I got to hear from him the less I liked him.

Really started with thee data theft and he lost me with the Planned Parenthood thing.

The way he's run his campaign, the staff he has just soured me completely
 

HUELEN10

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So interesting facebook's On This Day thing from yesterday showed me that a year ago yesterday I posted



It's fascinating to see where I am a year later.

And see that ironically the more I got to hear from him the less I liked him.

Really started with thee data theft and he lost me with the Planned Parenthood thing.

The way he's run his campaign, the staff he has just soured me completely

Wow... What made you switch preferred candidates? For me, it's been a steady tier list for the most part, but that's a pretty dramatic change.
 

itschris

Member
Hmm. What if Sanders has a bad breakup with the Democratic party after (officially) losing the nomination? If he doesn't endorse Hillary and even badmouths her?

I'd be very surprised if he goes that far. The worst case scenario I see happening is him giving a half-hearted endorsement that's more about how bad Trump would be, followed by going back to Vermont and not doing much to help in the general.
 
I'd be very surprised if he goes that far. The worst case scenario I see happening is him giving a half-hearted endorsement that's more about how bad Trump would be, followed by going back to Vermont and not doing much to help in the general.

Funnily, this is my imaginary best case scenario. I don't see him going out there and stumping for her.

Worst case is that he publicly refuses to endorse either of them, basically calls the whole process a sham, and promptly vanishes. I sometimes skirt the possibility of him actually going third party, running Green or something, but better sense generally prevails.
 
No one likes a sore loser, except for other sore loser weirdos.
Most of whatever followers he had would go back to SnapGramming their InstaBooks.
The rest of the Sanderistas would probably create an unironic Sandersis45 and everyone would ignore it.
Sanders would be a pariah in the Senate with the party he caucuses with. He'd stop getting that sweet sweet DSCC money and any committee roles.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Then he can kiss his chairmanships goodbye.

Finding out he was next in line for the Budget committee made me realize he is going to have to put on a show of support. It's now in his own interest.
 
I've heard Hoyer is very straight laced. Doesn't curse, incredibly nice etc. if it's true couldn't imagine a bigger contrast than Grayson.
My stepmother used to work for Steny Hoyer. He said "sugar" instead of "shit." Very nice man.
It's like Liu Kang and Johnny Cage had a match to decide who would represent Earth against Outworld's champion, and Liu Kang won, and now Johnny Cage is drunk and chucking beer bottles at Liu Kang from outside the ring as Shao Khan is coming at him.
I spend too much time on GAF. At first I couldn't figure out what this had to due with Liu Kang Baking a Pie et al.
We shouldn't focus too much on individual polls, especially not while this is still going on:

Why is anything in this cartoon labeled?
 

royalan

Member
Finding out he was next in line for the Budget committee made me realize he is going to have to put on a show of support. It's now in his own interest.

I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't already off the table.

That more superdelegates have declared for Hillary, and two (by my last count) have left Bernie...something tells me the party is over Bernie's shit.

He'll likely get some token initial support from party as to not completely piss off his base, and then once the dust settles he'll probably be cut off. I just can't imagine something amicable arising out of the kind of campaign he's run.

Then again, we've seen candidates who once referred to Trump as a cancer line up to kiss his boot. So I could be very wrong about this. lol
 

sc0la

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My stepmother used to work for Steny Hoyer. He said "sugar" instead of "shit." Very nice man.

I spend too much time on GAF. At first I couldn't figure out what this had to due with Liu Kang Baking a Pie et al.

Why is anything in this cartoon labeled?
To be fair boxing shorts often feature the fighters name on them. I would complain if the ref counting out Bernie was labeled "establishment" however
 
Wow... What made you switch preferred candidates? For me, it's been a steady tier list for the most part, but that's a pretty dramatic change.

You quoted my reasons.

And it's only a dramatic change if you think Sanders and Clinton are diametrical opposites


But in depth it was this:

Data theft, his team did wrong, and he played victim and attacked the DNC, instead of accepting responsibility

My first indication that A) He had incompetent Staff and B) He is unable to take responsibility and may in fact lack integrity

That was a huge moment for me because it was the first time I got an indication of who Bernie Sanders the candidate was, prior to that I had thought of him solely as a set of ideas if that makes sense.

So the shift began, I still agreed with ideas but started to think that he might not be the right person to put them into action.

Then he completely lost me with the Planned Parenthood fiasco. Where he called them the Establishment, doubled down, tripled down and then finally said oh wait I meant the leaders are, not the organization itself, which in itself was a back track and a quadruple down.

There was absolutely no reason to go after Planned Parenthood, they endorsed Clinton because of her track record in the Senate and her proactive nature on the issues important to them. They were polite and quite positive towards Sanders and yet Sanders turned around and flipped out on them tossing them into the Establishment he was fighting.

That was it for me, I have no time to support a guy who attacks arguably one of the most persecuted organizations in the country just because they endorsed his opponent, while complimenting the hell out of him. The thread I made about it here didn't help either as pro Sandesr people absolutely joined in on attacking PP as part of the establishment and questioning their integrity, and mine, including a few calling to have me banned over it.

The rest is history, he's proven to me since that I was absolutely correct to get off that band wagon.

I mean it's a laundry list:

1) His reaction post South-Carolina, where he simulatenously dismissed the south as "conservative", didn't thank his supporters in those states or really acknowledge what those losses meant.He went to Super White Minnesota I believe that night and called them too smart not to vote for him, which is a terrible thing to say post a major loss in a state where the black vote was a huge factor in his loss.

2) He also managed to claim that had he tired harder he'd have won, which basically implies he didn't consider the South worth his time, and that he lost because they (which includes a lot of minorities) just didn't know about him. It's also a lie, he out spent Clinton in South Carolina.

3) His surrogates have been horrendous and he's never really held them accountable. I mean his response to Killer Mike's Uterus comment was to say "I'd never say vote for me because I'm a man". Then there's the Establishment Whores moment, the Rosario Dawson shit, the Cornel West stuff

4) The John Lewis incident

5) Blaming the DNC for the Arizona issues, and claiming somehow that it only hurt him, never mind that in many of those places it likely hurt Clinton more

6) Demanding debates and then complaining because he didn't get his desired dates, or that he'd have to change a date of one of his million and a half stump speech rallies

7) the fact that all he seemed to do is host rallies, whereas I saw Clinton going into communities and meeting with people in much more intimate ways

8) His refusal to do fuck all for the downticket

9) His attack on Emily's List when he finally sort of kinda did a tiny thing for the downticket

10) His camp's insistence that he didn't need to really help monetary wise wtith the downticket because just being on the same ticket as Bernie fucking Sanders is enough. No cult of personality for me please.

11)That disastrous NYDN interview where he was frankly exposed as not having much of a plan of action, just a lot of core ideas.

12) His ridiculous policies on free trade and his inclination to give anti-GMO zealots any credibility.

13) Everything to do with his fucking Clinton speeches bullshit. Especially given that when asked to pinpoint even one time Clinton was "bought and paid for" he couldn't. Not to mention he sure as shit managed to only release a tiny fraction of his tax return

14) How he fucked up the Castro and Ortega question in the Florida Debate

15) How we went to the fucking Vatican on his campaign's dime in the middle of a fucking primary

16) How he came back and immediately criticized Clinton for the Clooney predominately downticket fundraiser, eventually calling it and other fundraisers like it money laundering.

17) His repeated claims that he represents the will of the people, despite being currently decimated in the popular vote.

18) His disinterest in foreign policy, beyond I was against Iraq. He hired advisers way too late, by then he'd already propose that the solution to fighting ISIS was for Saudi Arabia and Iran to create a coalition... which is fucking asinine. That and it's clear that he has never been all the interested in foreign policy. In a Senate briefing about Libya, Sanders took the floor and talked about Democratic messaging on the economy.

19) How almost every loss is somehow because the election was stolen from him and not because people sincerely voted against him

20) His obsession with yelling fraud at everything

21) His constant attack on the Democratic Party and the DNC which in the end turned out to be the only actual target for his "revolution" to the point where his supporters booed the Democratic Party at his latest stump rally. Shouldn't have been a surprise in retrospect, since he's the guy that wanted someone to primary Obama in 2012

22) Which is exactly why what happened in Nevada as his response to it is no surprise. It was a culmination of so much of what I've listed above. He has whipped a lot of people into a detached from reality frenzy, his "everything is fraud and theft" behaviour has convinced a subset of his followers that an election is literally being stolen from him. I mean again look at his press release, after walking away from the question like a fucking coward, he releases a statement that basically blames Roberta Lange for her own harassment, I'd argue in fact that in focusing the bulk of the release on making false accusations that she was corrupt and committing fraud and stealing a win from Sanders that he in fact was essentially just giving more ammo for people to either harass her more or feel justified in their harassment, and frankly that seems evident when you read the interviews of some of those people who harassed her

23) Oh and now he's actually called Clinton the lesser of two evils, while trying to pretend he didn't like a fucking weasel.

24) He's run his campaign as a litmus test for getting to call oneself a progressive.

25 ) He pretends to not be a politician but absolutely is one.

26) His inability to ever truly admit fault, it's always someone else's.

27) Everything to do with Super Delegates, first hating them despite hiring the guy who helped create them, and then going oh wait they should be allocated by the outcome of the primaries, oh wait by that I mean the states that I won, the ones in states that Clinton won should vote for me because meaningless GE polls. He's essentially claiming to be the will of the people while arguing to over turn the will of the people

He's proven to me that he's not fit to be President.


That said if he somehow was the nominee I'd cheer for him in an instant, but I'm glad he's not the nominee.
 
This is one of the best posts I've ever read here on GAF and very closely mirrors my falling out with Sanders.

Thanks, it's wild to look back on it all frankly. And I'm frankly probably missing points too.

It blew my my mind that it was only a year ago wen I was on his side. I mean people around here pretty much know me as probably one of the most actively vocal posters in terms of speaking out against Sanders, so it felt like I'd been a Clinton supporter for so much longer than I have been

Oh well I could also add that his campaign has caused a lot of left leaning media outlets to go fucking insane expose themselves as about as intellectually bankrupt as Fox News (I'm looking at you Cenk and TYT) but that's not actually his fault.
 

Muzy72

Banned
Wow... What made you switch preferred candidates? For me, it's been a steady tier list for the most part, but that's a pretty dramatic change.

...Thank you for posting this. Now I can 100% confirm you're a troll. Sanders -> Clinton is a dramatic change, but Biden -> Carson -> Sanders -> Trump is logical. LOL okay, sure.
 
...Thank you for posting this. Now I can 100% confirm you're a troll. Sanders -> Clinton is a dramatic change, but Biden -> Carson -> Sanders -> Trump is logical. LOL okay, sure.

Almost mentioned that in my post but wanted the post itself to be solely focused on my message.

But yeah that gave me a fucking huge laugh.
 

Paskil

Member
Almost mentioned that in my post but wanted the post itself to be solely focused on my message.

But yeah that gave me a fucking huge laugh.

Pretty much. I would vote for Sanders as the nominee, but I don't feel like he would be an effective chief executive, domestically or internationally. I supported Clinton in 2008, so I was pretty much already sold coming into this election. Bernie never told me what he was going to do. He basically talked at me without saying anything. Still, his core ideas at a brushstroke largely fall in line with what I would like to see from a candidate.
 

mo60

Member
Soon the excessively optimistic posts saying Hillary will crush Trump will be a thing of the past. It's going to be a tight race, unless Obama campaigns for Hillary a lot.

I wouldn't bet on it. I expect the left and anyone else that hates trump to unite behind Hilary once people start to worry about him becoming president. At this point I expect Hilary's poll numbers to increase to where they were about a month ago if they aren't already there by then. I expect the popular vote difference to be between 7% and 15% on election day.
 
I'll never understand people who want to go to Vegas and then act shocked at how expensive everything is. If y'all just wanted to get drunk I got a million other choices for you, this ain't on me. 😂
 
The John Lewis bit is what really got me. Here's a guy who in a lot of alternate universes is a political prisoner of the Jim Crow South or some f'd up Confederate-dominated USA and people act like he's some Uncle Tom because of his totally reasonable endorsement.
 
Pretty much. I would vote for Sanders as the nominee, but I don't feel like he would be an effective chief executive, domestically or internationally. I supported Clinton in 2008, so I was pretty much already sold coming into this election. Bernie never told me what he was going to do. He basically talked at me without saying anything. Still, his core ideas at a brushstroke largely fall in line with what I would like to see from a candidate.
I was thinking about this today. I realized that Hillary Clinton is a better progressive than Sanders.

I want free college, so the best way to do that is... To start seriously rethinking the American model. Cutting costs tremendously. Instituting serious, gradual reforms. Clinton already has a plan for that.

I want single payer healthcare, so the best way to do that is... To start seriously rethinking our prescription drug pricing model, slowing down healthcare costs dramatically, and instituting serious, gradual reforms that include expansions of federal programs, Medicare buy-in, etc. Clinton areas has a plan for this stuff.

I want a safer financial system. Clinton strengthens ours and reduces risk. Sanders puts us in danger by making institutions so small they are completely incapable of weathering serious meltdowns.

I want immigration reform. Clinton has been on the right side of history on this for pretty much ever. Bernie... let's just say that he's a new member of the team. And he isn't all on board. Sanders doesn't support work visa programs, for instance.

I want to repair the middle class. That involves investment in the economy. Bernie wants to shrink the economy and cause a depressionn by withdrawing from global free trade agreements.

So in a nutshell, I just don't trust Bernie to be as effective of a progressive as Hillary Clinton. And in fact Clinton might go down in history as a president just as good as Obama was. Back to back progressive icons! Imagine that.

Kamala 2024.
 

Clefargle

Member
The r/politics and YouTube comments are bleeding together and I cant tell the difference anymore. These Bernie or Bust folks are really grossing me out taking favorably about trump. It's so weird that they can say
" We can't trust Clinton, she flip flops" and then in the same post imply that Trump would be more trustworthy. Like, what fucking universe are you living in?
 

Wilsongt

Member
The r/politics and YouTube comments are bleeding together and I cant tell the difference anymore. These Bernie or Bust folks are really grossing me out taking favorably about trump. It's so weird that they can say
" We can't trust Clinton, she flip flops" and then in the same post imply that Trump would be more trustworthy. Like, what fucking universe are you living in?

The universe of never being a Democrat in the first place and probably being mysoginistic.

When Hillary is not indicted, I wonder what Hahaha will focus on as his attack?
 

TyrantII

Member
The r/politics and YouTube comments are bleeding together and I cant tell the difference anymore. These Bernie or Bust folks are really grossing me out taking favorably about trump. It's so weird that they can say
" We can't trust Clinton, she flip flops" and then in the same post imply that Trump would be more trustworthy. Like, what fucking universe are you living in?

Just more confirmation that there's nothing to worry about for November.
 
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