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PoliGAF 2016 |OT6| Delete your accounts

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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The 27 Dollar Bill, bwhaha

That segment... just wow.
So few people actually call out the Sanders campaign for where his supporters might have gotten the idea. (not here obviously, but in the media in general)
 
davepoobond

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
whyamihere said:
Do have a list of who you voted for by any chance? These random elections here always kill me.
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just a reminder im in LA county. for the party county committee i just chose 7 semi-random people -- as far as I was able to figure out its like a fundraising thing for the party so I'm not really concerned that much with who gets in. i chose 28, 30, 31, 32, 34, 35, 36 there.

state senator - Portantino 143

state assembly - Dalal 151 (kind of a tossup between him and 147, but 147 said "local control" on his site so i read that as a buzzword for secret republican. he's also from my hometown, which is pretty affluent. Also Dalal was more specific on a lot of issues)

161 (dem endorsement)
164 (looked at her site, she didnt seem like a scumbag)
171 (the other guy running had the Winston Churchill quote on his site, and had no substance on his issues or whatever)
175 (dem endorsement)
180 (i found literally nothing about the other guy. something i found said that the Santana guy is sick and the other is just running in case the other guy leaves or something)
186 (dem endorsement)
191 (dem endorsement)
220 (the only dem on the ticket apparently. I couldnt see anything republican or democrat for 219, so i didn't want to accidentally vote for a republican or some secret white nationalist, not that he looked like one, but you never know. I think Barger is favored to win and would be succeeding a longtime republican)
 
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excelsiorlef

Member
jack_package_200 said:
Sam Bee on the NV Dem convention fuckery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrGlaUo4JEE

Yeah she isn't having any of it. The comments are a graveyard.
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That was absolutely brutal and well deserved. Do glad someone had the nerve to actually say it in TV.


Samantha Bee is the other Superior Jon Stewart

Between this and Oliver's commentary

I'm honestly glad Jon "I don't think Clinton even knows what she stands for" Stewart actually isn't around.

This was an absolute burial of Sanders and so well earned.
 
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TheLostBigBoss

Banned
Chichikov said:
Live action Dilbert and a human protein shake.
Dead.

The whole video was great.

Yeah.
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CC really whiffed with Daily Show.

They gave Oliver the stage when Jon went on his thing and everyone saw he had major potential, only to have him leave and then Jon announce he's retiring like a year and a half later.

Then they had a really good opportunity to hand it over to Bee , no idea why they didn't approach her. Noah isn't funny and he really isn't even charismatic or anything.

Now Daily Show is nothing and Full Frontal and Last Week Tonight are the studs.

Reminds me of a team completely botching a draft and missing obvious talent because "well this dude is athletic and things"
 
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Beer Monkey

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Stop pretending that crossover voting isn't real.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...arty-officials-for-voting-in-gop-primary.html

A report on Ohio’s 2016 primary election from the secretary of state’s office last week showing more than a quarter of the GOP ballots in Mahoning County came from previously registered Democrats didn’t quite tell the full story.

It turns out that 18 of those crossover votes came from members of the county Democratic Party’s 232-member central committee. That prompted Chairman David Betras to kick them out.
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I'm sure there is plenty of crossing over going the other way. Especially now that the Republican party has a virtually guaranteed nominee.

Primaries should be closed. There's way too much potential for sabotage. Sorry, bros.
 
davepoobond

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
TheLostBigBoss said:
CC really whiffed with Daily Show.

They gave Oliver the stage when Jon went on his thing and everyone saw he had major potential, only to have him leave and then Jon announce he's retiring like a year and a half later.

Then they had a really good opportunity to hand it over to Bee , no idea why they didn't approach her. Noah isn't funny and he really isn't even charismatic or anything.

Now Daily Show is nothing and Full Frontal and Last Week Tonight are the studs.

Reminds me of a team completely botching a draft and missing obvious talent because "well this dude is athletic and things"
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i think as soon as they saw John Oliver doing so well they should have started making a show for him. not sure i can say the same for Bee, I never really liked her. She's better on her show for sure, i feel like she's not as "i'm super wacky aren't i funny" feeling that i get from some people
 
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TheLostBigBoss

Banned
Beer Monkey said:
Stop pretending that crossover voting isn't real.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...arty-officials-for-voting-in-gop-primary.html



I'm sure there is plenty of crossing over going the other way. Especially now that the Republican party has a virtually guaranteed nominee.

Primaries should be closed. There's way too much potential for sabotage. Sorry, bros.
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Semi-Closed primaries are the best solution.

Prevent cross-over manipulation and independents can vote for what ever party they want with same day registration.

Massachusetts has a very easy election system, semi-closed and I had no issue as I am an independent (will be switching to democrat after this election cycle).
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Their argument is that the Clinton administration said that regime change in Iraq should be the official policy based on the Iraq Liberation Act.

Bernie Sanders voted Yea on the Iraq Liberation Act.

My mind is full of fuck.
 
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excelsiorlef

Member
Macho Madness said:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-23-19-05-51
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So I was looking for this source on google because it was posted in another thread. I had forgotten it was posted here and was going to share it because Sanders threatening a messy convention is beyond hilarious to me given that he's acting like he has a path to victory instead of getting his ass kicked and when I threw this quote into google:

"Bernie Sanders predicted Monday that the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia could be "messy" as he pushed the party to adopt his progressive agenda, but added, "Democracy is not always nice and quiet and gentle."
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This is one of the hits I got:

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It's just a collection of recent Sanders/Clinton news particles but my god if that title didn't make me laugh

Also in other news Politco writes Bernie Sanders fanfiction

Sanders draws blood in war with Democratic leaders
He gains his first concessions from the DNC as he escalates his fight with the party establishment.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/url-bernie-sanders-democrats-establishment-platform-223495
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Officerrob said:
Sam Bee should have gotten The Daily Show
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Maybe. But then, just as with John Oliver's show, it's not like she and her team could magically deliver the same quality program four times a week.

excelsiorlef said:
I'm honestly glad Jon "I don't think Clinton even knows what she stands for" Stewart actually isn't around.
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He's got some kind of a short-form HBO deal going on... who knows when it'll start, but he'll be back... hopefully after taking another look at what's actually behind the campaigns this year. I didn't listen to that entire giant discussion, but the comment about Democrats causing Trump's rise was patently absurd.

Good segment, however. It's pretty... fascinating... to watch the difference in how Bee approaches Bernie's campaign compared to virtually every other late night host.
 
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excelsiorlef

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Dan said:
Maybe. But then, just as with John Oliver's show, it's not like she and her team could magically deliver the same quality program four times a week.


He's got some kind of a short-form HBO deal going on... who knows when it'll start, but he'll be back... hopefully after taking another look at what's actually behind the campaigns this year. I didn't listen to that entire giant discussion, but the comment about Democrats causing Trump's rise was patently absurd.

Good segment, however. It's pretty... fascinating... to watch the difference in how Bee approaches Bernie's campaign compared to virtually every other late night host.
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Stewart has always teetered a bit on that whole both parties are the same horseshit. His comments about the Democrats and Clinton were both ridiculous.

Hopefully if he comes back he actually focuses on Trump instead of some war of lesser evils crap.

Oliver took Sanders to task too but a bit nicer, oah has too but he's got no teeth (bu he was one of the first to actually go after Sanders so I give him credit). With Bee I guarantee it was what happened to Roberta Lange in Nevada that set her off the most, Bee has no time for men making excuses for women getting harassed.

Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la4wWpKDqrM
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
TheLostBigBoss said:
Semi-Closed primaries are the best solution.

Prevent cross-over manipulation and independents can vote for what ever party they want with same day registration.

Massachusetts has a very easy election system, semi-closed and I had no issue as I am an independent (will be switching to democrat after this election cycle).
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What reason would voters have to register for anything other than independent?
They can continue to feel superior to everyone else, only in this case they will technically be since they can vote in either primary every election.

After all, registering for Dem or Rep does not stop you from voting for anyone in the real election. You choose from the two available parties, than you influence it via your votes in the primary.
Unless of course you simply don't want to register for either, but in that case the primaries are just not for you.
No costs involved here.

I'm out for the evening.
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
excelsiorlef said:
Stewart has always teetered a bit on that whole both parties are the same horseshit.
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That's true, as with the Rally to Restore Sanity and other things, but blaming Democrats for Trump isn't even some kind of moderate stance or piece of false equivalence. That's a whole other kind of rewriting of reality.

excelsiorlef said:
Oliver took Sanders to task too but a bit nicer, oah has too but he's got no teeth (bu he was one of the first to actually go after Sanders so I give him credit). With Bee I guarantee it was what happened to Roberta Lange in Nevada that set her off the most, Bee has no time for men making excuses for women getting harassed.
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Bee's been pointedly hitting Bernie on a lot of things for months. The Daily Show has come to its senses, but them and Colbert spent months bending over backwards to paper over his campaign's bullshit. Whether it was genuine or some attempt to pander to the audience, it was a disappointing refusal to commit to skewering the people and situations in the news.
 
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Officerrob

Banned
Dan said:
Maybe. But then, just as with John Oliver's show, it's not like she and her team could magically deliver the same quality program four times a week.
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Perhaps, but I'd put money on her delivering better content than what Trevor Noah is putting out
 
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Wilsongt

Member
Alright, fuck Sanders. When pressed by NBC about whether he'd support the DNC when he loses, he completely avoided answering the question.
 
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excelsiorlef

Member
So I missed this beauty

HuffPo writer not named HA Goodman plays the Clinton's popular vote is a fraud game because caucuses game.


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/debunking-hillarys-specio_b_9972312.html

It's the standard ignore that the caucuses only make her lead like 2.9 million (low end 2.5 million) and argues that it should be based on Sanders' win% of each entire state's total population lmao.




Take a close look at Washington state, which Bernie won with 72.7% of the votes. RealClearPolitics gives him zero votes, with its 7.2 million population.
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And if you read the original article he wrote linked at the bottom of the HuffPo one he sincerelyis claiming that the caucus states would put Sanders in the lead in popular vote.

... winning a state with over seven million people? (actually, over 250,000 participated in the caucuses. Still those numbers don't reflect the size of the state's population.)


If you do the math on all the caucus states, Bernie's wins could easily represent populations that exceed Hillary's 2.5 million votes, not even including the primary state votes he won. It is insulting to the people of Washington to suggest that they be counted based on the 26,000 who voted in the caucuses.
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Reason I share this is because it has an added bonus true believer call to harass any media person on twitter who dares say Clinton is winning the popular vote by three million

When a journalist on a news network allows Hillary Clinton, her campaign manager or any of her many surrogates, employed by the networks or independent, to matter-of-factly state that Hillary has a popular vote lead, without challenging that claim, they are engaging in unethical, journalistic malpractice, or, framed another way, they are promoting the Hillary Clinton campaign.

If you observe the MSM engaging in this practice, call them on it. Tweet or share on Facebook the name of the “journalist” who gave the “pass.” Include the network’s twitter address and the journalist’s twitter @address. Make a stink about this.

This is a lie that should not be accepted, tolerated or allowed to persist.
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These people are fucking insane
 
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Deleted member 231381

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Wilsongt said:
Alright, fuck Sanders. When pressed by NBC about whether he'd support the DNC when he loses, he completely avoided answering the question.
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I don't understand why you felt the compulsion to make this post. Black Mamba has pointed out why Sanders had every incentive to do this, pigeon has pointed out why Sanders have every incentive to do this, I've pointed out why Sanders has every incentive to do this. This isn't some massive surprise, if he just says "I will support the DNC no matter what" he loses all leverage. This is literally politics 101, you may as well complain about water being wet.
 
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excelsiorlef

Member
Crab said:
I don't understand why you felt the compulsion to make this post. Black Mamba has pointed out why Sanders had every incentive to do this, pigeon has pointed out why Sanders have every incentive to do this, I've pointed out why Sanders has every incentive to do this. This isn't some massive surprise, if he just says "I will support the DNC no matter what" he loses all leverage. This is literally politics 101, you may as well complain about water being wet.
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Many of us are tired of a guy who has convincingly lost playing bullshit leverage games insteas of helping start the process to fight a white fucking nationalist.

And for me especially when he uses some of that leverage to put Cornel West on the platform committee
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
excelsiorlef said:
Many of us are tired of a guy who has convincingly lost playing bullshit leverage games insteas of helping start the process to fight a white fucking nationalist.

And for me especially when he uses some of that leverage to put Cornel West on the platform committee
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Clinton has 3 and a half months between the convention and the presidential. If she can't beat Trump in that time with 2 former presidents and Sanders campaigning for her, God help us all. There's literally no urgent need for Sanders to drop out now to start campaigning against Trump, other than the fact he rubs y'all up the wrong way.
 
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excelsiorlef

Member
Crab said:
Clinton has 3 and a half months between the convention and the presidential. If she can't beat Trump in that time with 2 former presidents and Sanders campaigning for her, God help us all. There's literally no urgent need for Sanders to drop out now to start campaigning against Trump, other than the fact he rubs y'all up the wrong way.
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If he even does it in any meaningful way.

Clinton was a political machine for Obama is 08 whereas Sanders can't even denounce death threats without accusing the victim of fraud and election theft.


Yeah he rubs me the wrong way. He's lost. It's over. Democracy has spoken and yet he's threaning to turn Philly into a circus.

I've seen what a messy convention looks like. It's called Nevada and the end result there was death threats and harassment of a woman while Sanders pondered if what she was wearing was the cause.
 
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royalan

Member
excelsiorlef said:
If he even does it in any meaningful way.

Clinton was a political machine for Obama is 08 whereas Sansers can't even denounce death threats without accusing the victim of fraud and election theft.


Yeah he rubs me the wrong way. He's lost. It's over. Democracy has spoken and yet he's threaning to turn Philly into a circus.

I've seen what a messy convention looks like. It's called Nevada and the end result there was death threats and harassment of a woman while Sanders pondered if what she was wearing was the cause.
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Amen.

Besides, isn't this the political community thread. Aren't we allowed to talk about things related to politics as long as we're not being inflammatory towards other posters or intentionally trolling?
 
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Deleted member 231381

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Clinton and Obama are ideologically identical and Clinton's future career was predicated on Obama's success; it's not comparable.
 
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excelsiorlef

Member
Crab said:
Clinton and Obama are ideologically identical and Clinton's future career was predicated on Obama's success; it's not comparable.
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Huh?

I know why Sanders doesn't really give a shit.

Doesn't mean I respect it.

I'm not convinced Mr The DNC and Clinton are frauds stealing the election from me is going to convincingly pivot to help Clinton. Especially if he turns Philly into Nevada part 2 like he's semi threatening.
 
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Amir0x

Banned
excelsiorlef said:
If he even does it in any meaningful way.

Clinton was a political machine for Obama is 08 whereas Sanders can't even denounce death threats without accusing the victim of fraud and election theft.


Yeah he rubs me the wrong way. He's lost. It's over. Democracy has spoken and yet he's threaning to turn Philly into a circus.

I've seen what a messy convention looks like. It's called Nevada and the end result there was death threats and harassment of a woman while Sanders pondered if what she was wearing was the cause.
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Basically, Bernie is an embarrassing candidate at this point. Never a revolution to begin with, not an Obama, not even a fucking Dukakis. His campaign is now entirely run on myths, outright fabrications and pretend outrage. It is the epitome of a bunch of losers trying desperately to stay in the spotlight. That he is bilking potential Democratic voters out of their hard earned cash for a campaign with literally zero percent chance of winning save Hillary being killed by a meteor strike is bad enough. That he is doing it by willfully misleading his supporters about the state of things regarding everything from the so-called "establishment" to basic rules of the process to whether a thing even happened or not that the whole world could see with their own fucking eyes was a lie is shameful.

All this, to tarnish what little good his message was doing, and leave his legacy in the shadow of Ross Perot. No calm down furious typers, I am not saying he should drop out. GOD FORBID I say his failed campaign should suspend!
 
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Wilsongt

Member
excelsiorlef said:
Huh?

I know why Sanders doesn't really give a shit.

Doesn't mean I respect it.

I'm not convinced Mr The DNC and Clinton are frauds stealing the election from me is going to convincingly pivot to help Clinton. Especially if he turns Philly into Nevada part 2 like he's semi threatening.
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Ssshhh. No criticisms, just acceptance.
 
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