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[balladofwindfishes]

ACLU got the stay, applied to the entire country.

Looks like Trump's heading to court.

 

[metalslimer]

ACLU got the stay, applied to the entire country.

Looks like Trump's heading to court.

It can't be stressed enough how important this battle is about to be

 

[Diablos]

ACLU got the stay, applied to the entire country.

Looks like Trump's heading to court.

I'm so embarrassed to be an American right now

 

[Mike M]

Realistically, how much can Trump bring to bear in prosecuting what I'm sure will be his new feud with the ACLU? Is there much he can do besides paint a target on them with Twitter and urge his sociopathic supporters to "take action?"

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I am inspired by how bad Trump's lawyers usually are.

 

[metalslimer]

I am inspired by how bad Trump's lawyers usually are.

The result of moving far too quickly although you would think bannon would have been on this since November

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

It can't be stressed enough how important this battle is about to be

Said it on OT, this was Lexington and Concorde.

 

[Diablos]

Said it on OT, this was Lexington and Concorde.

Please don't be right. We can't go down that spiral

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The result of moving far too quickly although you would think bannon would have been on this since November

Bannon is a lazy fuck, have you seen his appearance?

I remember when Trump's lawyer was trying to scream voter fraud in Nevada and he got laughed out of court because he was incoherent.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Please don't be right. We can't go down that spiral

As in the first shots fired, a lot more and bigger fights coming. Hopefully we don't need muskets by the end.

 

[PowerTaxi]

Speaking as an outsider here but if this goes to the SC, how soon can they rule on it?

 

[Dierce]

Speaking as an outsider here but if this goes to the SC, how soon can they rule on it?

From what I understand a split decision (which would be the worst possible option for us) would still rule in favor of the lower courts and therefore the stay would remain. I'm not sure how soon though.

 

[kess]

We're barreling into the biggest constitutional crisis in decades with a vacant Supreme Court seat. Fuck all the apologists who carried water for the GOP on this.

 

[Taiser]

Is every week going to be like this ?

Jesus fuckin' christ ...

 

[Diablos]

Is every week going to be like this ?

Jesus fuckin' christ ...

It's really not healthy for anyone. This is insane.

 

[smokeymicpot]

Jeffrey Lord is such a fucking hack.

What did he do now?

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Bannon is the new Karl Rove.

 

[Diablos]

Bannon is the new Karl Rove.

Rove was not this bad.

What did he do now?

He was born.

 

[badrang]

Is every week going to be like this ?

Jesus fuckin' christ ...

Trump is a dangerous, ignorant incompetent that has surrounded himself with the worst of humanity.

So yes, it will be like this every week.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Bannon is a lazy fuck, have you seen his appearance?

I remember when Trump's lawyer was trying to scream voter fraud in Nevada and he got laughed out of court because he was incoherent.

Puh-leaaaase le tthis guy still be his lawyer.

 

[metalslimer]

Could we say Trumps handling of this was....masterful?

 

[Gruco]

Personally, I have to say that this is just so much winning, I might even be getting tired of winning so much.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

He was born.

Lmao

As depressing as this thread can be at times, it makes me legit laugh at least a couple times a day

 

[Diablos]

Playing FFX tonight. I'm at the part where you're forced to play Blitzball. I hate Jeff Lord more than Blitzball.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

ACLU got the stay, applied to the entire country.

Looks like Trump's heading to court.

I'm pretty sure, especially under the laws passed during Bush Jr's two terms, that the department of homeland security has complete jurisdiction here and that this is well within the power of the executive. The only caveat I can think of is that this can't apply to citizens, probably.

 

[Diablos]

I'm pretty sure, especially under the laws passed during Bush Jr's two terms, that the department of homeland security has complete jurisdiction here and that this is well within the power of the executive. The only caveat I can think of is that this can't apply to citizens, probably.

Ugh

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I'm pretty sure, especially under the laws passed during Bush Jr's two terms, that the department of homeland security has complete jurisdiction here and that this is well within the power of the executive. The only caveat I can think of is that this can't apply to citizens, probably.

I think it's completely legal to block immigration from certain countries, but I'm not sure they can bar permanent residents with proper documentation from re-entering the country.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Could we say Trumps handling of this was....masterful?

Bannon didn't leave Cheeto stains on the final draft of the order and wrote it in only three hours. Masterful.

 

[thefro]

So out of the DNC chair candidates (they had a forum in Dallas earlier today):

Pete Buttigieg is at Dallas airport with the protestors there, Tom Perez claims to be on the way. Jehmu Greene is on a flight from Dallas to JFK to join protestors there.

Haven't heard about the rest.

Edit: Jaime Harrison & Tom Perez are both there now with Buttigieg

 

[B-Dubs]

Playing FFX tonight. I'm at the part where you're forced to play Blitzball. I hate Jeff Lord more than Blitzball.

Blitzball is pretty cool once you are able to build a good team, before that it blows though.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

I think it's completely legal to block immigration from certain countries, but I'm not sure they can bar permanent residents with proper documentation from re-entering the country.

It's not unless Congress passes a new law.

They could ban based on religion (that's not protected, only nationality/country of birth is), but that would be wildly unpopular.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

It's not unless Congress passes a new law.

They could ban based on religion (that's not protected, only nationality/country of birth is), but that would be wildly unpopular.

Oh, okay

So this is a pretty cut and dry case then.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Bannon is the new Karl Rove.

Not even slightly comparable.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I think it's completely legal to block immigration from certain countries, but I'm not sure they can bar permanent residents with proper documentation from re-entering the country.

We do all the time. It's called a no-fly list. It's why Mos Def can't get back in the country. Bush set up the framework for the fascists a long time ago.

 

[Vixdean]

Yeah they are never going to get a judge to throw out the EO entirely, Presidents have always had the power to do this sort of thing. It would be up to Congress to change the law.

 

[B-Dubs]

Yeah they are never going to get a judge to throw out the EO entirely, Presidents have always had the power to do this sort of thing. It would be up to Congress to change the law.

They can at least get it scaled back, which isn't nothing.

 

[Plinko]

Juliette Kayyem
Juliette Kayyem‏ @juliettekayyem

Hearing that customs officials in tears because they can't get guidance from White House, DHS not returning calls, etc and crowds growing.

.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

Oh, okay

So this is a pretty cut and dry case then.

I hope so. There's a little precedent, too. There was a government policy in the 90s that required Vietnamese who were living in Hong Kong to go back to Vietnam to apply for a visa, whereas any other applicants could apply anywhere they want. A federal appeals court blocked it. It's not a 1:1 situation but still relevant, I think.

It sounds like Trump is planning on using the 1952 law to justify this, but that doesn't justify banning entire countries. He could probably narrow it down more and target certain groups, like other presidents have done.

Or maybe all precedent will be thrown out the window and it'll be upheld. Who the fuck knows anymore?

 

[greatgeek]

So if

Spoiler

when

Trump refuses to comply with a federal court order, then he be impeached, right? You would think that's impeachable.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

So if

Spoiler

when

Trump refuses to comply with a federal court order, then he be impeached, right? You would think that's impeachable.

He can be impeached for just about anything Congress wants. Problem is that Congress has to want it.

 

[Wilsongt]

I am now in firm belief that Trump supporters who say this is perfectly fine are an absolute lost cause to anything logical. The Democratic party needs to reach out and harness that outrage to bring people to together to help them realize that they can make this all stop.

 

[RustyNails]

So if

Spoiler

when

Trump refuses to comply with a federal court order, then he be impeached, right? You would think that's impeachable.

They will just say Supreme Court is establishment/fake news. Jeffrey Lord will bring up Dredd Scott decision to explain why Supreme Court needs to be "reformed". And so it goes.

 

[shinra-bansho]

It's not legal to bar immigrants, based on national origin, as noted in the link above. That doesn't cover those who are temporary entrants.

Also, a religious ban, on top of being basically impossible to administer, would not pass constitutional muster according to Laurence Tribe.

 

[B-Dubs]

It's not legal to bar immigrants, based on national origin, as noted in the link above. That doesn't cover those who are temporary entrants.

Also, a religious ban, on top of being basically impossible to administer, would not pass constitutional muster according to Laurence Tribe.

A religious ban seems blatantly unconstitutional. I'm not sure how they ever expected it to hold up in court unless they were going to go the Jackson route and tell the judiciary to go fuck itself.

 

[RustyNails]

It's not legal to bar immigrants, based on national origin, as noted in the link above. That doesn't cover those who are temporary entrants.

Also, a religious ban, on top of being basically impossible to administer, would not pass constitutional muster according to Laurence Tribe.

That depends on if they convince somehow that Islam is an ideology and not a religion. It probably hinges on that.

 

[B-Dubs]

That depends on if they convince somehow that Islam is an ideology and not a religion. It probably hinges on that.

It doesn't seem likely at all. If Islam was something new, then maybe, but for a religion that's 1000's of years old?

 

[sazzy]

TV channels in Pakistan are headlining news with "America at war with Muslims".

 

[royalan]

So if

Spoiler

when

Trump refuses to comply with a federal court order, then he be impeached, right? You would think that's impeachable.

That's not the problem. Trump could be impeached now. Trump is currently in violation of the emoluments clauses of our Constitution.

Congress isn't refusing to initiate the impeachment process because there's nothing on Trump. It's because the Republicans don't want to, because they're scum, and Trump is their useful idiot.

 

[B-Dubs]

TV channels in Pakistan are headlining news with "America at war with Muslims".

Giving ISIS the exact headlines they've been looking for, good job Trump. He's just made them even more potent.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

That depends on if they convince somehow that Islam is an ideology and not a religion. It probably hinges on that.

That would set the precedent to basically eliminate the first amendment's religious protection, if the government can start just labeling religions as ideologies and not religions.