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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love

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SourBear

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My best guess is that cyber-security EO people are rumor-milling about is going to be on encryption and how tech. companies must find a way to build back doors into their encryption.

Or something along those stupid ass lines that will be impossible to do in a secure way because math.
 
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nature boy

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https://apnews.com/98c2a8cac3b74bde...wback-from-Cabinet,-diplomats-for-refugee-ban

At least three top national security officials — Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly and Rex Tillerson, who is awaiting confirmation to lead the State Department — have told associates they were not aware of details of directive until around the time Trump signed it. Leading intelligence officials were also left largely in the dark, according to U.S. officials.

Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations committee, said that despite White House assurances that congressional leaders were consulted, he learned about the order in the media.

The fallout was immediate: friction between Trump and his top advisers and a rush by the Pentagon to seek exemptions to the policy. The White House approach also sparked an unusually public clash between a president and the civil servants tasked with carrying out his policy.

A large group of American diplomats circulated a memo voicing their opposition to the order, which temporarily halted the entire U.S. refugee program and banned all entries from seven Muslim-majority nations for 90 days. In a startlingly combative response, White House spokesman Sean Spicer challenged those opposed to the measure to resign.

"They should either get with the program or they can go," Spicer said.

The blowback underscored Trump's tenuous relationship with his own national security advisers, many of whom he met for the first time during the transition, as well as with the government bureaucracy he now leads. While Trump outlined his plan for temporarily halting entry to the U.S. from countries with terror ties during the campaign, the confusing way in which it finally was crafted stunned some who have joined his team.

Mattis, who stood next to Trump during Friday's signing ceremony, is said to be particularly incensed. A senior U.S. official said Mattis, along with Joint Chiefs Chairman Joseph Dunford, was aware of the general concept of Trump's order but not the details. Tillerson has told the president's political advisers that he was baffled over not being consulted on the substance of the order.



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Trump's order pauses America's entire refugee program for four months and indefinitely bans all those from war-ravaged Syria. Critics dispute the president's assertion that the policy is needed to keep Americans safe, noting that recent acts of extremist violence have been carried out either by U.S. citizens or by individuals whose families weren't from the nations singled out in the order.

The president has privately acknowledged flaws in the rollout, according to a person with knowledge of his thinking. But he's also blamed the media — his frequent target — for what he believes are reports exaggerating the dissent and the number of people actually affected.

Trump has also said he believes the voters who carried him to victory support the plan as a necessary step to safeguard the nation. And he's dismissed objectors as attention-seeking rabble-rousers and grandstanding politicians.
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Nice! /s
 
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ErasureAcer

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SourBear said:
My best guess is that cyber-security EO people are rumor-milling about is going to be on encryption and how tech. companies must find a way to build back doors into their encryption.

Or something along those stupid ass lines that will be impossible to do in a secure way because math.
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Russia is going to steal everyone's money through these back doors aren't they?
 
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metalslimer

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Mattis will be gone within a year. There is no way that level of friction can coexist.

Hell look at Ash Carter and Obama and that was far less tense.
 
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Dan

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Foreign Policy - Steve Bannon Is Making Sure There’s No White House Paper Trail, Says Intel Source
Even before he was given a formal seat on the National Security Council’s “principals committee” this weekend by President Donald Trump, Bannon was calling the shots and doing so with little to no input from the National Security Council staff, according to an intelligence official who asked not to be named out of fear of retribution.

“He is running a cabal, almost like a shadow NSC,” the official said. He described a work environment where there is little appetite for dissenting opinions, shockingly no paper trail of what’s being discussed and agreed upon at meetings, and no guidance or encouragement so far from above about how the National Security Council staff should be organized.
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Under previous administrations, if someone thought another person or directorate had a stake in the issue at hand or expertise in a subject area, he or she was free to share the papers as long as the recipient had proper clearance.

With that standard in mind, when some officials saw Trump’s draft executive orders, they felt they had broad impact and shared them more widely for staffing and comments.

That did not sit well with Bannon or his staff, according to the official. More stringent guidelines for handling and routing were then instituted, and the National Security Council staff was largely cut out of the process.
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The lack of a paper trail documenting the decision-making process is also troubling, the intelligence official said. For example, under previous administrations, after a principals or deputies meeting of the National Security Council, the discussion, the final agreement, and the recommendations would be written up in what’s called a “summary of conclusions” — or SOC in government-speak.

“Under [President George W. Bush], the National Security Council was quite strict about recording SOCs,” said Matthew Waxman, a law professor at Columbia University who served on Bush’s National Security Council. “There was often a high level of generality, and there may have been some exceptions, but they were carefully crafted.”

These summaries also provided a record to refer back to, especially important if a debate over an issue came up again, including among agencies that needed to implement the conclusions reached.

If someone thought the discussion was mischaracterized, he or she would call for a correction to be issued to set the record straight, said Loren DeJonge Schulman, who previously served in former President Barack Obama’s administration as a senior advisor to National Security Advisor Susan Rice. Schulman is now a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security.

“People took the document seriously,” she said.

During the first week of the Trump administration, there were no SOCs, the intelligence official said. In fact, according to him, there is surprisingly very little paper being generated, and whatever paper there is, the NSC staff is not privy to it. He sees this as a deterioration of transparency and accountability.

“It would worry me if written records of these meeting were eliminated, because they contribute to good governance,” Waxman said.

It is equally important that NSC staff be the ones drafting the issue papers going into meetings, too, said Schulman. “The idea is to share with everyone a fair and balanced take on the issue, with the range of viewpoints captured in that document,” she said.

If those papers are now being generated by political staff, she added, it corrupts the whole process.
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Bannon's making sure there aren't paper trails, and even when they exist, only very select few have access.

nature boy said:
https://apnews.com/98c2a8cac3b74bde...wback-from-Cabinet,-diplomats-for-refugee-ban


Nice! /s
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What kind of asshole agrees to be part of a photo op for the signing of an executive order that he hasn't actually read?
 
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Chumley

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Pod Save America really needs to get some of the guests in the studio. Listening to 30 minute interview over shit-ass phone quality audio sucks.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
A day or two ago I mentioned that I thought the only real way Trump/GOP would be scared by reaction is if businesses stood up and said, "no."

Ladies and gentlemen, let the games begin:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon...o-counter-trumps-immigration-order-1485814300

Amazon.com Inc. Chief Executive Jeff Bezos said the e-commerce giant is working with lawmakers and state officials to explore legal options to counter President Donald Trump’s executive order on immigration.
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Seriously, if corporations stand up to fight, this is what is going to have the biggest effect.
 
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tuxfool

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Alt-timeline:

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Ether_Snake

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With every passing day I feel it's increasingly likely Bannon will try to get Mattis and a few others arrested for plotting a non-existant coup. For a moment it would be the administration's word VS whoever would say the story is bullshit, mainly the media and some in congress. GOP would say we gotta wait to have all the facts, Dems would act like they are worried but won't want to go all out and claim it's a lie because they don't know for sure. It could take quite some time for the dust to settle, Trump and Co. don't have to take control of the military, all they would need is sow confusion, as people wonder what's true or not, and carry out arrests of whoever needs to be arrested. Everyone suddenly becomes a potential coup-conspirator or supporter, and national security warrants arrests.

If the situation is particularly worrying, China would go on full alert, and then Trump and Co. just have to use the fear it would generate to settle down the army and take control, the "real" immediate threat being outside, go full on executive-branch-only. Not a shot fired.

edit: Why is all the security staff bald-headed?
 
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sc0la

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nature boy

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House Judic staff worked w/WH on EO. DIDNT TELL leaders OR boss. We r told signed NDAs. w/ @JakeSherman & @jdawsey1
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-immigration-congress-order-234392

Hill staffers secretly worked on Trump's immigration order

Senior staffers on the House Judiciary Committee helped Donald Trump's top aides draft the executive order curbing immigration from seven Muslim-majority nations, but the Republican committee chairman and party leadership were not informed, according to multiple sources involved in the process.

The news of their involvement helps unlock the mystery of whether the White House consulted Capitol Hill about the executive order, one of many questions raised in the days after it was unveiled on Friday. It confirms that the small group of staffers were among the only people on Capitol Hill who knew of the looming controversial policy.

Kathryn Rexrode, the House Judiciary Committee's communications director, declined to comment about the aides' work. A Judiciary Committee aide said Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) was not "consulted by the administration on the executive order."

The work of the committee aides began during the transition period after the election and before Donald Trump was sworn in. The staffers signed nondisclosure agreements, according to two sources familiar with the matter. Trump's transition operation forced its staff to sign these agreements, but it would be unusual to extend that requirement to congressional employees. Rexrode declined to comment on the nondisclosure pacts.

It's extremely rare for administration officials to circumvent Republican leadership and work directly with congressional committee aides. But the House Judiciary Committee has some of the most experienced staffers when it comes to immigration policy.
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More at the link
 
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nature boy

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CygnusXS said:
So those staffers should lose their jobs, no?
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They should, I doubt they will though. Rs in Congress will be annoyed and more along, unless there's a lawsuit (over FOIA requests) and it gets media attention.

If the President had a (D) next to his/her name, it would've been WWIII to conservative media.

In Trump reality, it's thisisfine #560459
 
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mo60

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Cesare Borgia said:
Do they know NDAs aren't enforceable in federal court? This is not a coup, it's amateur hour.

It's like he doesn't even realize the entire GOP leadership and most House/senate republicans really like Mike Pence. And this entire thing might just be an ethics violation....
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Trump's administration so far has a complete and utter mess in terms of organization. Trump's signed a lot of executive orders in the last week or so with little to no break in between these EO's. He keeps on posting awful things on twitter and saying awful stuff outside of twitter. The executive branch is now signing EO's without the legislative branch having a look at them and etc. Also various members of his administration like Mike Flynn Sr have disappeared off of the map and Bannon is trying to also gain more power now to.
 
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BreezyLimbo

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Crocodile said:
I just saw an ad by the AARP calling out Trump & Republicans for coming at SS and Medicare. They are clearly ready to fight.
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Good, good. Let it go in a blazing glory.

Republicans will have to change their messaging after Trump. The funny part is that Trump winning the presidency is worse than if he lost, for the GOP.
 
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neurosisxeno

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More_Badass said:
So like Republicans got to realize they got a loose cannon they can't control, right? Two weeks, and he's already secretly doing things without informing the leadership and officals of his own party
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The article says they started during the transition. He's been completely subverting Republican Leadership since he started running. Republicans are not in control of this guy like we feared, it's worse. A white supremacist is the one in control of him.
 
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