Seriously. You primary him and you'll lose 100%. Not saying he'll win, but moving to the left only decreases your odds. You don't want to pull a Tea Party and reduce your odds in key races.
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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Though I do completely understand every Dem who hates Manchin since you know... Manchin is a racist.
Like a week or two after being put ON NOTICE, Iran tested another missile from the very same spot.
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/829467067124379648
Like a week or two after being put ON NOTICE, Iran tested another missile from the very same spot.
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/829467067124379648
OrangeGrayBlue
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As a native West Virginian, I can assure everyone that Manchin is as far left as the state is willing to tolerate. And even then I wouldn't be surprised if they kick him out as a matter of party loyalty, effectively completing WV's swing away from its blue collar democratic roots.
If I recall, a Democrat won WV's last gubernatorial race, narrowly, because A) he was a republican until a year prior and B) his opponent was *literally* a sleazy used car salesman.
NihonTiger90
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I don't think you have to primary Manchin. He won't survive re-election in this climate.
RastaMentality
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Whoever primaries him will lose. He's about as left you're getting in that state. People need to understand this. I hate the man but it's true.
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Politics is a boys club first and foremost and Sessions is a sitting Senator. The majority of opposition to him came from Senators who were still qualifying their opposition by citing their long friendship with the man.
Aaron Strife
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The governor was also an oil tycoon. That's who wins as a Democrat in West Virginia.
NihonTiger90
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I agree. I meant in the general; the Republicans will run to the right of him and crush him. West Virginia is a lost cause.
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So is our Secretary of State.
Bonen no Max'd
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I prefer to think his victory comes more from the fact that his name is Jim Justice than anything.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't think it's a winning strategy to run to the right on economics in WV.
But I guess they could run to Manchin's right on white nationalism. Maybe the R candidate will have a racial slur in their slogan.
Dominican Power
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Yeah. Probably by like 5 to 10 percent like that West Virigina governor democratic candidate last year
metalslimer
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Holy fuck at this Rachel Maddow backstory on Bob Jones University
And of course at leads to how Sessions is a racist shitstain
And of course at leads to how Sessions is a racist shitstain
She is going HAM tonight.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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For every man who kills their wife/gf thanks to this decriminalization of domestic violence, a Russian legislator from Putin's party should be assassinated imo.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The Christian Orthodox Church pushing for the decriminalization of domestic violence is good evidence that religion is evil and only expresses any liberalism under intense political pressure.
Bonen no Max'd
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Was this supposed to be "When Sessions was confirmed"? Because otherwise this makes no sense lol
Yes, Sessions.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That's a broad blanket to put over all religion when one type of church is doing it.
Oops, yeah.
RastaMentality
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It's so clear now why so many people didn't want Schumer for Minority leader. At least you don't see Pelosi saying this bullsht.
People like Manchin are just on borrowed time anyway. Ditto with Tester, Donnolly, McCaskill, & Heitkamp. Primaring them would be a fools errand. Once they lose or retire that's it until who knows how long. Same goes for Collins, Heller and Gardner.
AR and WV are so interesting since they took a decade longer to complete their R shift unlike their surrounding counterparts years earlier. The whites in the midwest may soon join their plains and southerns brothers.
AR and WV are so interesting since they took a decade longer to complete their R shift unlike their surrounding counterparts years earlier. The whites in the midwest may soon join their plains and southerns brothers.
sazzy
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The WSJ had a similar editorial.
Its an interesting perspective, and I don't know enough about union politics to decide which perspective is likely to play out.
I guess we'll see.
Unions aren't sending their kids to private school.
Tsk tsk, dont you know that violence solves nothing?
Bonen no Max'd
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And it might be national soon!
Given mainstream Democratic support for charter schools teacher unions are probably next on the chopping block now.
edit: though props to Montana and Alaska for holding strong there, the only red states on the map I think.
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I think the empirical evidence does lean that way in democracies.
But in dictatorships... I mean, there's not many solutions other than just killing all of the members of government.
Cesare Borgia
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The OT threads on this...
"dems are so stupid, they need a 50 state strategy"
"primary Manchin"
which is it...
Manchin is the best you're gonna get in WV. Those are exactly the type of democrats you're gonna need if you want a "50 state strategy." And the same people clamoring for it will be the same people bitching about a revival of blue dogs.
"dems are so stupid, they need a 50 state strategy"
"primary Manchin"
which is it...
Manchin is the best you're gonna get in WV. Those are exactly the type of democrats you're gonna need if you want a "50 state strategy." And the same people clamoring for it will be the same people bitching about a revival of blue dogs.
"I think most people can relate to the fact that a father, a doting father with very successful children is going to look after those children and, you know, if he sees something going wrong, he's going to call it out."
Can they? Can most people relate to a rich guy attacking a company for dropping his daughter's poorly performing fashion line?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I mean, there are a lot of liberals who want to be hopeful about the world and don't want to have to think "to win in the South and WV, you have to be a white supremacist."
It's a depressing world to know that you can't win certain states without running white supremacists who would gladly put Muslims in camps.
Spoiled Milk
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How the hell do you know those are the same people?
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When calling some a racist is somehow more offensive than actual racism.
It's really insane. I guess it's just that being a racist has become so socially unacceptable, that it is now up there with accusing someone of being a child molester or rapist, and therefore it cannot be done without incriminating evidence of the accused admitting to being a racist or something.
Abinash117
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The 50 state strategy is likely a buzzword or term for some. I'm pretty sure some that states we need a strategy like that doesn't know what it entails.
Some mistake it for needing to push ultra liberals in every race in every part of the country, instead of acknowledging local differences and issues.
Bonen no Max'd
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tbh I'm not convinced the 50 state strategy is super awesome. I mean, maybe, but if all politics is national now I'm not sure how much trying to localize them will work.
I'm more a fan of conviction politics now that I know the term. Maybe I should change my avatar to Tom Perriello since I talk about him so much.
I'm more a fan of conviction politics now that I know the term. Maybe I should change my avatar to Tom Perriello since I talk about him so much.
This is what Obama thought.
He was wrong. You need that state/local infrastructure in place.
Is this synonymous with "base politics" (Rile up your base and they will push you over the edge)?
Can't win with a base race when you're outnumbered.
Can't win when you don't invest the resources to push out the base you DO have either.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I mean, we were kind of running a 50 state strategy in the past by having racists run in the South under the D banner.
It's just that Southerners stopped voting for any Dem after a black man got elected president... And it's hard to run a "50 state strategy" when white Southerners won't vote for your candidates regardless of how locally suited they are.
It's just that Southerners stopped voting for any Dem after a black man got elected president... And it's hard to run a "50 state strategy" when white Southerners won't vote for your candidates regardless of how locally suited they are.
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