Like I was saying earlier, hammering in the narrative that Trump is incompetent is likely something that can actually defang him. All this stuff about Flynn makes Trump look like a dope. Either he hired a (potential) traitor who lied to him, or he hired an idiot. Both work!
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CNN said the same thing
not surprised, Trump hates to admit he was wrong. How long did it take to get rid of Lewandowski, Manafort, etc.
Not wanting to fire a guy that made a fool of your and your administration isn't a good look
CrimzonSamurai
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I'm glad that pence took a little shrapnel from this. If impeachment ever does happen we can already start building the case that Pence is no better suited for the office.
Not only that, but you can build a case that he helped cover it up as a result of the last few days. We're at the point where if Trump goes over the Russian connection then Pence likely does as well.
She's probably just a useful idiot, but nothing would shock me at this point.
aspiegamer
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Aaaaaaaaahahaha. Oh my. My schadenfreude sensor is triggering but I'm working hard to keep myself in check because the situation of a Presidential inner circle compromised by Russia is horrifying.
Blood in the water now. Whether he sent a resignation letter vs getting canned is meaningless. Not fooling anyone with that this time. I eagerly look forward to the congressional investig--yeah no, despite this being a bigger scandal than Obama had in 8 full years. Obama would have been impeached for something like this, undoubtedly.
Blood in the water now. Whether he sent a resignation letter vs getting canned is meaningless. Not fooling anyone with that this time. I eagerly look forward to the congressional investig--yeah no, despite this being a bigger scandal than Obama had in 8 full years. Obama would have been impeached for something like this, undoubtedly.
The story today that they kept him on after the DOJ warned them means Trump can't hide from this. He looks incompetent (shockingly)
BoosterDuck
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well Trump did say he was going to drain the swamp
Fenderputty
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I meant with regards to doing nothing when in complete control after running on repeal for 6 years
newshinycd
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omg that makes it worse. Trump was going to WAIT and let the Flynn make the decision? Trump was going to "give him time" knowing that he was a national security risk?
I can't even
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The GOP got into power, immediately started a sequel to Iran-Contra and Watergate and managed to accomplish 0% of their agenda.
Masterful.
Masterful.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
I see it as more Trump knew what would happen if he leaves. Hoping he can make a distraction like during the campaign but all eyes are on him now.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Legion of Doom ranked prior.
1. Trump
2. Bannon
3. Flynn
4. Sessions
5. Miller
6. Ryan
7. McConnell
8. Comey
9. Chaffetz
10. Tillerson
One down!
1. Trump
2. Bannon
3. Flynn
4. Sessions
5. Miller
6. Ryan
7. McConnell
8. Comey
9. Chaffetz
10. Tillerson
One down!
If I were to speculate on what Hillary is currently thinking, it would be word-for-word this ^
She must be fucking loving it... And hating it... And loving it.
People thinking this is bad for Trump are fooling themselves. Go look at British politics during the late 80s/first half of the 90s if you want to see how easy it is for an administration to survive controversy. Bribery, affairs, incompetence, perjury. And still it took til '97 for the Conservatives to lose their grip on power.
I mean, I'd love it if this were the turning point, but I doubt it is. :/
Aaron Strife
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Scandal destroyed Bush and the GOP in 06.
Not saying it will this time though.
Also we need to remember that every election basically serves as a reset. If Trump loses 538-0 in 2020 and Democrats win 300 House seats I still don't want to read any "the Republican Party is dead!" articles. They'll be back.
I'm not sure if that's worse than when they played the Kazakh anthem from Borat in Kuwait that time.
JesseEwiak
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Yup. The positive of elections for Democrats all the time in the US right now is that it doesn't allow time for the party in power to pick up the pieces and reestablish itself as competent.
OTOH, the negative for us at the moment is that no party can be consigned to the dustbin of history for a decade plus like what happened to both Labour and Conservatives (and Labour again seemingly).
RustyNails
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I wonder who booted him. Bannon? Priebus? Because I actually kinda believe that Trump did not force him out. Always show strength and all that 3rd grade macho bullshit he adheres to.
Putin? We probably won't find out til the end of the week.
Trump has proven himself quite immune to the taint of scandals so far - and there have been so many - and with Chaffetz being as two-faced as they come, I'm not expecting much.
Like I say, though, I'd love for me to be wrong.
Bonen no Max'd
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Maybe it will die and we'll get a Labor party in its place.
Ha.
Remember when that was the fantasy?
Given the way the GOP is able to form its coalition by sheer hatred, I wonder what the parties would look like if we had a system conducive to multiple parties. Other than some vaguely center-right Kasich-style party that gets 5% of the vote I don't even know what the rest would look like. Would it just be one big "fuck brown people" party even if we had PR?
Hmmm to be honest I think the best option is for the GOP to throw Trump under the bus now, out Pence in power, replace the whole cabinet, and then do pretty much nothing for the next couple of years while pointing the finger at Obama and Trump while asking the electorate for "more time".
That is surely better than letting this train wreck play out.
Of course, Trumps best move is to do a power grab under the guise of rooting out traitors and overseas influence. If he moved swiftly and aggressively enough he could ignore legal challenges, discredit and put dissenters "under investigation", claim some sort of "state of emergency" etc
In other words, double down, and accelerate the plan using this event as a catalyst.
GutsOfThor
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I'd like to imagine Hillary having a hearty cackle. Like, from deep in the gut.
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Got my personal contender for Tweet of the Year:
https://twitter.com/Ugarles/status/831374042619846657
https://twitter.com/Ugarles/status/831374042619846657
Officerrob
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Joy Reid coming on for live coverage at 1am Eastern for those lucky enough to still be awake
Aaron Strife
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Calling Hillary queen is why we lost
JesseEwiak
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I mean, if we had pure PR, it'd be something like this
3-5% - Hardcore Jacobin/socialist/Green type party
15-20% - Social Democratic Party
20-25% - New Democrat-ish Party
3-5% - FDP-ish type 'liberal' in the European sense for Ryan/Kasich/Rubio types
5-10% - Some type of hawkish neocon party that is home to McCain/Graham types.
15-20% - New-ish 'American First' party led by Trump
15-20% - Christian Heritage party led by Cruz, likely lost a lot of seats to Trump's party
3-5% - Hardcore straight-up white supremacist party
Can't tell if serious or not.
I read that Fox was running an O'Reilly repeat when this news broke and they were just running a Tucker Carlson repeat. Have they even acknowledged this news at all?
whyamihere
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I'd like to imagine Hillary having a hearty cackle. Like, from deep in the gut.
I legitimately miss her.
Bam Bam Baklava
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You and her family are probably the only ones.
Officerrob
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No idea, but it's a Hannity replay right now
Aaron Strife
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whyamihere
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This is bad #content.
At some point she needed to unleash the inner snark demon that kept poking through, but 60+ years of suppressing it in public was too much.
Also alt facts #content as well.
lol
double-lol
Yeah.
They are reaping what they sowed.
And it does not make me happy to say that.
lol
double-lol
Yeah.
Basically they want someone it will take the press more than 30 seconds to take down.
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