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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love

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JP_

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Some conservatives that I follow on Twitter:

- Ana Navarro
- Evan McMullin
- David Frum
- Bill Kristol

Basically, the conservatives worth following on Twitter are the ones that are constantly calling out Trump.

If I get the chance, I'm hoping to see if I can convince these antiTrump conservatives to help the campaigns of pro-free-trade democrats.

Listening to conservative intellectuals, they're often closer to elected dems than they are to elected republicans. I had the same thought that they should team up with dems to find actual solutions.

One example was fighting poverty and dealing with automation. Instead of raising the minimum wage or implementing an unconditional universal income, Reihan Salam of the National Review suggests wage subsides where the corporation would pay whatever, but the government would pad that salary up to a minimum wage as an incentive to work.

I think dems would be very open to that idea. Current elected republicans would enthusiastically balk at it.
 
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thepotatoman

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- Make sure your nominee can debate their opponent, not waste time attacking the POTUS nominee during a VP debate. (Kaine flunked the VP debate because he wasted too much time focusing on Trump rather than his opponent)

If VP debates didn't matter, it's a good idea to just spend the time doing a proxy president debate.

Problem is that with Trump the VP really did did matter, since a lot of people were thinking that people like pence would be keeping him in line.
 
These boycotting Democrats are stupidly squandering the moment John Lewis opened up for them.

Instead of relitigating the issues from the election re: gold start families and the personal attack on John Lewis, they need to be HAMMERIG that they're boycotting until Congress conducts a thorough and non partisan investigations into Trump's Russian ties.

The crux of the issue is not that he insulted John Lewis; it's that there's a real possibility a foreign government it's dictating policy and the American president is compromised; therefore illegitimate.

If only Democrats had done fucking messaging focus
 

Makai

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These boycotting Democrats are stupidly squandering the moment John Lewis opened up for them.

Instead of relitigating the issues from the election re: gold start families and the personal attack on John Lewis, they need to be HAMMERIG that they're boycotting until Congress conducts a thorough and non partisan investigations into Trump's Russian ties.

The crux of the issue is not that he insulted John Lewis; it's that there's a real possibility a foreign government it's dictating policy and the American president is compromised; therefore illegitimate.

If only Democrats had done fucking messaging focus
This is even dumber than Republicans spending half their energy on Obama's birth certificate.
 
My guess is that most of the elections in Europe this year will see liberals try to tie their populist parties to Trump.

It'll be interesting to see if that works.
 
This is even dumber than Republicans spending half their energy on Obama's birth certificate.
Except there's credible people saying this is a real possibility not to mention the clear rethoric trump.anf his campaign have spouted that sounds like it came straight from Russia
 
These boycotting Democrats are stupidly squandering the moment John Lewis opened up for them.

Instead of relitigating the issues from the election re: gold start families and the personal attack on John Lewis, they need to be HAMMERIG that they're boycotting until Congress conducts a thorough and non partisan investigations into Trump's Russian ties.

The crux of the issue is not that he insulted John Lewis; it's that there's a real possibility a foreign government it's dictating policy and the American president is compromised; therefore illegitimate.

If only Democrats had done fucking messaging focus

I prefer David Weigel's take.
 
Problem is that with Trump the VP really did did matter, since a lot of people were thinking that people like pence would be keeping him in line.

My room mate is super conservative and absolutely despises Trump. But he loves Mike Pence, and was okay voting for Trump thinking if he screwed up too badly Pence would be president and Jesus would come back once we cast out all the sinners--or some crazy shit like that. He also believes America needs another Civil War to weed out all the weak and less valuable members of society, so who knows what he's thinking.

Oh yeah, actual suspicions. Ok, Democrats should hitch their wagon to a Buzzfeed article.

Buzzfeed stuck their neck out really far by publishing that. It's worth noting that the original article mentioning that the dossier was out was done by CNN, along with something like 2 pages of the dossier. Buzzfeed saw CNN had taken baby steps and said "all in bitches" and published the whole thing--all 34 pages. It's important to note that this report has been making the rounds for months now, and various intelligence agencies have claimed they trust the sources. John McCain, Buzzfeed, Christopher Steele, and dozens of spies around the world have all put their reputations on the line saying this is something that needs investigating.

So while it's easy to say "Oh we should let Buzzfeed decide what hill we die on /s", it's just not that simple.
 
Tom Price has been shut out of crafting the Trump team's health care bill.

Price, a Georgia congressman and orthopedic surgeon, does not want the sole focus of his appearance before the Senate Health Committee on Wednesday to be his own proposal to repeal and replace Obamacare, according to a Trump transition official. He wants to avoid signaling that he is asking fellow lawmakers to endorse his plan to reform the country's health care system.

In the lead-up to his confirmation hearings, Price has been kept out of the Trump transition team's efforts to craft an Obamacare replacement plan. According to a senior transition official, the incoming administration wants Price to be inoculated from questions about what Trump's alternative to the Affordable Care Act looks like when he faces probing senators this week.

Uh..... huh.


Okay then.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/16/polit...-donald-trump-confirmation-hearing/index.html

I mean... This bill is going to get revealed eventually and then it will take months to pass so the info is going to be out there and facing public scrutiny some day. You can't just secretly pass major health care bills in America.
 

Valhelm

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My guess is that most of the elections in Europe this year will see liberals try to their populist parties to Trump.

It'll be interesting to see if that works.

Trump definitely seems to be lending tacit support to far-right candidates across the world. But because he's Trump, I doubt he really cares who's in charge of Australia or the Netherlands.
 
I wish the France elections were a couple of months later.

LePen and Filon might lose with their pro-Putin stance if Trump gets screwed over and the U.S. humiliated by Putin before the elections.
 
15 of The Best Hills To Die On. Number 7 is Totally Insane!

Worth noting Buzzfeed News and Buzzfeed Entertainment are different divisions. Buzzfeed's News division actually did a solid job during the primaries and election with some decent articles. You'll never guess the 10 stupid things their Entertainment division stole off Reddit though!
 
Tom Price has been shut out of crafting the Trump team's health care bill.



Uh..... huh.


Okay then.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/16/polit...-donald-trump-confirmation-hearing/index.html

I mean... This bill is going to get revealed eventually and then it will take months to pass so the info is going to be out there and facing public scrutiny some day. You can't just secretly pass major health care bills in America.

This is actually a good thing. Price's plan was by far the worst as it had all the problems of pre-ACA healthcare while also going an extra step backwards by destroying group health insurance.
 

Teggy

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Tom Price has been shut out of crafting the Trump team's health care bill.



Uh..... huh.


Okay then.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/16/polit...-donald-trump-confirmation-hearing/index.html

I mean... This bill is going to get revealed eventually and then it will take months to pass so the info is going to be out there and facing public scrutiny some day. You can't just secretly pass major health care bills in America.

I guess he'll have more time to talk about insider trading.
 
I wish the France elections were a couple of months later.

LePen and Filon might lose with their pro-Putin stance if Trump gets screwed over and the U.S. humiliated by Putin before the elections.

What the hell, I didn't even realize that happened. While I wasn't looking, LePen surged to the top of the polls. How am I even supposed to feel about this?
Fillion is safe.Le Pen is not

It's the opposite. What do right wing isolationists care if a backwoods country like Estonia falls to the bear?
 

sc0la

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Worth noting Buzzfeed News and Buzzfeed Entertainment are different divisions. Buzzfeed's News division actually did a solid job during the primaries and election with some decent articles. You'll never guess the 10 stupid things their Entertainment division stole off Reddit though!
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What the hell, I didn't even realize that happened. While I wasn't looking, LePen surged to the top of the polls. How am I even supposed to feel about this?


It's the opposite. What do right wing isolationists care if a backwoods country like Estonia falls to the bear?

LePen has been at the top of the polls for like the last 12 months.

She has a dedicated base of 25%.

But she's been getting killed in the one on one polls.
 
LePen has been at the top of the polls for like the last 12 months.

She has a dedicated base of 25%.

But she's been getting killed in the one on one polls.

I thought her numbers had actually stated to dip a bit since the US election?

Also, Alaska precinct map:

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@realKentron
ALASKA - Precinct Map - 2016 Presidential

Donald Trump 51.3%
Hillary Clinton 36.6%
Gary Johnson 5.9%
Jill Stein 1.8%
Darrell Castle 1.2%

Trump won by about 40,000 votes.
 
LePen has been at the top of the polls for like the last 12 months.

She has a dedicated base of 25%.

But she's been getting killed in the one on one polls.

Oh, it's the one on one polls I was thinking about. Btw I just learned that the National Front had received a loan of 9 million euros from the Russian government in exchange for support of their annexation of Crimea. What the hell
 
Honestly, the left (and centrists who are liberals) better hope that Valls doesn't win his primary for the Socialists and Macron surges. It's probably the only hope that they have.

Also, the amount of parties running is frustrating:

Left:
LaRouche Movement
Communists
New Anticapitalist Party
Left Front
Greens
Socialists

Center:
Macron's En Marche (he was in the Socialist cabinet, so this could be left-ish)
MoDems

Right:
Republicans
France Arise
National Front

The left is basically eating each other for votes in a FPTP system.
 

Pixieking

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A few days late on posting this, so someone may have already done it...

The Music Donald Trump Can’t Hear

American conservatism has as many clear, resolute devotees of constitutional democracy as any other stream of ideology—or it once seemed to. For, in truth, those of us Cassandras who predicted a slow collapse of “respectable” Republicans in the face of Trump’s ascension turned out to be, well, too conservative. The collapse has been almost total, and shockingly uncritical. A few resisters aside—in the press, the names Jennifer Rubin, Max Boot, and David Frum come to mind—even those who know better, or did, have allowed the ancient habits of hatred to overwhelm their normal sense of right and wrong. Republican legislators who, a year ago, would have been aghast at any politician who praised the brutal dictator Vladimir Putin now have little trouble swallowing their tongues when Trump insists that Putin’s good opinion, however earned, is “an asset.” Those who made a fuss about pursuing any possible conflict of interest among Obama’s appointees now meekly allow the most conflict-ridden and least “vetted” of candidates for high office to walk through largely unmolested. And the insistence of the leader that he has no obligation to release any record of his financial entanglements, with the bold repeated lie that an “audit”—whose existence can’t be confirmed and wouldn’t matter anyway—prevents him from doing so, is simply and mutely accepted. The collapse—motivated for some by opportunism, for others by the intimidation of the mob—is complete.
 

mo60

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What the hell, I didn't even realize that happened. While I wasn't looking, LePen surged to the top of the polls. How am I even supposed to feel about this?


It's the opposite. What do right wing isolationists care if a backwoods country like Estonia falls to the bear?

Le Pen may not be that safe compared to Fillon because Fillon will probably be able to win over some of the groups like older catholic voters which le pen has been kinda ignoring so far that are reluctant to vote for Le Pen which will possibly help boost him above her in the first round and hurt her in the process. The only person I could see potentially hurting Fillon is Macron. Macron may actually affect the percentage of the vote both Fillon and Le Pen get in the first round. I think Macron may get around 20% of the vote in the first round while the other two get in the mid twenties. Le Pen if she makes it past the first round will lose the second round by somewhere between 20 and 40 points if either Fillon or macron get past the first round.
 
FWIW, David Farenthold is now a CNN contributor.

Would've preferred him at MSNBC.

RUSSIAN MEDIA RAGING BONER (counting the days until inauguration):
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Part of me really wants to watch the dumpster fire that's going to be Trump's inauguration... who's even performing at this point? Like 3 rockette's and an america's got talent 4th place finisher or some shit?
 
No one should feel a need to destroy their soul via watching the inauguration live. Seriously. Even my extremely morbid interest in the matter isn't enough to get me to do it. I'd just get mad/depressed/have repeated bipolar incidents through the rest of the day.

Following May's speech in the UK is like looking into the future. "Things are awesome, we swear! We're SO fucking awesome!" Trying to take Trump seriously when he walks up to the podium in the future and try to say we're totally the GOAT is going to be physically painful (instead of just being random patriotic fodder, which mind you is already pretty cheesy). This message of "we're leaving our friends, but actually we're everywhere!" is confusing.

...lol, she's throwing Brexit back to Parliament. Nice. Hey, why not risk your own party's current hold on power by risking making everyone furious with you again. Genius!

Random edit: Apple's new UK pricing today has me inventing a new economic indicator. The 1:1:1 golden currency ratio. Thus I will deem Trump's presidency not a total failure so long as apps are the same price in dollars:euro:pounds.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin..._term=.5e470faed706&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

"Trump’s attack on John Lewis is the essence of narcissism"

It must be said that the whole business of questioning a president’s right to hold office is pernicious. It puts a hard stop on all civility and cooperation. The worst instance, of course, was the claim that Barack Obama was Kenyan-born and disqualified to be president — an argument based on partisan, conspiratorial and quasi-racist lies enthusiastically spread by Trump. When the president-elect calls out Lewis on this topic, it is a display of hypocrisy so large that it is visible from space.
 

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Listening to conservative intellectuals, they're often closer to elected dems than they are to elected republicans. I had the same thought that they should team up with dems to find actual solutions.

One example was fighting poverty and dealing with automation. Instead of raising the minimum wage or implementing an unconditional universal income, Reihan Salam of the National Review suggests wage subsides where the corporation would pay whatever, but the government would pad that salary up to a minimum wage as an incentive to work.

I think dems would be very open to that idea. Current elected republicans would enthusiastically balk at it.

Companies would have an incentive to lower wages, dumb idea.

People focus too much on wages: cost of life is what's important. The lower the costs, the less your salary has to increase. If the government did its job to favor low cost housing, transportation, food, energy, education, healthcare, it would remove pressure on companies to increase wages, which would attract business, and the standard of living would go up.
 

Wilsongt

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Vlad just said the outgoing administration is trying to undermine Trump's Presidency... fuck you.

Isn't that what the GOP did for six years? And will continue to do so for Obama?

You gotta really love revisionist history. Given enough time and clout, Obama will be lucky to be more than a footnote.

On that note:

37m
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
The same people who did the phony election polls, and were so wrong, are now doing approval rating polls. They are rigged just like before.

44m
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
People are pouring into Washington in record numbers. Bikers for Trump are on their way. It will be a great Thursday, Friday and Saturday!

Approval ratings are rigged!
 
At this rate he'll even deny TV ratings when he comes in lower than Obama's inauguration.

Of course. "TV ratings are rigged." Unless of course those ratings show that when he was on The Apprentice that ratings were better than when Arnold is in charge, then the ratings are legit.
 

JP_

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Companies would have an incentive to lower wages, dumb idea.

People focus too much on wages: cost of life is what's important. The lower the costs, the less your salary has to increase. If the government did its job to favor low cost housing, transportation, food, energy, education, healthcare, it would remove pressure on companies to increase wages, which would attract business, and the standard of living would go up.

I'm not saying it's a perfect idea, only that it's a much better idea than what republicans are currently trying to do, like simply gutting welfare programs, and we could actually have a productive debate over solutions to bring people out of poverty.
 
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