Unfortunately, I think you are right regarding this hearing. There just isn't enough forceful action on Trumps part to shock people. Who knows what will come up in the investigation, but this doesn't seem big enough to make an immediate difference.
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Unfortunately, I think you are right regarding this hearing. There just isn't enough forceful action on Trumps part to shock people. Who knows what will come up in the investigation, but this doesn't seem big enough to make an immediate difference.
Randolph Freelander
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Republican voters don't get their information from major networks.
At the very least, people need to be of the mindset that our only opportunity to get rid of this guy is at the ballot box, regardless of what any investigation uncovers. 2018 midterms to hopefully neuter his policy goals, and then 2020 to finally get rid of him proper.
Considering everything Trump says is either a lie or projecting...
Fenderputty
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How can you read his comments on Loyalty and Flynn and walk away thinking this? Even Johm McCain is less reserved.
fredrancour
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John McCain so concerned today
#2 everybody was terrified of being seen as sabotaging the election except the collusion crew
#1 complex investigations are slow.
#2 everybody was terrified of being seen as sabotaging the election except the collusion crew
*looks for a tweet accusing Obama of watching prostitutes pee on bed GWB slept in*
whyamihere
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Herb Kohl's nephew running in WI-06.
R+8 district.
R+8 district.
They can only go where the evidence takes them. You don't just start tear down a building randomly, you look for cracks in the wall, places of structural weakness, and start there. So you start with Flynn and Manafort and see where they lead, then you investigate their connections and so on and so forth until you've got a spider-web of cracks in the wall and everyone's caught up in it.
Macho Madness
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Grothman is a disgusting person so this would be a good get.
They'll try, but the wording is very specific. He says they didn't have "an open counter-intelligence case" not that they didn't have an open case. Also that it "was" true. Both of those phrasings are going to be followed up on, this committee would have to be incompetent not to do so.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Why? It was a closed case we knew this. They will spin everything they are reading it hoping for a typo.
Dominican Power
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Kamala Harris and Angus King were going in, damn!
I know that WE know that.
Randolph Freelander
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That's correct. All you're going to see on Fox News is the confirmation of there being no open investigation on Donald Trump, as stated by James Comey.
The conversation on Flynn will be swept under the rug as just someone looking out for his friend, something anyone would do, particularly in light of the lack of an investigation as mentioned above.
And all of our conservative family members will continue to see Trump as the victim of the media and enraged liberals.
2020, y'all.
balladofwindfishes
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Trump is in a funny spot with this
He can say "SEE I WAS RIGHT" about the three times not investigating thing
...but doing so confirms the rest of Comey's statement. Which includes the obstruction of justice stuff.
He can say "SEE I WAS RIGHT" about the three times not investigating thing
...but doing so confirms the rest of Comey's statement. Which includes the obstruction of justice stuff.
They were investigating Russian influence on the election. Not investigating Donald trump himself.
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Randolph Freelander
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The right doesn't care. They now have their talking points.
AntraxSuicide
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Sergeant Nicholas Angel taught us that a notepad is a police officer's greatest weapon.
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He's a moron.
Fenderputty
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Who cares. All of these statements we're cleared by Mueller. Neither him nor Comey give a shit what the politics of this are. The right can say what they want while Mueller builds his case. McCabe basically confirmed today that Trumps under Criminal investigation anyway.
benicillin
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I swear, Trump's could get led away in handcuffs on national television and we're still going to have posters worried about right wing talking points and saying nothing will come of it.
Randolph Freelander
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I haven't seen what McCabe has said, but when I read the Comey statement, my takeaway is what it was -- there's nothing in it that would sway someone on the right. I thought it actually helped Trump much more than it hurt, because the damaging stuff can be spun and we already knew it anyway, and the new bit is that Comey actually did tell Trump multiple times that he wasn't being investigated. Parse that, say it refers to something specific while still allowing for other things, I mean, that's fair and plausible, but that's not going to be the spin on the right.
And like it or not, the opinion of right wing voters matters a heck of a lot more than what Mueller ends up finding.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
I am on a computer all day for work so Twitter in a browser.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Basically everything within 16 points is play right now right?
It's to the Dem advantage that shit is going down now, and not next year. It attracts people to run.
I know that
What if Trump is like Michael Keaton in The Good Guys except he always quotes Lauryn Hill instead of TLC?
That's actually been the incredible thing watching it.
Even if he is innocent and you are a fan of his policy how can you be a fan of him with regards too how he is managing this?
nature boy
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"Public pressure" means nothing if it's not translated into actions.
Indictments, Rs losing seats. This will take time to materialise.
The constant outrage about what Trump says or does gets us nowhere. He still has the Republican base with him.
aspiegamer
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WI-06 is a tough ask. The I-41/43 corridors are as rust belty as it gets in this state and holds 4 total seats. Kohl has name recognition at least, which is an important starting point for a House candidate.
Trivia time!-- When Trump seemingly at random talked about the paper industry suffering under the Paris Agreement, WI-06 (and 08) is the precise target of that statement.
I don't disagree, but it's not just the R+ level. It's why it's that number that makes the district hard.
Randolph Freelander
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Impeachment is a political process. Donald Trump is not being removed from office or led away in handcuffs without the right wing base coming on board. And, barring some about face from Fox News, that's not going to happen in this lifetime.
Trying to find something I can just plug in my headphones and listen on android.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
I got nothing then sorry.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
A man of any intelligence would say, i'm aware of suggested protocol when visiting Russia.
Randolph Freelander
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Abby D. Phillip‏ @abbydphillip 3 minutes ago
The RNC just emailed parts of Comey's statement in Trump's defense. Will be hard for them to cast doubt on the rest of his testimony now.
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As stated, they have their talking points. This is all that the brain-dead Fox News viewer is going to hear about.
The RNC just emailed parts of Comey's statement in Trump's defense. Will be hard for them to cast doubt on the rest of his testimony now.
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As stated, they have their talking points. This is all that the brain-dead Fox News viewer is going to hear about.
benicillin
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I don't think anyone expects anyone to do anything until Mueller finishes his investigation.
benicillin
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I'm glad they're getting their talking points ready now because it's gonna make that spin look even dumber when someone asks Comey to clarify tomorrow and he makes it clear that, at the time, President Trump wasn't under investigation but can't confirm whether or not that's still the case or changed before he left.
You know, like how they bandied about Clapper saying the same thing until he clarified.
You know, like how they bandied about Clapper saying the same thing until he clarified.
He reminds me of my current boss who is able to recite, verbatim, discussions that happened in meetings like two years ago.
Yep, they'll spin it like "Hey, yeah, he's done some regrettable things, but at least he's not a democrat".
Spoiled Milk
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John Dean also claimed to have superhuman memory of conversations to the point that they called him the Human Tape Recorder. When it was revealed, he was delighted that there would be proof of his testimony. Ironically, it turned out that what he thought were precise recollections of conversations ended up not being so precise at all, even though he gave elaborate details and specific words. This ended up being a very good experiment on the limits of human memory and is cited in courts to this day - you can be extremely sure about the contents of a conversation but most people are only capable of getting the gist of it right, not actual sequences of words.
balladofwindfishes
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You guys are pretty eager to believe Fox News can spin this when they've never been able to successfully spin this Russian stuff before.
It's still around. People still care about it. It's still slowing down his presidency.
It's still around. People still care about it. It's still slowing down his presidency.
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