If there was anything tangible at this point, we'd all know about it.
Except we already DO know lots of tangible stuff such as:
- Manafort having been paid millions of dollars to lobby for Putin
- Flynn having made calls to the Russian Ambassador to promise him that the sanctions would be lifted (violation of the Logan Act)
- Page basically admitting that he met with Kislyak multiple times and refuses to disclose what those meetings were about
- J D Gordon saying that he pushed to soften the Ukraine portion of the GOP platform under Trump's orders
- Russia having been involved in the hacks and leaks of democratic emails according to 17 different intelligence agencies as well as the FBI
- FBI having used the infamous steele dossier to get FISA warrants on Page
- Sessions having multiple undisclosed meetings with Kislyak which he suddenly has no recollection about although he admits he did as a Trump Foreign Policy Advisor
- The IC confirming that Kislyak is a Russian Spy Recruiter.
- Trump trying to get Comey to end the investigation into Flynn
- Flynn having illegally lobbied for the Turkish government while National Security Advisor
- Trump trying to get the DNI to lie about the Russia investigation to make him look better
- Trump firing Comey, lying about the reason for firing him, then later admitting that he fired him for doing the Russia investigation
- Roger Stone being in constant contact with Russian Hacker Guccifer 2.0
And that's just off the top of my head
The prime target surrounding the collusion narrative has been Michael Flynn, but at this point we know that his conversations with the ambassador (that people on both sides had, since...you know, it's his job) didn't amount to any actual collusion and he was cleared. Even the Washington Post admits this and they're not exactly unbiased:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.82e90b77f7eb
First off that was the FBI saying back in January that they weren't YET going to definitively say that Flynn committed a crime, and considering that we are already at the point where Flynn is literally asking for Immunity, that was clearly just the FBI holding that as leverage over Flynn.
Second, it's absolutely not just Flynn. Read my above portion for other people who are also suspected.
Basically, the entire investigation is based around people talking to someone who's Russian, at some point, about anything. That's all we've heard since the initial Flynn angle. Yet there's no smoking gun after 8 months and they won't find one 12 months from now either.
You don't get it. You think they would be after Flynn on a GUESS that he may have done something bad?
Guess what Obama did on the same night that it came out that Flynn had called the Russian ambassador?
THIS:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/...tude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html
Flynn isn't being investigated on a GUESS. Flynn is being investigated because the NSA already has the proof that he was colluding with Russia.
The Watergate investigation may have taken 2 years, but that was over 30 years ago. Information moves a hell of a lot faster now.
Information moves faster, but actual investigation still takes a long ass time.
Again - I'm not American, I'm not "on the right", I don't have a dog in any fight here. From an outsider's perspective, the entire thing has become fucking hilarious to an extent, with CNN's constant "BREAKING NEWS" about Russia, but the longer it drags on the more damage it causes - and I don't mean to Trump. The Democratic party is dying and instead of trying to pull itself together it's dragging along with this entire narrative. I really don't understand the point in continuing in this direction, he's not getting impeached. That's a pipedream.
I agree that it's very unlikely that Trump gets impeached, but the Russia investigation is NOT just about impeaching Trump, it's about:
- Tackling the issue of deliberate fake news
- Tackling issues about cybersecurity in America
- Tacking issues about vote integrity
- Understanding the extent of Russia's capabilities to undermine Western Secular Democracy (because it's not just the US they have been targeting. Don't believe me? Ask Germany and France.)
is it really electoral suicide?
Democrats actually have to be capable of unseating republicans in red areas the same way the GOP has been at the reverse
As in.. does this passing mean Ted Cruz loses his seat in Texas in 2018
They are correct for banking on that it won't. There's no reason right now to think that the democrats have their shit together to where they need to worry about it.
I agree that the GOP has the advantage of being a million times better at winning elections, however if there is one that can get almost every voter to hate Republicans, it would be Republicans passing a bill that completely fucks with their healthcare in VERY notable ways.
There was a recent survey that showed that 45% of voters say their most important issue is Healthcare. I doubt that is all democrats.
