fredrancour
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No he's continuing the scapegoat-rosenstein strategy that enraged rosenstein into appointing Mueller in the first place
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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Enoch Root
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Either way, he's passing the buck. He's trying to throw Rosenstein under the bus. He's probably going to try to fire him next. Hopefully it backfires.
A Serious Man
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Let's all take a second to remember that they tried to pin Comey's firing on Rosenstein originally because he was the only one around with any credibility.
BoogieWoogie
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I'm expecting some giant oppo this afternoon.
balladofwindfishes
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The consensus of basically the entire party, including McConnell, is that if this doesn't make it by June, it's being dropped.
June ends in exactly 2 weeks
The CBO score, on average, takes about 2 weeks.
There's no indication, as of today, they were even close to ready to score it. If it goes into next week, it's far too late and there's no chance it meets the deadline.
In a act of desperation, I guess they could just pass the pre-scored House bill with no changes at all... but that seems very unlikely.
They could just shrug off missing their artificial deadline. Even the article suggests they'll do that.
If they don't make the August recess that I think we could make the argument they have problems.
The Senate will pass AHCA, if not this month, then at some point. They've already made crystal clear that the public pressure, negative media coverage, and overwhelming unpopularity of the bill is not a part of their healthcare calculus anymore. It's good for drumming up support and hammering these guys in the midterms next year, but it's plainly not a factor in stopping the bill itself anymore.
Roland_Gunner
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Most economists think that between Baby Boomers leaving the workforce and fewer immigrants coming in the number of jobs that needs to be created to match population growth is down to 75 - 100K per month so we're still over population growth. Fewer new jobs being created is still bad obviously.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
As someone who used to lurk this thread during the election to stay sane, the fact that we now basically have oppo droppo every day is a pretty welcome relief.
Joe Shlabotnik
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NYT just jumped on this one haha
Poodlestrike
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I don't think this is very clear at all. If it was really the case, I don't think they'd be working so hard to limit public exposure to the bill prior to passage. The first House bill died because it spent too much time in the sun prior to voting. The second one squeaked through because it happened so quickly and so quietly that there wasn't time to Marshall resistance; nobody thought it'd really happen until the day before, if that. The longer this thing goes without a vote, the closer the date gets to campaign season and the more pressure those Senators face.
balladofwindfishes
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They don't want to work on this bill forever. It's getting in the way of all the other things they'd like to do.
They're also afraid of people protesting their senators during the July recess and having those senators be afraid to pass it.
Time isn't their friend with this, and they know it. It's why they rushed it through the house and are trying to rush it through the senate.
neurosisxeno
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That's fair, but it's down quite a bit since Obama left. I imagine if they manage to cut corporate tax rates the number of jobs created is going to tank as companies try and min/max revenue by shedding workforces to the bare minimum they need.
Frank the Great
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Really sticking your neck out eh
I agree that they don't want to work on this forever. But it doesn't quite seem like they are ready to throw in the towel on this just yet.
ArkhamFantasy
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1.He just confirmed the reports that he's under investigation for Obstruction of Justice.
2.His entire defense for the last few months have been that he's not personally under investigation
3.He said publicly that he would have fired Comey regardless of what anyone else said
4.The last time he pissed off Rosenstien it resulted in a special counsel being appointed, i guess he wants some more?
2.His entire defense for the last few months have been that he's not personally under investigation
3.He said publicly that he would have fired Comey regardless of what anyone else said
4.The last time he pissed off Rosenstien it resulted in a special counsel being appointed, i guess he wants some more?
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/16/15810524/senate-ahca-explain-please
Vox asked 8 Republican Senators to explain AHCA (McCain, Grassley, Boozman, Wicker, Murkowski, Cruz, Moore Capito, and Portman).
Vox asked 8 Republican Senators to explain AHCA (McCain, Grassley, Boozman, Wicker, Murkowski, Cruz, Moore Capito, and Portman).
neurosisxeno
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Any bill that passes the Senate will not pass the House and vice versa.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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This is hilarious. Rosenstein tried to come to his defense, only for Trump to destroy it hours later.
nature boy
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GOP sirens blare over Georgia special election
What kind of meltdown can we expect if Ossoff pulls it off?
What kind of meltdown can we expect if Ossoff pulls it off?
Liberal activists fear Mitch McConnells secret health strategy is working
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/16/15814194/the-resistance-mcconnell-secrecy
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/16/15814194/the-resistance-mcconnell-secrecy
FWIW, I think its in our best interest to assume the AHCA is about to pass until the Democrats get back the House in 2018. GOP seems to be in "don't give a fuck mode", we can't give them any reprieve!
As an aside, I'm getting annoyed how much the Russia stuff is clouding the healthcare issue. Like the Russia stuff matters a lot, nobody should think otherwise. However what the GOP is doing on healthcare is unconscionable (and a better/easier issue to campaign on).
As an aside, I'm getting annoyed how much the Russia stuff is clouding the healthcare issue. Like the Russia stuff matters a lot, nobody should think otherwise. However what the GOP is doing on healthcare is unconscionable (and a better/easier issue to campaign on).
I won't count our chickens before they hatch, but I think if it happens we might be able to do something about AHCA.
GurgleBot20
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I'm actually really curious as to what batshit crazy excuse would be generated if Rosenstein and Mueller were fired.
IggyChooChoo
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I'll feel a lot better about the prospects for the AHCA, for one thing.
ArkhamFantasy
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"I was facing alot of pressure from this russia problem, thats been taken care of now, did you know my birthday is june 14th? I get chocolate cake for my birthday, the most beautiful chocolate cake, its unbelievable."
BoogieWoogie
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Rachel Brand just took the #3 spot in the Department of Justice, so she'd be in charge if Trump fired Rosenstein:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...4d09ff5a4a8_story.html?utm_term=.229a3a2ca5c4
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...4d09ff5a4a8_story.html?utm_term=.229a3a2ca5c4
metalslimer
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I do wonder if McConnell would chance the calculus if Ossoff wins to just try and ram through whatever they even faster. They may think the quicker they pass things the quicker the public will forget about how bad they areMcConnell is smart, but it's not like he is some political robot. He wants to pass something.
The fuck ? That evil creep tried to impeach Clinton for this very reason.
ShironRedshift
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Just like any bill that would get passed the FC wouldn't get past more moderate Republicans in the House, and vice versa. Until that turned out not to be true. Not counting on anything at this point. McConnell seems pretty desperate to get something passed, or else he wouldn't be bothering with all these secrecy tactics to begin with, so all these rules about the various Republican factions seem pretty meaningless to me at this point.
What am I missing?
Donnie just says 100 million because Obama has 90 million on twitter and Donnie can't possibly say a smaller number than Obama's.
Or he's adding up all his social media account's numbers, but that's giving him waaaaay too much credit.
Does Ossoff winning impact the House vote at all? I guess the House already cleared the bar with two votes to spare without needing to fill the GA-6 seat.
If senators like Capito and Portman are okay with rolling back Medicaid after seven years, then it's a done deal. Although I suppose in the final days of the legislation they could add some even more heinous shit to it that even scares those swing-y votes off. I'm just not confident that constituent anger is enough to walk them back from the cliff edge at this point.
If senators like Capito and Portman are okay with rolling back Medicaid after seven years, then it's a done deal. Although I suppose in the final days of the legislation they could add some even more heinous shit to it that even scares those swing-y votes off. I'm just not confident that constituent anger is enough to walk them back from the cliff edge at this point.
NEWT FUCKING GINGRICH. Until I hear a, "...so I'm sorry about those things I did all those years ago," I'm going to upgrade him from "slime ball fuckface" to "bottom-feeder shit clown" status.
Tbh I don't think there's​ any other viable path to stopping it. Guy is legit carrying 24 million on his shoulders at this point.
...And it's​ not even guaranteed if he does win.
BoogieWoogie
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If it's not out the door to the CBO by Tuesday, it's dead anyway.
balladofwindfishes
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Today was the day they were shooting for as the last day to meet the deadline. And I don't think they're even working today.
The reported changes seem like they would be acceptable to the FC.
Carpe Libertatem
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Not with the vote how it was, but it could certainly scare some Republicans into changing their vote.
That's one of the main reasons why GA-6 is kind of necessary to win. That and it's the type of district that is the future of the Democratic Party (one of, if not the fastest changing districts in the country if I'm not wrong). MT-AL and KS-04 would have been nice, but neither were really essential or part of Democratic plans for the future.
Don't be so sure about that. A bill that passes the Senate and goes to the house is a completely different ball game from a bill just created by the house. If something is passed by the Senate that pushes the House Republicans up against a wall, and it's their big choice to "repeal obamacare" or not. If they don't vote for it then they ruin that chance and can/will get primaried for stopping the Obamacare repeal.
Carpe Libertatem
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There is a nonzero chance the Republicans decide to repeal Obamacare and we should be worried because of that regardless of what happens with elections.
AntraxSuicide
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It's hard to argue against bills that don't exist. We can't reliably say that the bill sucks because we have nothing to point to.
Messaging wasn't good before until the bill came out and I imagine that'll be true here as well.
Yeah, to expand on this a little bit. There are any number of districts which Dems could win against an unpopular Trump in 2018. But if the split in 2016 is suggestive of longer term changes in the electorate, GA- 6 is the kind of district Dems can win and hold on to for a more sustainable majority than we had in 2007-2010.
Everything suggests to me than Republicans and Trump are committed to driving people with degrees out of the party. Unless there's a successful anti Trump primary I don't​ see how this changes over the next 8 years.
But hey I've been wrong before
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
New hearing next week.
balladofwindfishes
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Almost as many hearings had Hillary been president lol
Probably not doing any favors for the health bill either
Probably not doing any favors for the health bill either
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Not sure anyone knows about the Michelle Carter case. Well she is Guilty.
At some point, I'm just going to start my polling shop, ask people on the street if they like Trump iff they're wearing a MAGA hat, and report the 100% approval rating. Mad props from the prez totally worth it.
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