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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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RustyNails
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Does it result in less people out of insurance? That's Heller's red line.
I thought the House made it clear they would pass anything the Senate threw their way. Or would this actually cause them to get upset? Saying they got to "repeal Obamacare" seems too tempting for them I feel.
Then again that is also the same Corker who if I recall correctly didn't even seem to know the tax cuts were in the bill to begin with.
It's worth pointing out that if the GOP decides to accept the premise of high income taxes to help fund low income uninsured, that's an astonishing win in and of itself and a sign of how far Obama managed to move the Overton window. It's also brutally difficult for them to do anything without preseving the mandate and preexisting condition ban. At that point we're just talking about essential benefits and the ratio of premiums and subsidies across the population.
Those are all important, but much less dramatic of a threat than we've been talking about until now.
Obviously we don't really have details to go on and there's no sign that this would get anywhere, but it's hard to see the fact that we're even talking about this as anything other than a win.
Those are all important, but much less dramatic of a threat than we've been talking about until now.
Obviously we don't really have details to go on and there's no sign that this would get anywhere, but it's hard to see the fact that we're even talking about this as anything other than a win.
What a moron
"don't watch anymore"
"He became President of the United States in that moment, period."
Joe Shlabotnik
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Can we have boxes of cheerios shipped to the White House
For many in the House, this is the entire point. The HFC in particular will not be super keen on stamping their approval on Obama's progressive tax hikes and benefits. Even if they end up rolling, it's like "oh no, we got the House Freedom caucus to agree with progressive taxes and expanding the social safety net"
yeah, I don't think we should see the House as being anything but a rubber stamp for whatever the Senate passes. If the bill doesn't die in the Senate, it will become law.
Deuce Deuce
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Now we're talking. I can get behind these kinds of changes to the bill.
Loses more votes on the Right. Remember that Lee, Paul, and one of Cruz or Johnson could also kill this bill even if all the moderates were on board.
Emerson
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What exactly does "repeal obamacare" mean?
Because this bill doesn't really repeal anything, it just cripples the existing system. The only actual repeal is the tax cut, and if you drop that what even are you doing?
Fenderputty
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Changing the mandate so that its a more convoluted mandate.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What did Morning Joe do to make him react like this?
Mika made some comments about the fake Time cover.
StopMakingSense
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Jesus Christ waking up to this... It's like its January again.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Mika made a tiny hands joke about the fake Time cover.
He's just an absurd and horrible person.
Emerson
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Yeah something tells me that wasn't the dream.
Deuce Deuce
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Well they have to call it a repeal since they duped a bunch of voters into putting them into power.
Dems call it repeal since they don't want any of it weakened.
RustyNails
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It feels like Kefka from FF6 became our President.
fredrancour
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Help some billionaires afford more beach houses. Change the name of the law on the books so it isn't the black liberal guy's bill any more.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Nah, Kekfa was intelligent despite all his crazyness, Trump reminds me of an even more impulsive Algus.
Autodidact
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What a piece of irredeemable human filth. These episodes where he demeans and degrades people affect me more than almost anything else. How can I teach my students to be good people when they can just say, "If the President does it, why can't I?" How can we as a society claim to value respect and tolerance when we elect a leader who scoffs at those values? Every day, he exacerbates this atmosphere of hate, stupidity, and incivility; he acts in a way that should be unacceptable in any polite setting.
I've gotten fucking sick of it.
I've gotten fucking sick of it.
You tell the students that assholes might be successful, but everyone will hate them. Is there evidence that Trump's ever been, like, happy with himself and his life?
So I just left my house to go to work for the day. As I left my door, I saw tiny flags all over the neighborhood (were new construction that completely finished within the past year.) I smile and go to look at the note attached to each of em, assuming it's from the HOA.
Its not. Its from Comstock and the local delegate. Holy shit they're going guns blazing. All started the moment the D primary ended.
Its not. Its from Comstock and the local delegate. Holy shit they're going guns blazing. All started the moment the D primary ended.
The dude literally has no friends. They are all business partners. I think he missed out on what it means to be be human.
LolPeople agree with you
TheLaughingStock
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I don't agree with the current mandate penalty. I think if you want compulsory insurance then it should be set up in a manner like Japan as an example. Many people should be allowed to take personal responsibility.
IggyChooChoo
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If people "take personal responsibility," as you frame it, the market then collapses due to healthy people opting out of insurance. Not to be condescending, but people have been explaining this for almost a decade now.
nature boy
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So people expected the tweets to be deleted? LOL
Even if they wanted to, there doesn't seem to be much point to it now.
Dubbedinenglish
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Seriously. This is the guy who couldn't admit to covfefe being a typo
BlastProcessing
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Uhh... Is this as big of a deal as it seems?
@JAscholtes
A room full of "wow"s after @HouseAppropsGOP adopted this AUMF repeal amendment by @RepBarbaraLee
Because it seems like a BFD.
@JAscholtes
A room full of "wow"s after @HouseAppropsGOP adopted this AUMF repeal amendment by @RepBarbaraLee
Because it seems like a BFD.
TheLaughingStock
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There are a number of universal systems that haven't collapsed as a result of not imposing penalties on individuals. You should read other material or travel around the world to see how the US can be better.
BobTheFork
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Uhh... Is this as big of a deal as it seems?
@JAscholtes
A room full of "wow"s after @HouseAppropsGOP adopted this AUMF repeal amendment by @RepBarbaraLee
Because it seems like a BFD.
The Big Friendly Donald?
BoogieWoogie
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Unless I'm misunderstanding it, it's essentially taking power away from Trump to just declare war willy nilly.
Deuce Deuce
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It's the Swiss and Dutch model we're following. They handle a lot of their healthcare through private insurers and require people purchase it or face penalties.
Holy shitUhh... Is this as big of a deal as it seems?
@JAscholtes
A room full of "wow"s after @HouseAppropsGOP adopted this AUMF repeal amendment by @RepBarbaraLee
Because it seems like a BFD.
CrimzonSamurai
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Whoah, what, wait, whoah, what? Wait. What?
Why would you penalize people in a universal system where they don't have to purchase their own health coverage because it's universal?
Edit: Unless you mean universal as something other than a single-payer or public option system.
Seems like something both parties would agree to as far as giving more power to Congress?
skullmuffins
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I don't see how it's "personally responsible" for anyone except the ultra-wealthy to opt out of having health insurance. You can live the most healthy lifestyle possible and still be stricken with a serious illness that requires very expensive treatment. Without insurance, you either go without treatment and possibly die, or you can go to the ER and be billed in amounts that you can never afford, go bankrupt, and force other parties to cover the cost of the care you received.
Big if passed.Uhh... Is this as big of a deal as it seems?
@JAscholtes
A room full of "wow"s after @HouseAppropsGOP adopted this AUMF repeal amendment by @RepBarbaraLee
Because it seems like a BFD.
BlastProcessing
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Congress has given the President a blank check to wage war since 9/11 (since before that really, but it was codified after 9/11). A bipartisan move to remove that power is something that I would support no matter who was President.
I don't think this will pass through Congress and I don't think they could override the inevitable Veto, but this amendment going anywhere is a huge shift. The GOP never even tried to do this to Obama.
Uhh... Is this as big of a deal as it seems?
@JAscholtes
A room full of "wow"s after @HouseAppropsGOP adopted this AUMF repeal amendment by @RepBarbaraLee
Because it seems like a BFD.
Technically a BFD, but sounds more like a poison pill for GOPers
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