Normalcy is not the status quo right now.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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Spoiled Milk
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Why are we calling it normalcy? Did we internalize oligarchy?
ShadowSwordmaster
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Dems should have a slogan that is about moving forward.
Deuce Deuce
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Spoiled Milk
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Keep calm and Clint-on.
He's making a joke about Obama's 2012 slogan. I hope.
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(Okay not a slogan. But didn't seem effective).
Hasn't that always been the case?
Deuce Deuce
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Spoiled Milk
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There is too much fondness in the word normalcy. It's like home vs. prison. I care not for Elizabethan order. Remake the world in a deluge of fire.
Not that anybody can agree on what that looks like after it's all said and done. I want a high tax market economy where winners and losers aren't chosen by special interests. And spaghnum wants a socialist takeover of half the economy with strong labor laws and compulsory Latin classes. It's like night and day.
balladofwindfishes
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Ok, yea, cool, whatever
But next week I take a trip to Jersey and going to a beach is one of the things on my todo list, so it'd be nice if someone fixed this
Aaron Strife
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There are currently five GOP Congressmen from New Jersey, and LoBiondo (R+2), MacArthur (R+1), Lance (R+3) and Frelinghuysen (R+3) could all go down in a wave. The other one, Chris Smith is pretty insulated (R+8), but who knows.
Frank the Great
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Chris Smith is untouchable in his district.
Aaron Strife
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Fwiw Sabato has MacArthur, Lance and Frelinghuysen rated as Likely R, and the other two as Safe R. LoBiondo is beatable in theory but I believe he has a lot of personal appeal allowing him to run ahead of his district.
Emerson
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The vast majority of NJ beaches are not state-run.
Just don't go to Seaside.
Christie is at 15% approval, which definitely won't help the rest of the party.
balladofwindfishes
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Aaron Strife
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He won't be governor during the 2018 midterms, although he's certainly done plenty of damage to the GOP brand in New Jersey.
I hope Murphy wins by like 30 points and expands the Democrats' majorities in the legislature. I still wouldn't expect him to be super progressive however.
Autodidact
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Christie seems like exactly the type to fuck over the party on his way out.
Also, Moderate Chase Smith weeps at Trump's plan to defund the low-income heating assistance program. Where Sue Collins and Lisa M. at? Their states might suffer the most under such an austere measure.
Also, Moderate Chase Smith weeps at Trump's plan to defund the low-income heating assistance program. Where Sue Collins and Lisa M. at? Their states might suffer the most under such an austere measure.
LostMyNarbles
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Lobiondo had 59.4% of the vote in 2016 compared to the Democrat candidate at 34.1% of the vote. I'd love to see him go since I live in the district, but I don't see it happening even with him pissing off some of his Republican constituents.
Basileus777
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He has already done a lot of damage, the Democrats took a supermajority in the state assembly two years ago thanks to him.
We finally took out Garrett despite everything else that went wrong last year, taking more seats in better conditions is certainly on the table.
neurosisxeno
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Democrats need a wave in 2018. Otherwise we're looking at another 50 years of languishing social policy.
Deuce Deuce
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I hate to say this, but the courts are probably going to be fucked for a very long time. Sorry.
benicillin
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Not unexpected and honestly he's here for now and that's what matters. No sense in worrying about it, just focus on 2018.
CrimzonSamurai
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There was a CNN article yesterday about how he was staying. The media just wants a narrative about the court now that they've got a hot case again.
Also I remember a while ago someone said that it wasn't unusual for justices to have delays in hiring clerks within certain periods, but I can't remember the reasoning. Or maybe this is just wishful thinking and I'm confused somewhere.
Also I remember a while ago someone said that it wasn't unusual for justices to have delays in hiring clerks within certain periods, but I can't remember the reasoning. Or maybe this is just wishful thinking and I'm confused somewhere.
If the dems can retake the senate in 18 (and yes the map looks bad but it is what it is), then the supreme court is probably salvageable. If they can't...then it's gonna be a right-wing court for another 30 years.
That's always been the case. I don't believe for a second Kennedy will stay until 2021, our odds on keeping RBG and Breyer both 'til then seems far-fetched, etc. I could even see Thomas getting out when he can knowing he'd be replaced with an ultra conservative 45 year old.
That's always been the case. I don't believe for a second Kennedy will stay until 2021, our odds on keeping RBG and Breyer both 'til then seems far-fetched, etc. I could even see Thomas getting out when he can knowing he'd be replaced with an ultra conservative 45 year old.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Honestly, I have a hunch Roberts would move to the left if Kennedy got replaced by a Gorsuch type. He's not a perfect judge, by any stretch, but he has shown himself to have some historical consciousness on some issues. I don't think he'd wanna be the Chief Justice presiding over the court that regressed things.
Of course, if RBG and Breyer go, well, things are fucked, unless Trump decides to screw with everybody and nominate a centrist and/or liberal.
Of course, if RBG and Breyer go, well, things are fucked, unless Trump decides to screw with everybody and nominate a centrist and/or liberal.
CrimzonSamurai
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There's a thread in OT but in case anyone didn't see:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...ss-dealings-in-indonesia-four-corners/8669888
This is why I think the Russia collusion stops somewhere below Trump. I think Trump's entire plan for his campaign (and later the Presidency when he actually won) was to enrich himself and his business.
On the trail his campaign rented space exclusively from properties he owned where available, and used hotel chains he owns chunks of when they weren't. They used his private jet, the ate at his restaurants, etc. etc.
Then once he won he's running the same scheme with Mar A Lago and the Chinese trademark stuff and the Secret Service renting space at Trump Tower.
I'm not saying that there wasn't any collusion by any means I just don't think it was at the direct orders or with the direct knowledge of Donny himself.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...ss-dealings-in-indonesia-four-corners/8669888
This is why I think the Russia collusion stops somewhere below Trump. I think Trump's entire plan for his campaign (and later the Presidency when he actually won) was to enrich himself and his business.
On the trail his campaign rented space exclusively from properties he owned where available, and used hotel chains he owns chunks of when they weren't. They used his private jet, the ate at his restaurants, etc. etc.
Then once he won he's running the same scheme with Mar A Lago and the Chinese trademark stuff and the Secret Service renting space at Trump Tower.
I'm not saying that there wasn't any collusion by any means I just don't think it was at the direct orders or with the direct knowledge of Donny himself.
Autodidact
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Only death will remove RBG from the bench as long as Trump remains president. She always gives the coy "I take it year by year" bullshit, but we all know what she means. Hatred can keep someone alive more effectively than medication. Plus, she exercises like a beast, and women live longer anyway.
Breyer seems pretty fit and has had no serious health problems. He'll "only" be 82 in 2020, so I can see him lasting the duration fairly easily (knock wood).
If Clarence gets WOKE, he can stay; otherwise, he can go to some judicial Shady Pines.
Sotomayor and Kagan should have people taste their food for polonium.
Like Snowman, I also hold some hope that Roberts will moderate himself if Trump nominates more arch-conservatives. At 62 this year, he'll probably be there for at least another 15 years, for good or for ill.
EDIT: As for the "he may not have known about the collusion defense," I disagree. He has no real loyalty to anyone besides family, and sometimes not even to them. If Manafort/Flynn/Page/Sessions excluded him from the plotting, why not just blame them all? He would improve his public standing, silence the investigation, and rid us of treasonous fucks. He'd have nothing to lose and everything to gain. His defensiveness, his efforts to distract, his defending obviously guilty people - all those factors indicate his personal involvement, his desire not to have them implicate him.
And even if he had no part in the collusion, he fucked himself by obstructing an investigation - a charge for which he now finds himself under investigation.
Breyer seems pretty fit and has had no serious health problems. He'll "only" be 82 in 2020, so I can see him lasting the duration fairly easily (knock wood).
If Clarence gets WOKE, he can stay; otherwise, he can go to some judicial Shady Pines.
Sotomayor and Kagan should have people taste their food for polonium.
Like Snowman, I also hold some hope that Roberts will moderate himself if Trump nominates more arch-conservatives. At 62 this year, he'll probably be there for at least another 15 years, for good or for ill.
EDIT: As for the "he may not have known about the collusion defense," I disagree. He has no real loyalty to anyone besides family, and sometimes not even to them. If Manafort/Flynn/Page/Sessions excluded him from the plotting, why not just blame them all? He would improve his public standing, silence the investigation, and rid us of treasonous fucks. He'd have nothing to lose and everything to gain. His defensiveness, his efforts to distract, his defending obviously guilty people - all those factors indicate his personal involvement, his desire not to have them implicate him.
And even if he had no part in the collusion, he fucked himself by obstructing an investigation - a charge for which he now finds himself under investigation.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...trump-visit-after-attack-goes-viral-gnw9w05lz
Someone is afraid of protests.
RustyNails
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Rewatched All The President's Men and wow, forgot how many times Nixon administration blamed WaPo for their unnamed sources, shoddy journalism, and bias against Nixon. Only adjective missing was fake news.
What is it about Trump wanting to profit off his candidacy and presidency that means that he is unlikely to have knowingly colluded with Russia to help him win? They don't seem mutually exclusive at all.
CrimzonSamurai
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I don't think that there's much point to jeopardizing any potential income you'd gain from this setup if you also set yourself up to go to jail afterwards.
I suppose it's entirely possible he really is that stupid, though. I could just be giving him too much benefit of the doubt.
War Peaceman
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But Russia is the way that he has enriched himself for a long time. He has lots of ties to Russian money because they were the only people who would 'invest' in him.
CrimzonSamurai
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As far as I'm aware there's no actual receipts for this other than "it's why he won't release his tax returns."
Autodidact
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The dossier says that Trump has few properties in Russia - not for lack of trying - but quite a few shady Chinese holdings. The Chinese stuff might be part of the blackmail they have on him.
I wouldn't be surprised if he got himself in hot water during the real estate crash. American banks have been wary of him for decades, so he had to get help from somewhere. Of course, Mueller knows as much and has staffed his team with experts on financial crime. RICO charges also wouldn't be shocking.
I'll quote directly from the dossier re: the China business:
The above passage might be even more relevant if something comes of this Indonesia business.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
He's had multi million pound fines for money laundering in his casinos, Trump jr has openly spoken about it. We don't know for certain but that is the norm for him.
No. https://qz.com/982606/all-the-times...he-trump-organizations-russian-business-ties/
This stuff has all been out there for eons and there are a ridiculous number of connections. (I even think that at one of the Trump-hosted WMs, there was a Russian business guy there)
CrimzonSamurai
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I see. I kind of misread the post I was responding to and thought it referenced direct property holdings (hotels, etc.) in Russia, not just Russian money.
So, yeah, fair enough, those are receipts.
Autodidact
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Interesting question: we generally agree that New Jersey politicians, regardless of party, have some dirt on them. Which state has the "cleanest" politics and elected officials? I've seen the Index of Corruption used to evaluate countries but never individual US states.
CrimzonSamurai
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I'd nominate my home state of South Carolina because they don't need to be corrupt since 70% of them are dumb and illiterate enough to vote for the worst candidate anyway.
I mean we had Thomas "I don't like cocaine I just like the way it smells" Ravenel but we didn't elect him twice!
Honestly I struggle between being impressed by the pure cheek of that answer and being infuriated he still makes money.
Vermont maybe? They're the most Scandanavian of states.
exmachina64
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They'll vote yes, with reservations.
Win the Senate in 2018. Don't allow a new Justice be appointed until 2021.
Seems fair to me.
shinra-bansho
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Fist the full economy.
The Republicans broke all precedent in 2016, so if the Dems win in 2018, fuck it, keep the seat open. Make up some "one justice per term!" rule.
He has never been held accountable for anything in his life, including where he has broken the law, so I have no problem believing he would think collusion with the Russians would never be an issue. In fact, given some of the business connections it is possible he happily colluded with Russians on shady commercial deals in the past which would provide him with even more bravado.
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