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[Kid Kamikaze10]

How would they do that?

By learning and improving previous attempts, with guidance from that "Partnership" Rex was talking about.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Remember when we were supposed to get a new FBI director?

Guess McConnell and Co are not touching that

Spoiler

for now

 

[kirblar]

Remember when we were supposed to get a new FBI director?

Guess McConnell and Co are not touching that

Spoiler

for now

I think everyone is happy w/ letting McCabe run it for now and not having to touch it.

 

[Ether_Snake]

The more likely it is that the Dems can beat the GOP in 2020 the more likely it is that a third party will emerge to take away Dem votes. Wouldn't surprise me if Bernie started something.

Young voters will instinctively rationalize their support for it by thinking that Dems have a chance to win anyway and not be blamed for the GOP winning, and add a dose of purity test bullshit as a justification to not even vote.

 

[kirblar]

The more likely it is that the Dems can beat the GOP in 2020 the more likely it is that a third party will emerge to take away Dem votes. Wouldn't surprise me if Bernie started something.

Nah, Bernie seems to be trying to grease his crazies into accepting the public option lol

Not the move you make if you're breaking away.

 

[B-Dubs]

Nah, Bernie seems to be trying to grease his crazies into accepting the public option lol

Not the move you make if you're breaking away.

Someone definitely sat him down explained the point of the public option. You can tell because his rhetoric shifted fairly suddenly.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Nah, Bernie seems to be trying to grease his crazies into accepting the public option lol

Not the move you make if you're breaking away.

Someone definitely sat him down explained the point of the public option. You can tell because his rhetoric shifted fairly suddenly.

your reading of this is backwards

bernie is the one dragging the dems to the left on health care and toward single payer.

in fact I think yglasis's take on bernie moderating to win the nomination is wrong. bernie is shifting away from mere rhetoric to actual governing proposals because he's not running and actually wants to set the ground work for the dem plan closer to his terms. he wants the dem who wins in 2020 to have a plan to actually enact.

 

[kirblar]

your reading of this is backwards

bernie is the one dragging the dems to the left on health care and toward single payer.

You literally do not understand the definition of single payer, as evidenced in the health care thread.

 

[PBY]

Someone definitely sat him down explained the point of the public option. You can tell because his rhetoric shifted fairly suddenly.

Not sure if this is what happened, but yes there has been a shift

 

[NYCmetsfan]

You literally do not understand the definition of single payer, as evidenced in the health care thread.

i absolutely do. I'm not wedded to technical descriptions of words and instead how they're commonly used.

and bernie's public option talk isn't new this has always been his game

march of this year

"Let us do, among other things, a public option. Let us give people in every state in this country a public option from which they can choose. Let's talk about lowering the age of Medicare eligibility from 65 to 55. Let's deal with the greed of the pharmaceutical industry," he said on CNN.

his comms the other day

"[Sanders has] said many times over the last six months that we need to move toward a Medicare-for-all system, but in the short-term we should improve the ACA with a public option and by lowering the Medicare eligibility age to 55," Josh Miller-Lewis, Sanders' deputy communications director, told ATTN:.

 

[whyamihere]

I guess my issue with the implicit begging of "cmon Mueller, hurry up" is that there might not end up being something to impeach Trump over, he may never be removed from office by Congress, and people need to accept that their best chance to get rid of Trump is on November 3rd, 2020, to act accordingly, and not put all of their hopes into this probe.

 

[kirblar]

i absolutely do. I'm not wedded to technical descriptions of words and instead how they're commonly used.

So you just don't like using language people can actually understand, then.

"Single Payer" meaning "Government is the baseline health care provider for every citizen" is not a "technical description"!

And here's wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_healthcare

Single-payer healthcare is a healthcare system in which the state, financed by taxes, covers basic healthcare costs for all residents regardless of income, occupation, or health status. The alternatives include "multi-payer" systems in which private individuals or their employers buy health insurance or healthcare services from private or public providers.

 

[Autodidact]

I guess my issue with the implicit begging of "cmon Mueller, hurry up" is that there might not end up being something to impeach Trump over, he may never be removed from office by Congress, and people need to accept that their best chance to get rid of Trump is on November 3rd, 2020, to act accordingly, and not put all of their hopes into this probe.

Shit, I can tolerate Trump if November 2018 goes well. If the House flips, his agenda will effectively be neutralized, and I wager that a D House/R Senate, supposing the Senate stays red, would be amenable to imposing new sanctions and handling the Russia business properly. He'd only be able to bitch on Twitter and give speeches for two years.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I think it would be far more likely that Trump would step down or be impeached due to something happening later than as a result of the 2016 election itself. That being said, I have to imagine that Mueller and co. are building a serious case, but I think everything will be done to stop them from doing anything with it.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Would Trump even step down?

 

[Autodidact]

Would Trump even step down?

I've entertained the thought of his resigning to avoid his family members being slapped with state charges he can't pardon.

Probably unrealistic, but I have to sleep at night.

 

[Chumley]

I think it would be far more likely that Trump would step down or be impeached due to something happening later than as a result of the 2016 election itself. That being said, I have to imagine that Mueller and co. are building a serious case, but I think everything will be done to stop them from doing anything with it.

With how far reaching this investigation is I have the impression that it doesn't reach a conclusion until 2019 and very possibly never implicates Trump directly. That's probably overly cynical but I'm trying to keep my expectations in check. Trump dying or resigning from mental incompetence seem like more likely avenues for him to not be president anymore than him getting impeached.

 

[royalan]

I guess my issue with the implicit begging of "cmon Mueller, hurry up" is that there might not end up being something to impeach Trump over, he may never be removed from office by Congress, and people need to accept that their best chance to get rid of Trump is on November 3rd, 2020, to act accordingly, and not put all of their hopes into this probe.

Pretty much this.

Hell, even if Mueller did find a smoking gun, a Republican Congress would still need to begin impeachment proceedings. And considering they've done nothing but make excuses for Trump so far, I don't have faith in that changing.

The probe is important and needs to continue, but Dems need to go into 18/20 preparing for the worst.

 

[Suikoguy]

speaking of Wisconsin, the carpetbagger from Ohio dropped out of the WI-1 primary

Not much of one if he already dropped out and endorsed someone...

 

[shinra-bansho]

Black women decide the Democratic primary.
So the clear frontrunners are Kamala Harris, and Tina Turner.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Pretty much this.

Hell, even if Mueller did find a smoking gun, a Republican Congress would still need to begin impeachment proceedings. And considering they've done nothing but make excuses for Trump so far, I don't have faith in that changing.

The probe is important and needs to continue, but Dems need to go into 18/20 preparing for the worst.

They've done alot more than just make excuses too, Ryan put Nunez in charge and he still refuses to recuse himself even after exposing himself as a Trump shill, and the republicans are fine with it. Cowardice

 

[Deuce Deuce]

Someone definitely sat him down explained the point of the public option. You can tell because his rhetoric shifted fairly suddenly.

Sanders has been about that public option for a while now. Article from 2010:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...otes-to-pass-public-option-via-reconciliation

The Senate has the 50 votes necessary to pass a public health insurance option using the budget reconciliation process, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Thursday.

Sanders, a self-described "democratic socialist" who supports the government-run plan, urged President Barack Obama to push for the public option even though the possibility of passing it appeared to die this week.

The Senate has the 50 votes necessary to pass a public health insurance option using the budget reconciliation process, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Thursday.

Sanders, a self-described "democratic socialist" who supports the government-run plan, urged President Barack Obama to push for the public option even though the possibility of passing it appeared to die this week.

"I think we do have 50 votes in the Senate for a public option and frankly I don't know why the president has not put it in and I hope that we can inject it," Sanders said on MSNBC. "I think it's a very important part of healthcare reform."
It's not clear if Sanders's remarks will encourage leaders to take up the public option, but they will surely give hope to his liberal supporters who have put pressure on Congress to pass a public plan.

The White House and Democratic leaders on Tuesday threw cold water on the possibility of pushing the proposal through, saying that there is not enough support in Congress to do so.

“We have seen, obviously, that though there are some that are supportive of this, there isn’t enough political support in a majority to get this through,” White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said this week.

He also helped introduce a Senate resolution pushing for it a few months before last year's election.

 

[ratcliffja]

Black women decide the Democratic primary.
So the clear frontrunners are Kamala Harris, and Tina Turner.

What's Tina got to do (got to do) with it?

 

[Wilsongt]

Black women decide the Democratic primary.
So the clear frontrunners are Kamala Harris, and Tina Turner.

We don't like Ike.

 

[RastaMentality]

Someone please explain to me how Harris is the 2020 frontrunner. How?? I've said it before, but every day that passes, I see it less and less - is it just because she looks the part (i.e. "the next Obama")?

I mean, looking the part and the way she engages with voters alone will help a ton with much needed minority turnout. It's not a bad thing.

 

[Suikoguy]

Black women decide the Democratic primary.
So the clear frontrunners are Kamala Harris, and Tina Turner.

 

[TiredofWinning]

Biden helped write the 1994 crime bill and was really weak in fighting the nomination of Clarence Thomas. Someone like Harris could attack Biden really easily over those issues.

Also the fact he'll be 80.

 

[Chumley]

Pretty much this.

Hell, even if Mueller did find a smoking gun, a Republican Congress would still need to begin impeachment proceedings. And considering they've done nothing but make excuses for Trump so far, I don't have faith in that changing.

The probe is important and needs to continue, but Dems need to go into 18/20 preparing for the worst.

If the probe ends right before 2020 and ties Trump to this shit it probably won't matter whether they impeach or not. It would be a landslide destruction in the election, and if it isn't then America is completely fucked regardless.

 

[royalan]

I mean, looking the part and the way she engages with voters alone will help a ton with much needed minority turnout. It's not a bad thing.

Also, and I'll admit this is anecdotal, but I'm already seeing black people, particularly young black people, coalesce around her in a way that's reminding me of 2004 - 2007 Obama. And that's important, because the more she shores up black support early, the less she'll have to do to keep it, which will give her more room to reach out and expand her base without risking a huge skepticism backlash.

 

[RastaMentality]

Really sucks there's no prominent latino candidate. Having someone who can speak authentic, believable spanish would be great.

 

[royalan]

Really sucks there's no prominent latino candidate. Having someone who can speak authentic, believable spanish would be great.

Agreed.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Really sucks there's no prominent latino candidate. Having someone who can speak authentic, believable spanish would be great.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBHuQgTRyvc

Here. Because really we all know the main qualification is going to be: be pretty.

 

[RastaMentality]

Also, and I'll admit this is anecdotal, but I'm already seeing black people, particularly young black people, coalesce around her in a way that's reminding me of 2004 - 2007 Obama. And that's important, because the more she shores up black support early, the less she'll have to do to keep it, which will give her more room to reach out and expand her base with risking a huge skepticism backlash.

It's definitely something that's happening. It's happening a lot in the Afro-Caribbean community especially. Booker hasn't done anything notable since the DNC speech so he's been losing steam. And I also believe it'll be really fucking hard for any of the non-black candidates to gain steam with black voters in a field with black candidates unless they have a developed, well-known history with civil rights. Also barring any major gaffes from Kamala/Cory/anyone else.

The other candidates are gonna show up just then saying Black Lives Matter or making any appeals period when Kamala and Cory have been doing it ever since Ferguson.

 

[whyamihere]

Really sucks there's no prominent latino candidate. Having someone who can speak authentic, believable spanish would be great.

I think if we lost in 20 and she won reelection, Cortez Masto would be a really strong candidate. Well liked, good machine, solid progressive. She just kind of ran behind the scenes and hates campaigning so probably wouldn't do a national campaign.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBHuQgTRyvc

Here. Because really we all know the main qualification is going to be: be pretty.

um, hello there

 

[Prof. Bathtub]

Feels like a regular OT reiteration of "Nothing Will Come Of This, just being realistic." I mean, I don't think the D officials themselves are the ones pinning everything on removal, and the activist base has been shown to be reasonably energized on specific healthcare issues (but can always be improved.) It feels like a dismissal of important issues to tell everybody to steel themselves from shock or outrage over the crimes that we do know, much less the ones that will be uncovered every few weeks. Expect the worse, but whether the talk is about 18/20 strategies or scandals/etc, we only have so much control.

 

[whyamihere]

Feels like a regular OT reiteration of "Nothing Will Come Of This, just being realistic." I mean, I don't think the D officials themselves are the ones pinning everything on removal, and the activist base has been shown to be reasonably energized on specific healthcare issues (but can always be improved.) It feels like a dismissal of important issues to tell everybody to steel themselves from shock or outrage over the crimes that we do know, much less the ones that will be uncovered every few weeks. Expect the worse, but whether the talk is about 18/20 strategies or scandals/etc, we only have so much control.

We can control:

Who we vote for

Who we give money to

Who we make calls for

Who we knock on doors for

We cannot control:

What Mueller will find in his probe

If a Republican House will impeach Trump if there is something impeachable

If a Republican Senate will removed an impeached Trump from a Democratic House

If a Democratic Senate will get a necessary 2/3 votes from Republican defectors to remove their party's own president

The probe will happen. Maybe there's something there. Maybe there's not. And if there's nothing there or nothing happens, we can't be deterred, and have to do the things we can control.

 

[Autodidact]

Black women decide the Democratic primary.
So the clear frontrunners are Kamala Harris, and Tina Turner.

"I'm your private dancer, a dancer for muuuhneee!"

What a neoliberal, corporatist, patriarchal shill.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBHuQgTRyvc

Here. Because really we all know the main qualification is going to be: be pretty.

Yum. Nevada caucus, in-deed.

 

[Pyrokai]

When do we....like....find out the Mueller verdict?

 

[Teggy]

All I know about the Mueller thing is he has been putting together a stable of some of the most successful prosecutors in the country. Last week he brought on one of top prosecutors of terrorists for some reason. So he either has some serious work to get done or he's giving his friends an easy paycheck.

 

[Suikoguy]

When do we....like....find out the Mueller verdict?

Sometime next year?

All I know about the Mueller thing is he has been putting together a stable of some of the most successful prosecutors in the country. Last week he brought on one of top prosecutors of terrorists for some reason. So he either has some serious work to get done or he's giving his friends an easy paycheck.

Yeah, and that's not Mueller at all.
It's why I have a high degree of confidence there has been progress.

 

[Autodidact]

When do we....like....find out the Mueller verdict?

Sadly, these investigations can take a while. I surmise that Mueller will be quicker than Ken Starr, who went on the most expensive fishing expedition ever and stumbled upon Lewinsky, but we could still be waiting at least a year.

 

[TiredofWinning]

When do we....like....find out the Mueller verdict?

You should research into Ken Starr's time as special prosecutor of Clinton if you want the answer.

It could last for years before anything substantial is found.

I mean the Congressional Whitewater investigation lasted from 1993 to only like six months before Clinton left office.

 

[VendettaRed07]

When do we....like....find out the Mueller verdict?

12-24 months

 

[Chumley]

When do we....like....find out the Mueller verdict?

Don't count on it happening during Trump's term. This is bigger than Watergate in scope so logic says it takes longer.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Don't count on it happening during Trump's term. This is bigger than Watergate in scope so logic says it takes longer.

Tech travels faster these days, so logic would not decide that. And not during Trump's term? lol what.

 

[Pixieking]

jesus, this is worse than the time I said the Irish were the first people to land in the Americas and became the Cherokee

lol... Sorry, I take it you were joking then.

(although, there is an interesting connection between the Native American Indians and the Irish )

 

[sc0la]

Black women decide the Democratic primary.
So the clear frontrunners are Kamala Harris, and Tina Turner.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

The more likely it is that the Dems can beat the GOP in 2020 the more likely it is that a third party will emerge to take away Dem votes. Wouldn't surprise me if Bernie started something.

Young voters will instinctively rationalize their support for it by thinking that Dems have a chance to win anyway and not be blamed for the GOP winning, and add a dose of purity test bullshit as a justification to not even vote.

Seems like young voters aren't passing your purity tests and it's really getting under your skin.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

lol... Sorry, I take it you were joking then.

No, I literally believed that