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The Susan Rice deflection did nothing to help their failing (sad!) ratings and she was a black woman. Imagine what little impact deflecting to Comey will make.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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The Susan Rice deflection did nothing to help their failing (sad!) ratings and she was a black woman. Imagine what little impact deflecting to Comey will make.
Uhh.....going completely logical, that's saying the cyber security unit CAN'T happen (which as president he can assure), but he did accomplish a ceasefire.
Is he upset that all the press coverage is about the cyber security unit, and not him getting a ceasefire?
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whyamihere
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It's a comedy.
I await Hannity's guzzling of Assange's cock this week.
Trump probably just finished watching the Sunday shows on DVR. Saw that everyone thought his cybersecurity idea was total shit. Now he's walking it back like he wasn't proud of it 12 hours ago. But of course he's got to claim a victory and mention the ceasefire.
Vlad probably won't let him go back home and watch TV next time.
Vlad probably won't let him go back home and watch TV next time.
Ether_Snake
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"I told Putin we would make this cyber thing, ok? So we would keep the hacking and other bad things safe, like in a box somewhere, a safe box, where it can't get out and do anything. So with that agreed on we could move on to do good things together to stop other hackers and other things, since we are on good terms now. Can't do that if we're not on good terms, just can't folks. Of course I didn't mean it, we're not going to do that, it was to get him to agree to a cease-fire you big dummies! He totally fell for it! You guys in the fake news media should say I'm a genius! Obama never got that! Win!"
Y'ALL I CAN'T WITH THIS BLATANT SHIT RIGHT NOW
The media says I want this, fake news!
You are unfamiliar with the Cucksford Comma?
whyamihere
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Dubbedinenglish
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Goddamnit
ShadowSwordmaster
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Holy Shit.
Ether_Snake
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So I just realized something.
With the previous cease-fires, Obama and Putin would not hesitate to take action if they felt it was necessary for their own interest; neither side would let the other profit from the cease-fire at the other's disadvantage.
Here, Trump is celebrating this cease-fire as if it was proof of his great negotiation skills, so he has an interest to have it maintained even if Russia took actions that would violate the cease-fire, or actions that would be disadvantageous to the US interests, in order to not look like he was played by Russia/Putin.
On the other hand, Russia could see the cease-fire as a good reason to play ball so as to give Trump credit for improving relations between both countries, so that he could push for this with more popular support over time. I assume right now this is what they are favoring, but they're not dumb; Trump has given more independence to the military in the chain of command, so this could fall apart any time.
But whether Russia decided to violate the cease-fire themselves or if the US did so instead, either way they will say it was the US military's fault. Either Trump will believe his military or pretend to, and say "bad Russia" and play the thought guy or whatever, or he will believe this was done by the US military because they're not following his plan and create a wedge between him and the military brass.
Whatever the case, he can pretty much only lose unless neither Russia nor the US break the cease-fire and peace is achieved.
Again I think Russia would benefit from making this a success, since Trump could proceed along as he would get a proof that his methods work. But it's a thin rope to walk, any side-step from either side is likely to lead to a loss for Trump.
With the previous cease-fires, Obama and Putin would not hesitate to take action if they felt it was necessary for their own interest; neither side would let the other profit from the cease-fire at the other's disadvantage.
Here, Trump is celebrating this cease-fire as if it was proof of his great negotiation skills, so he has an interest to have it maintained even if Russia took actions that would violate the cease-fire, or actions that would be disadvantageous to the US interests, in order to not look like he was played by Russia/Putin.
On the other hand, Russia could see the cease-fire as a good reason to play ball so as to give Trump credit for improving relations between both countries, so that he could push for this with more popular support over time. I assume right now this is what they are favoring, but they're not dumb; Trump has given more independence to the military in the chain of command, so this could fall apart any time.
But whether Russia decided to violate the cease-fire themselves or if the US did so instead, either way they will say it was the US military's fault. Either Trump will believe his military or pretend to, and say "bad Russia" and play the thought guy or whatever, or he will believe this was done by the US military because they're not following his plan and create a wedge between him and the military brass.
Whatever the case, he can pretty much only lose unless neither Russia nor the US break the cease-fire and peace is achieved.
Again I think Russia would benefit from making this a success, since Trump could proceed along as he would get a proof that his methods work. But it's a thin rope to walk, any side-step from either side is likely to lead to a loss for Trump.
I come to a different conclusion. Russia knows Trump is negotiating with an extremely weak hand, and thus they have a lot of latitude to violate the spirit of the ceasefire and pacify him with fake news PR. They'll test him. No cookie for guessing he isn't equal to that.
jack_package_200
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Hmmm
RustyNails
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I have a feeling that Trump is going to fire Rosenstein/Mueller very soon, like this week.
SatelliteOfLove
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So the Creamsicle-in-Chief's mental problems have begun to manifest in Sean "Dirty Harry" Hannity!
Yes, that is a real threat. He's dumb, he's desperate, and he's fucked.
BlastProcessing
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Seems possible.
Dubbedinenglish
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Hinting his kids is a livewire, we'll see how he reacts.
Chained Prometheus
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Wouldn't surprise me if he tries. I don't think it'd end well for him if he does it though.
Aaron Strife
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As badass as Schiff's boast was ("don't waste our time"), I kind of doubt the GOP would reappoint Mueller.
Not to say I disagree though. The Comey firing took a hit on Trump's approval rating that still hasn't really recovered. Another high-profile, clearly guilty firing would at best (for Trump) solidify that and at worst drop it even further.
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What's the point of firing Mueller? He's not saying anything and likely won't for a long time, so until then he can deny and people can get sick of the story. If he fires him it will only bring a bigger spotlight on all this.
More likely that Jared would step down from the administration. Mannafort is already out, and Jr. isn't in the admin.
More likely that Jared would step down from the administration. Mannafort is already out, and Jr. isn't in the admin.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
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Yeah but I think he really thought Dems couldn't complain about it since they wanted him out before, sort of. No defense for firing Mueller.
ShadowSwordmaster
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Trump is an idiot who doesn't know when to stop.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Jared's not going to step down, he's doing all the work Trump doesn't want to do and is one of the only people Trump trusts.
Trump's going to let the right-wing media spin this for him so his base stays ravenous and keep needling the GOP about healthcare.
Trump's going to let the right-wing media spin this for him so his base stays ravenous and keep needling the GOP about healthcare.
Beer Monkey
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Chained Prometheus
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I still think that if Mueller gets fired, the IC will force the GOP's hands to reinstate him like Schiff claimed. They'll probably want to avoid reappointing Mueller, especially at first, but I can see them potentially being forced to cave.
But yeah, if Trump fires Mueller like he did Comey, it's not going to help his approval ratings at all.
He doesn't even bother to proofread
NYMag: Attack, Attack, Attack
Why does Trump double-down every time it seems like he should retreat? Because Steve Bannon is back in his bosss good graces.
Why does Trump double-down every time it seems like he should retreat? Because Steve Bannon is back in his bosss good graces.
TheLaughingStock
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It's sad that he said all that garbage about Hillary Clinton handling information and embarrassed himself here in spectacular fashion. Moreover, it would be a true shame if it turns out he's simply in violation of standards and won't face criminal charges.
NYCmetsfan
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the times stories are very clear that the leaks are coming from the white house not mueller.
he's going to attack the media not mueller
flipp_jackson
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more like MAGA Carta amirite?
ann coulter is the worst.
ann coulter is the worst.
The constitution probably proved too flexible in her mind. She is probably still salty that we let brown people and women vote.
ayyyyyyy my man
Or, ya know, maybe he didn't actually do anything wrong? The Hill article is speculating. We know that Comey's testimony revealing the memos was run by Mueller before it happened. You think Mueller was gonna let Comey go out there and jeopardize some of the most crucial evidence (and a star witness in Comey) to the investigation? Sure, Jan.
The crucial insight that people seem to be missing.
Testimony and reveal were greenlit by Mueller. Comey's fine.
I mean, she's against the fourteenth amendment.
Some late night thoughts.
How much is the US constitution in need of repair? This summary of a study (https://journalistsresource.org/stu.../decline-influence-united-states-constitution) says that these days most countries prefer to model their constitutions on Canada's instead.
Do you think if this whole Trump matter blows up that there will be real changes to the constitution? Or do you think the country's already too polarized for that?
How much is the US constitution in need of repair? This summary of a study (https://journalistsresource.org/stu.../decline-influence-united-states-constitution) says that these days most countries prefer to model their constitutions on Canada's instead.
Do you think if this whole Trump matter blows up that there will be real changes to the constitution? Or do you think the country's already too polarized for that?
Wag
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Fuck it. I was trying to figure out what he was saying but then I had a stroke.
I think the President's ability to Pardon is too general, and should be restricted. The first change I would make is the inability to pardon any Executive of the Federal Government.
I think the Executive Branch needs to be strong, but too much power lies in the President himself.
I think the process of proposing amendments needs to occur automatically every year. Have representatives of all 50 states gather with the explicit goal of discussing ideas for amendments. There is no open discussion on how to improve our constitution right now.
Hi PoliGAF, what do we think the status of Obamacare repeal is?
I think that they are hopelessly divided and will never agree on anything.
Still, though I am calling my Senators all the time. Well Jeff Flake mostly. McCain just got reelected and might retire after his term is done. So he will probably vote for whatever if a vote happens. There is some slight possibility that Jeff Flake can be persuaded. Arizona is a Medicaid expansion state and Flake is up for reelection next year.
I think that they are hopelessly divided and will never agree on anything.
Still, though I am calling my Senators all the time. Well Jeff Flake mostly. McCain just got reelected and might retire after his term is done. So he will probably vote for whatever if a vote happens. There is some slight possibility that Jeff Flake can be persuaded. Arizona is a Medicaid expansion state and Flake is up for reelection next year.
I think the Obamacare repeal is effectively dead at this point.
What I think they will likely start doing is replacing and updating single pieces, and play many of them up as monumental achievements. I expect that change to Medicaid to have a Block Grant option will actually get through. I expect them to make a solid effort to try to remove the individual/employer mandate, but be unsuccessful. They will also make solid efforts to remove the 3.8% Capital gains tax, which I think they will manage to weasel though by tacking it to another bill (Like the Federal Budget)
What I think they will likely start doing is replacing and updating single pieces, and play many of them up as monumental achievements. I expect that change to Medicaid to have a Block Grant option will actually get through. I expect them to make a solid effort to try to remove the individual/employer mandate, but be unsuccessful. They will also make solid efforts to remove the 3.8% Capital gains tax, which I think they will manage to weasel though by tacking it to another bill (Like the Federal Budget)
Same
"B-b-but he can't" crowd is going to have another wake up call. He can and he will go full Nixon and beyond that before this is all over.
Living up to your username and avatar as always. Must be tiring being wrong all the time about everything you post.
He in theory can't directly fire Mueller. I give it a 50/50 chance that he does just flat out fire Mueller, even if he doesn't have the authority.
The other 50% chance is he just goes the Nixon Route, replaces Rosenstein, and has Rosenstein's replacement fire Mueller.
The other 50% chance is he just goes the Nixon Route, replaces Rosenstein, and has Rosenstein's replacement fire Mueller.
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