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[Greigor The Fellhand]

that gallup is tasty.

And yes, all the Vets I know are disgusted with trump. the ones that were still okay two weeks ago changed last week. After the secretive meeting with Putin, and the announcement of Joint cyber security task force, with no input from the military.

Also you know, not being a commander and chief.


In 3 weeks I expect the -% on military bases to be at -14%+

 

[RumbleHumble]

https://www.vox.com/2017/7/13/15964518/leaked-senate-bill-outline

It's leaked a bit early. And it's even more awful than before.

Is the language of the outline written by Vox or written by bill creators?

 

[Barzul]

Cassidy and Graham are working on a separate bill it seems.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politics/lindsey-graham-bill-cassidy-health-care-plan/index.html

Just throw in more confusion in the process, please.

 

[Kevinroc]

Is the language of the outline written by Vox or written by bill creators?

These are the talking points created by the GOP. The language is exactly the same as the document Andy Slavitt posted on his twitter.

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/885510579674284032

 

[Citainus]

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[RumbleHumble]

These are the talking points created by the GOP. The language is exactly the same as the document Andy Slavitt posted on his twitter.

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/885510579674284032

Got it! Almost started worrying about Vox's sanity for a moment.

 

[Barzul]

They added Cruz's amendment. It's dead Jim.

 

[RustyNails]

They added Cruz's amendment. It's dead Jim.

Grandmaster Tactician McConnell will get 53 votes. Dont underestimate the political genius.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Master political mind.

The GOP MO.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

They added Cruz's amendment. It's dead Jim.

You know, I can buy having to be in contact with Ted for so long forced people to give up.

 

[Tamanon]

It'd be funny if this was all being set up to have Cruz be the murderer of the bill instead of the moderates.

 

[kirblar]

It'd be funny if this was all being set up to have Cruz be the murderer of the bill instead of the moderates.

Even funnier if he was in California when the amendment was added.

 

[RumbleHumble]

It'd be funny if this was all being set up to have Cruz be the murderer of the bill instead of the moderates.

Republicans blame Trump. Trump blames McConnell. McConnell blames Cruz?

 

[RustyNails]

It'd be funny if this was all being set up to have Cruz be the murderer of the bill instead of the moderates.

McConnell the Master Baiter.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Republicans blame Trump. Trump blames McConnell. McConnell blames Cruz?

Who does Cruz blame? The Democrats?

 

[AntraxSuicide]

That's really weird, because the question absolutely isn't phrased like that. It seems the only thing you could omit would be stuff related to travel. If you can omit other things then the question should be changed.

It should definitely be changed, but that's also how a lot of that stuff goes. When I was a defense contractor, I went through hell for my clearance because I said that I had gone by other legal names in the past (my parents weren't married when I was born and I was given my mom's last name at birth since my dad was in jail lol; they legally changed it when I was an infant). One of my security guys said I could've just not mentioned it because it wasn't really the kind of thing they were looking for.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Is Cruz's amendment essentially a way of fooling the CBO score? More people being insured with plans that cover nothing?

 

[Greigor The Fellhand]

so Jeff sessions only released one page, everything redacted on it save one line. to congress.

https://thinkprogress.org/jeff-sessions-blank-sheet-of-paper-russia-contacts-9f9050877e96

According to NPR, a “recently-launched ethics watchdog group called American Oversight filed a Freedom of Information Act request in March for sections of the Standard Form 86 [i.e., security clearance] relating to Sessions’ contacts ‘with any official of the Russian government.’” On June 12, a judge ordered the DOJ to comply with the request within 30 days.

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Per DOJ spox, Kislyak not listed b/c Sessions "was instructed not to list meetings" he had as Senator with foreign dignitaries & their staff

can we hold the attorney general in contempt?

 

[RumbleHumble]

Who does Cruz blame? The Democrats?

Obama. It's all that damn Obama's fault!

 

[RumbleHumble]

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[Vestal]

Just got a WaPo Alert.

Turtle has released a new Healthcare plan. Includes "Bare bone" plans.

 

[Plinko]

Just got a WaPo Alert.

Turtle has released a new Healthcare plan. Includes "Bare bone" plans.

People were not protesting at town halls due to lack of "bare bones" plans.

 

[RustyNails]

Just got a WaPo Alert.

Turtle has released a new Healthcare plan. Includes "Bare bone" plans.

Isn't this ass backwards? The people in low risk pool were never in question - who this Bare Bones plan works for. It's the high risk pool that need more coverage.

Need more deets.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

People were not protesting at town halls due to lack of "bare bones" plans.

And moderates weren't voting no due to a lack of them either...

 

[You Know Nothing]

Just what everyone wanted. To have the privilege to give money to health insurance companies for less coverage!

 

[Tamanon]

Oddly enough, it looks like they took away the tax cuts, but left the medicaid cuts.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

It just occurred to me that Trump is the bad parts of Nixon and Carter rolled into one.

 

[oti]

BREAKING: Senate Judiciary Committee chairman says he is asking Donald Trump Jr. to testify; will subpoena if necessary.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/885525669643505664

 

[Zolo]

Oddly enough, it looks like they took away the tax cuts, but left the medicaid cuts.

I imagine the idea is they can just do those in tax reform?

 

[Greigor The Fellhand]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/885525669643505664

they need to start subpoenaing right out the gate

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Oddly enough, it looks like they took away the tax cuts, but left the medicaid cuts.

They took away the tax cuts? The fuck?

 

[Hubbl3]

so Jeff sessions only released one page, everything redacted on it save one line. to congress.

https://thinkprogress.org/jeff-sessions-blank-sheet-of-paper-russia-contacts-9f9050877e96

can we hold the attorney general in contempt?

I can't find any kind of followup articles or updates to this. Hopefully either the Dems or this ethics group doesn't just take this laying down

 

[RumbleHumble]

They took away the tax cuts? The fuck?

Everybody loses! Yeah Republicans!

 

[Greigor The Fellhand]

I can't find any kind of followup articles or updates to this. Hopefully either the Dems or this ethics group doesn't just take this laying down

this literally just happened, expect follow up articles early next week

 

[Amibguous Cad]

I think the Ezra Klein show is really underrated - depending on the guest it's golden. It really topical, though.

NPR politics podcast is good if you just want the basics.

 

[Autodidact]

That Gallup poll gives me life. He'll always be positive among Evangelicals because their loony asses can justify almost anything, but he could conceivably fall underwater with every other group.

 

[Hubbl3]

this literally just happened, expect follow up articles early next week

I guess follow up statement would've been a better phrase for me to use. I'm curious to see what's being said about an obvious sleight from Sessions

 

[Tamanon]

On a theoretical level, I'll never understand evangelical love for Trump.

He's basically every character from a fable we're supposed to learn a lesson from. There's no real, Christian core to his character.

 

[Crocodile]

Oddly enough, it looks like they took away the tax cuts, but left the medicaid cuts.

So its no longer an ACA "Repeal and Replace" but just a "fuck Medicaid" bill? I mean it always was but this is more transparent LOL

 

[Autodidact]

On a theoretical level, I'll never understand evangelical love for Trump.

He's basically every character from a fable we're supposed to learn a lesson from. There's no real, Christian core to his character.

Easy. They have no "real, Christian core" either and use their religion to justify their hatred of other people.

 

[Zolo]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/885525669643505664

I know it's a mistake, but reading twitter replies acting like saying a subpoena will be issued if necessary is some way to make Jr. look bad when it's simply stating the facts is sure something.

 

[Necrovex]

I think the Ezra Klein show is really underrated - depending on the guest it's golden. It really topical, though.

NPR politics podcast is good if you just want the basics.

Ezra is certainly one of the better interviewers. I quite enjoy listening to his show when the guest member piques my interest.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

So its no longer an ACA "Repeal and Replace" but just a "fuck Medicaid" bill? I mean it always was but this is more transparent LOL

Also, it allows insurance companies to fuck other citizens with "FREEDOM PLANS"

 

[Hindl]

On a theoretical level, I'll never understand evangelical love for Trump.

He's basically every character from a fable we're supposed to learn a lesson from. There's no real, Christian core to his character.

Evangelicals believe flawed characters can be conduits for God's will, and also their biggest issue is abortion. Trump says he'll stop them, so they'll overlook other flaws. Plus evangelicals are hypocritical pieces of shit

 

[RumbleHumble]

Supposedly the Senate is considering getting HHS to score Cruz's health care amendment because there are concerns CBO would take too long:

https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/885513743261741056

 

[Amibguous Cad]

This... looks like it's a good deal better than the prior bill?

-It's clear that the Obamacare exchanges will go into a death spiral and become de facto high risk pools as healthy people flee to programs without mandated health benefits. But the Obamacare exchanges have an open-ended commitment to subsidization and affordability, I believe. They'll remain affordable; the government will pick up the tab. Meanwhile, premiums will be lower for the healthy people that flee. Basically, someone has to pay for the sick; under the new plan, the government picks up the tab, and under the old plan, healthy people in your same risk pool did.

I'm least confident about this one - chiefly it relies on having the political will to maintain the subsidies after the comprehensive plans become a kind of ersatz Medicaid for the sick.

-HSAs aren't a panacea, but as a means to put private health spending on an even playing field with tax exempt employer provided health insurance, I think they're a great idea.

-greater subsidies for catastrophic coverage is straightforwardly a good thing?

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/213941/trump-stalwart-geopolitical-regions-religious-rural.aspx

Tasty new Gallup poll compares Trump approval among various geo-economic classes. He's uh, he's not doing great.

Wow his favorables are dropping considerably, and we're not even at the 1-year mark yet.

 

[Ogodei]

Easy. They have no "real, Christian core" either and use their religion to justify their hatred of other people.

If you prioritize stopping abortions and gay marriage at the price of everything else your religion stands for, then tactically it makes sense. I give the Evangelicals credit in that they're able to swallow their pride and vote for the side that helps them more even if the candidate isn't perfectly up to their standards, unlike far too many on the left.

My argument, of course, is that this is a very reductionist view of Christian teaching, but what would an agnostic like me know?

 

[RumbleHumble]

Evangelicals believe flawed characters can be conduits for God's will, and also their biggest issue is abortion. Trump says he'll stop them, so they'll overlook other flaws. Plus evangelicals are hypocritical pieces of shit

Evangelicals are Republican first, "Christian" second. With few exceptions.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

On a theoretical level, I'll never understand evangelical love for Trump.

He's basically every character from a fable we're supposed to learn a lesson from. There's no real, Christian core to his character.

Turns out there's no such thing as a white "Evangelical Christian" voting bloc!