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[RumbleHumble]

Instead of realizing that Trump holds grudges and will campaign against him no matter what, Heller's considering robbing his constituents of their healthcare only to be campaigned against anyway.

I love our darling "moderates".

 

[VendettaRed07]

At this point, if this leads to nothing I'd love for the 2020 nominees to openly court foreign countries for help. If the GOP isn't going to care about Russian collusion then Russia is going to go all in 2020 anyway.

Of all the ideas tossed around in this thread, this is one of the worst.

The political arms race has already have made politicians do too much and go too far because "the other guy is doing it too."

But if this is seriously what it is going to come to it isn't even worth it.

 

[RumbleHumble]

He probably violated a law.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40585149

Do we really have to shoot down another baseless talking point again? It's Friday for fuck's sake. He likely broke multiple laws in the cover up, let alone, as this kind poster pointed out, in knowingly meeting with someone he thought was an agent of the Russian government for campaign oppo.

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

The alt right conspiracy theory nutcases are going to have a field day with the story on Peter Smith

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-peter-smith-death-met-0713-20170713-story.html

 

[Kusagari]

Was Heller even really a moderate darling outside of this one time where he's simply waffling to save his own ass?

 

[nature boy]

Manu Raju‏Verified account
@mkraju

Manu Raju Retweeted John Kasich
Kasich puts Portman in a jam; calls the new Senate health care plan "unacceptable"

Hmmm...

 

[Teggy]

The verdict against the woman who laughed during the sessions hearing was thankfully thrown out. Still has to be tried again, though.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5967de92e4b0d6341fe7a9e2


And jrs lawyer said the sixth guy was a TRANSLATOR(!!!) lololololololol

 

[Plinko]

Hmmm...

Kasich coming up big again.

 

[tbm24]

Of all the ideas tossed around in this thread, this is one of the worst.

The political arms race has already have made politicians do too much and go too far because "the other guy is doing it too."

But if this is seriously what it is going to come to it isn't even worth it.

Well sure, but at this point what am I to expect? Partisan politics to go away? It's only going to get worse if republicans go as far as to not give a shit that these emails exist and are explicit as they are. So then what? If this rabbit hole goes even further than we already know(which looks likely), what else is there to do but blow the roof off the whole thing and force something that makes all this shit illegal instead of just frowned upon.

 

[Plinko]

Taniel‏Verified account @Taniel

And in Senate, McConnell didn't send provision to CBO in time; so chamber may now use the analysis of Tom Price's HHS instead of the CBO's.

Again, the idea that "they didn't finish in time" is asinine. This was purposeful, and Price's analysis is going to be insanely wrong. This is a huge, huge problem.

Have any of them publicly said, "We'll wait for the CBO, not Price's score?"

 

[RumbleHumble]

Again, the idea that "they didn't finish in time" is asinine. This was purposeful, and Price's analysis is going to be insanely wrong. This is a huge, huge problem.

Have any of them publicly said, "We'll wait for the CBO, not Price's score?"

From what I'm aware of, Portman sure hasn't. I think Heller hasn't either.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Kasich is the kind of Republican I think used to be more prevalent in the party: some dumb ass backwards conservative but willing to rise to the occasion when it comes to certain principles above party politics. Makes me sad he's a dying breed

 

[Eidan]

The alt right conspiracy theory nutcases are going to have a field day with the story on Peter Smith

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-peter-smith-death-met-0713-20170713-story.html

That was fairly predictable.

 

[Teggy]

Akhmetshin said Trump Jr. asked the attorney for evidence of illicit money flowing to the Democratic National Committee, but Veselnitskaya said she didn’t have that information. She said the Trump campaign would need to research it more, and after that Trump Jr. lost interest, according to Akhmetshin.

“They couldn’t wait for the meeting to end,” Akhmetshin said.

https://apnews.com/dceed1008d8f45af...n-lobbyist-says-he-was-in-Trump-son's-meeting

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Kasich is the kind of Republican I think used to be more prevalent in the party: some dumb ass backwards conservative but willing to rise to the occasion when it comes to certain principles above party politics. Makes me sad he's a dying breed

Not dying, dead.

 

[BlastProcessing]

It's really bad optics, but he may not be volating a law.

The law says that you can't solicit things of value from foreign nationals. It doesn't matter what happened at the meeting. An cop undercover as a hooker doesn't actually need to consummate an agreement to bust someone for solicitation. Same thing here.

Beyond that there is a 0% that this was their only interaction with Russian foreign nationals. They were so close to getting what they wanted, why would they just quit after one meeting? They didn't check back in with the Agalarovs to say "Wtf where is our oppo?"

The Russians after getting a clear signal that Team Trump was onboard with conspiring with them didn't pursue it any further? No, there is so much more here and it's going to keep dripping out.

 

[kirblar]

I wonder if Putin's done with Trump at this point since he's been so ineffective at actually doing anything they want, making destabilization the next-best option.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Guys, I'm developing oppioid addiction

 

[Crimson_Gold]

I wonder if Putin's done with Trump at this point since he's been so ineffective at actually doing anything they want, making destabilization the next-best option.

He's done. The operation is being scuttled and some "rogue" faction that was trying to garner favor will be blamed for this. Trump and friends blew this. They weren't even expected to get this far

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

https://apnews.com/dceed1008d8f45af...n-lobbyist-says-he-was-in-Trump-son's-meeting

In reports this week, Akhmetshin has been identified as a former Russian counterintelligence officer. He denied ever serving in such a capacity.

“That is not correct,” Akhmetshin said. He said he served in the Soviet Army from 1986 to 1988 after he was drafted but was not trained in spy tradecraft.

Akhmetshin said he has not been contacted by the special counsel’s office or the FBI about the meeting with Trump Jr., but said he is willing to talk to investigators.

“I think I have a legal right to tell my story,” he said.

hehehe

 

[Dierce]

I wonder if Putin's done with Trump at this point since he's been so ineffective at actually doing anything they want, making destabilization the next-best option.

I think Putin's intention from the beginning was showing the world that Russia can influence western countries. It was more about pride than anything else. And I also agree, destabilization for him is the added bonus.

 

[Abinash117]

<put on his tinfoil heat, takes out his fanfic notebook>

What if it's the Russians?
So Trump fails to deliver on dropping their sanctions so they decide to give him a warning shot by leaking something which is actually not a presidency ending deal at the end of the day, but with a clear message, that the pee pee tape is next.

Makes you think.

Okay so yeah, you're gonna say the NYT sites White House sources, but what if they're all Russian spies in deep cover?

Makes you thonk.

Will not be surprising if it ends up being true after the sanction bill is passed.

 

[Host Samurai]

@kylegriffin1
The private email of the State Department's top Russia intelligence official has reportedly been hacked

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/885877232656363521

This is scary. I wish I can wake up from this nightmare

 

[Plinko]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/885877232656363521

And Clown Shoes wants to form a joint cybersecurity force.

 

[RumbleHumble]

I think Putin's intention from the beginning was showing the world that Russia can influence western countries. It was more about pride than anything else. And I also agree, destabilization for him is the added bonus.

Agreed, Putin won before he even got Trump elected.

 

[tbm24]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/885877232656363521

China working through that guy in NJ have no shame.

 

[RumbleHumble]

And Clown Shoes wants to form a joint cybersecurity force.

It's just another example of the kind of "collaboration" we can expect in the future.

 

[Plinko]

Sam Stein&#8207;Verified account @samstein 10m10 minutes ago

The Russian official who attended the Don Jr. meeting was at a dinner at the GOP’s Cap Hill Club nights later

No, no, republicans, please continue telling me GOP officials didn't know about this.

 

[Teggy]

OMG so transparent!

KEY UPDATE: Futerfas called back to say there was a THIRD person in room - & it's NOT clear the person NBC described is person he spoke with

 

[Blader]

Doesn't the Senate still need the CBO score before voting on the bill? It's not like the HHS score can substitute for CBO's, right?

 

[PBY]

Doesn't the Senate still need the CBO score before voting on the bill? It's not like the HHS score can substitute for CBO's, right?

They don't need it

 

[Wilsongt]

At this point I am convinced someone literally slept with a Russian.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

At this point I am convinced someone literally slept with a Russian.

Ivanka

 

[benicillin]

Doesn't the Senate still need the CBO score before voting on the bill? It's not like the HHS score can substitute for CBO's, right?

At this point it's best for your own sanity if you assume that there are no rules in our government (there aren't) and everything was based on years of tradition and loose agreements that mean absolutely nothing if they don't feel like abiding by them.

They don't *need* the CBO to do anything.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

At this point it's best for your own sanity if you assume that there are no rules in our government (there aren't) and everything was based on years of tradition and loose agreements that mean absolutely nothing if they don't feel like abiding by them.

They don't *need* the CBO to do anything.

This is so true. And if the parliamentarian pushes back, they can simply be fired and replaced. Old fashioned pressure will have to keep working here. And even that's a stretch because the GOP are inhuman and power hungry.

 

[whyamihere]

This was a McConnell advisor. I'm... I just don't understand even the POV on this?

@HolmesJosh
I have yet to speak with a single GOP campaign expert who believes there is more political peril passing this health bill than not.

Like, if they don't pass this, their base won't turn out at the midterms? But they're actively taking away healthcare from your base!

 

[balladofwindfishes]

They don't need it

They need to prove it can pass via reconciliation

 

[Zolo]

This was a McConnell advisor. I'm... I just don't understand even the POV on this?



Like, if they don't pass this, their base won't turn out at the midterms? But they're actively taking away healthcare from your base!

The majority of these people have campaigned on repealing Obamacare.

 

[benicillin]

This was a McConnell advisor. I'm... I just don't understand even the POV on this?



Like, if they don't pass this, their base won't turn out at the midterms? But they're actively taking away healthcare from your base!

Would you expect a McConnell advisor to say literally anything else?

 

[whyamihere]

The majority of these people have campaigned on repealing Obamacare.

I guess, but their base thought repealing Obamacare = lower prices, better healthcare. What happens when it doesn't? It seems to me the political calculus would be better spent on saying the bill was imperfect versus taking away their voter base's health insurance.

 

[Wilsongt]

Ivanka

Or Tiffany. It's why you don't see her. Putin holding her hostage.

 

[Aaron Strife]

This was a McConnell advisor. I'm... I just don't understand even the POV on this?



Like, if they don't pass this, their base won't turn out at the midterms? But they're actively taking away healthcare from your base!

Many of them just think "oh well there's no way my R+2 district/state would ever throw ME out" because they've had the comfort of running on stopping Obama for the last eight years and nothing else.

 

[Wilsongt]

I guess, but their base thought repealing Obamacare = lower prices, better healthcare. What happens when it doesn't? It seems to me the political calculus would be better spent on saying the bill was imperfect versus taking away their voter base's health insurance.

Blame Obama!!

These people were elected in solely to repeal Obamacare. Nothing else.

 

[whyamihere]

Would you expect a McConnell advisor to say literally anything else?

Sorry, to be clear, former. And I guess! I just don't quite understand, their bill is polling at 17%!

They were elected to find a better alternative to Obamacare. They... didn't.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I guess, but their base thought repealing Obamacare = lower prices, better healthcare. What happens when it doesn't? It seems to me the political calculus would be better spent on saying the bill was imperfect versus taking away their voter base's health insurance.

That's the conundrum they find themselves in.

No matter what they do, they are screwed. This is why they've been baking in provisions like "It doesn't actually start until like 2019 or 2020".

There's a political game at play there. Starting it after the 2018 midterms makes it easier to say the deleterious effects of the bill are the fault of the party in control, which after 2018 will likely be the Dems in the House.

Reps only play dirty politics today. Dems need to start.

 

[BlastProcessing]

@jeaneaglesham
Jared Kushner had up to $250,000 of Israeli bonds not shown on his initial government financial disclosure https://www.wsj.com/articles/startu...le-is-part-owned-by-kushner-family-1500045800 … via @WSJ

Oh Kushy, what are we gonna do with you?

 

[Aaron Strife]

Sorry, to be clear, former. And I guess! I just don't quite understand, their bill is polling at 17%!

They were elected to find a better alternative to Obamacare. They... didn't.

You know they'll never admit to that.

What is insane is they managed to write a bill that would be worse than just doing a clean repeal.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

side note: Gallup daily tracker picking up another measurable rise in approval during Trump's foreign trip, just like the last time

People literally like him better when he's not around, lol

 

[Box of Kittens]

That's the conundrum they find themselves in.

No matter what they do, they are screwed. This is why they've been baking in provisions like "It doesn't actually start until like 2019 or 2020".

There's a political game at play there. Starting it after the 2018 midterms makes it easier to say the deleterious effects of the bill are the fault of the party in control, which after 2018 will likely be the Dems in the House.

Reps only play dirty politics today. Dems need to start.

That's a pretty terrible political game. People blame the president who's up for re-election, not the House.

 

[Beer Monkey]

@jeaneaglesham
Jared Kushner had up to $250,000 of Israeli bonds not shown on his initial government financial disclosure https://www.wsj.com/articles/startu...le-is-part-owned-by-kushner-family-1500045800 … via @WSJ

Oh Kushy, what are we gonna do with you?

It's really hard to fill out forms even when your accountants know all this shit.