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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house

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I just checked the margins in PA, WI, and MI. Stein's votes would've put Hillary over the top.

This was not true after the election, but perhaps the count has been updated subsequently.

Regardless, third-party candidates largely serve as a vehicle for people who would not otherwise vote, not as a sieve for people who would have voted for one of the two major third-party candidates.
 

chadskin

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I half expect Sanders to actually be involved in all this. He had the Russian disinformation campaign putting their support behind him, as testified by Comey in his first public House Hearing about the Russian Election interference. While it was likely a one sided affair just to weaken Hillary's position, I am still remain skeptical.

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Except Stein's votes don't put Hillary over-the-top.
I thought they did? Well, that makes me feel marginally better. It's still the exact same playbook of targeting impressionable first-time voters (on campuses in particular) and promising entirely impossible things.

Fun fact: The CNN Libertarian & Green town hall event some time ago in their ultimate attempt to do a "both sides" thing was their lowest-ever evening ratings! I know things are going well for them now, but back when it was desperate I figured they should just put Anthony Bourdain's face on the screen for 4 hours a night and they'd beat at least MSNBC.
Kill me. And fuck Ed. The hell happened to you, man?
 

Vixdean

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Come on guys, I'm pretty sure Bernie is clean. I mean, he probably used his Senate office to help his wife commit mortgage fraud, but other than that he's clean. A little mortgage fraud never hurt anyone!
 
I half expect Sanders to actually be involved in all this. He had the Russian disinformation campaign putting their support behind him, as testified by Comey in his first public House Hearing about the Russian Election interference. While it was likely a one sided affair just to weaken Hillary's position, I am still remain skeptical.
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sc0la

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lmao they asked don jr to turn over any communications he had with Vladimir putin. Can you imagine how pissed senior will be if he finds out Jr got to meet him first?
 

kess

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I'd like to see a breakdown of how many people with "Coexist" bumper stickers ended up voting for a candidate who is a fellow traveller with a guy who says immigrants are taking over Europe.
 

Chumly

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This was not true after the election, but perhaps the count has been updated subsequently.

Regardless, third-party candidates largely serve as a vehicle for people who would not otherwise vote, not as a sieve for people who would have voted for one of the two major third-party candidates.
Looks like after all the provision ballets were counted her votes would have put Hillary over the top
 

Teggy

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LOL Mensch's latest is that Fox News is colluding with Russia. She must cackle to herself every morning thinking how much more outlandish her stories can get before these desperate followers finally start wondering if her "sources" are actually real.
 
1) 2016 was the closet Senate election McCain ever had in Arizona

2) WTF the Green party candidate got 5%? STOP DOING THAT VOTE FOR AWKWARD ANN
 
Based on comparisons to previous elections I would say that about 1/3 of Stein's vote was core Green Party voters who were not really in play and the rest were protest votes that may have been winnable under different circumstances.
 
This was not true after the election, but perhaps the count has been updated subsequently.

Regardless, third-party candidates largely serve as a vehicle for people who would not otherwise vote, not as a sieve for people who would have voted for one of the two major third-party candidates.

They had been updated in PA afterwards and yeah, her votes all going to Hillary would've won her the election. Which wouldn't have happened.
 
TRUMP: But what it does, Maggie, it means it gets tougher and tougher. As they get something, it gets tougher. Because politically, you can't give it away. So pre-existing conditions are a tough deal. Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you're 21 years old, you start working and you're paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you're 70, you get a nice plan. Here's something where you walk up and say, ”I want my insurance." It's a very tough deal, but it is something that we're doing a good job of.
What is he even talking about? I remember something like this from Trump before, but I think it was $12 per month (edit: $15). Does Trump know how much health insurance costs? Or works?

I really want someone to press him on this. Like, if one of his signature issues is going to be health insurance, it's kind of a big deal if he doesn't understand the difference between health insurance and life insurance. This is beyond just not understanding policy.
 

kess

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Johnson was even a bigger stooge than Stein, although for different reasons. Dude has just gone back to pushing bog-standard GOP cliches and he casually ignores Sessions's assault on on drug users, even though he cynically based his appeal on liberalizing drug laws.

Contrast this with Weld, who saw the writing on the wall and tried to stop Trump. At the end of the day Johnson was and is a Potemkin Republican.
 
What is he even talking about? I remember something like this from Trump before, but I think it was $12 per month (edit: $15). Does Trump know how much health insurance costs? Or works?

I really want someone to press him on this. Like, if one of his signature issues is going to be health insurance, it's kind of a big deal if he doesn't understand the difference between health insurance and life insurance. This is beyond just not understanding policy.

Fuck with him and ask if health insurance plans cover suicide.

So with Net Neutrality pretty much confirmed to disappear what are some actions we can take? How long do you think we have before ISPs start inflicting severe limits?

Support the ACLU so they can take the issue to court. Numerous sources and analysts have stated that Pai's decision could very well be overturned.

I also wouldn't anticipate any major changes, funnily enough. The ISPs and companies know that a Democratic president and/or Congress will reinstate the rules sooner rather than later. (Personally, I'd prefer to see Congress codify it in legislation so we can avoid this back-and-forth struggle in the future.) Therefore, they probably won't make any radical changes. Why invest the time and money when you'll have to reverse course eventually? Remember that these behemoth corporations make 5- and 10-year plans.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
If Bernie Sanders turns out to have been knowingly working with Russia then I'll let kirblar pick any tag he wants for me.

Knowingly? No way. There was some reporting about how they saw their Facebook groups overwhelmed by fake news and tried to push back when it got too insane.

If he was colluding then we're going to need a full overhaul of how we decide who gets to run. Gonna need background checks on every candidate and FBI monitors on every campaign and shit if it's more than just Trump. And I really don't like the idea of any of that since another Trump or Nixon running for reelection (or a partisan monitor) could really abuse it.

We better hope it stops with Trump (and the GOP high command) or we're all in it deep.
 
I thought they did? Well, that makes me feel marginally better. It's still the exact same playbook of targeting impressionable first-time voters (on campuses in particular) and promising entirely impossible things.

Fun fact: The CNN Libertarian & Green town hall event some time ago in their ultimate attempt to do a "both sides" thing was their lowest-ever evening ratings! I know things are going well for them now, but back when it was desperate I figured they should just put Anthony Bourdain's face on the screen for 4 hours a night and they'd beat at least MSNBC.
Kill me. And fuck Ed. The hell happened to you, man?

You're surprised? Ed has always been about the pay day. Look up how he actually ended up being a liberal voice on air america after years of being a conservative voice. $$$
 
Do you think Trump's ever tried to fuck Ivanka.

I'm only 60% kidding.
I think they've definitely fucked at least a dozen times. My guess is it likely started as abuse when she was underage and remains abuse in her adulthood though Ivanka "consents" because she knows where her bread is buttered. I'm not joking.
 

CCS

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I wish more of the traditional serious press would take the Republican party as a whole to task:

Trump cannot make America govern itself again

Let us give Donald Trump a pass. The last time Congress enacted a serious law was more than seven years ago, which was well before he turned up. That was Barack Obama’s healthcare reform, which is turning into Mr Trump’s nightmare. He just cannot get that law off the books.

Congress is a sausage factory that has forgotten how to make sausages. Now Mr Trump wants it to make the largest sausage imaginable: a big tax reform package. But what does Mr Trump know about sausages?

The answer is little. Passing serious bills requires the clarity of Ronald Reagan, the grit of Lyndon Johnson and the patience of Job. Mr Trump lacks all three qualities. In contrast to his attacks on critics, such as what he describes as the Fake News media, Mr Trump’s promotional skills are limited.

It is hard to think of a memorable Trump tweet on tax reform. Mr Trump is better at tearing opponents down than building the case for change. The chances are that he will fail to pass tax reform, just as he has failed to repeal and replace Obamacare.

But the blame for this does not rest solely on the current president’s shoulders. His election followed Capitol Hill’s six most fallow years since the Reconstruction era after the civil war. Though it is America’s first branch of government, Congress has ceased to function in a serious way since 2010. The Republican party, which saw its role as stopping Mr Obama from passing anything, even if he had gone more than halfway to meet them, bears most of the responsibility. Failed initiatives include an immigration overhaul and fiscal reform.

Having acquired a habit of blocking, Republicans have forgotten how to score. But the one thing that unites Republicans of all kinds, Mr Trump included, is the strong desire to cut taxes. It does not matter much how they are cut, or which ones are targeted. The party’s sole ideological glue is a desire to lower them. Other pieties, such as balancing budgets, are easily dispensed with. It ought to be a simple matter, therefore, for Mr Trump to build momentum around a big tax cut and damn the consequences. Yet his chances of success are slim. There are two reasons for this.

The first is that Mr Trump has no appetite for the intricate horse-trading required to win. This is true even at the best of times. But these are the worst. Mr Trump is increasingly distracted by the Russia investigations, which absorb most of his bandwidth. According to aides, Mr Trump spends most of his evenings watching recordings of cable news shows just as obsessed with Russia as he is. He then calls around friends in New York, Florida and elsewhere to comment on how unfairly he is being treated. Mr Trump’s obsession with “Fake News” criticism is his first, second and third priority. Anyone who doubts that should analyse his tweets and the odd hours at which he sends them. Tax reform does not feature.

The second is that Republicans are no longer a governing party. To be fair, this holds only at the federal level. There are plenty of Republican mayors and governors who do a good job of solving practical concerns at the local level. But the national party knows only how to stop things from happening. In the past six years, Republicans voted dozens of times to repeal Obamacare in the safe knowledge Mr Obama would veto their bill. Not once did Republicans sit down and work out a plan of their own. Healthcare is a dull subject to anyone who lacks interest in policy. Republicans have no interest in policy.

Instead of a party of sausage makers, Republicans have become a party of vandals. Words such as “abolish”, “repeal”, “smash” and “erase” trip off the party’s tongue. That is what comes from a habit of shutting down government and taking the US to brink of debt default. Terms such as “build”, “consult”, “trade-off” and “draft” are rare indeed.

Even something as simple-sounding as cutting taxes requires coalition-building. Besides, Republicans have to increase the US debt ceiling before they can turn to tax cuts. Mr Trump, who would have most to lose from a sovereign default, is unclear how to do this. Steven Mnuchin, his Treasury secretary, wants a “clean bill” to increase the ceiling. But Mick Mulvaney, Mr Trump’s budget director, wants to attach spending cuts, which would ensure no Democratic votes. Mr Trump cannot even negotiate with himself.

Students of history could tell Mr Trump that Rome was not built in a day. Yet the vandals were able to demolish Rome pretty quickly. Is Mr Trump a Roman or a vandal? Sadly that question answers itself.
 

Pixieking

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I think they've definitely fucked at least a dozen times. My guess is it likely started as abuse when she was underage and remains abuse in her adulthood though Ivanka "consents" because she knows where her bread is buttered. I'm not joking.

If you asked me last year which was more likely, collusion with Russia or child abuse, I would've said child abuse. He has no idea of even the concepts of consent or sexual maturity and awareness.
 

tuxfool

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LOL Mensch's latest is that Fox News is colluding with Russia. She must cackle to herself every morning thinking how much more outlandish her stories can get before these desperate followers finally start wondering if her "sources" are actually real.
I have to wonder how she makes a living, AFAIK Twitter fanfics don't pay very well.
 

NoName999

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Trump threatened Mueller if he looks into his finances

Trump's criticism of public officials didn't stop there, as he once again targeted former FBI Director James Comey, whom the President abruptly fired in May. In a brand new accusation, Trump said that Comey used a dossier with salacious material against the President as leverage so that Comey could keep his job. And Trump fired a warning at special counsel Robert Mueller, who is currently leading the FBI's Russia probe, saying that an investigation into Trump's family finances would cross a red line, the Times said.

“I think that’s a violation. Look, this is about Russia,” Trump said, though he refused to say if he would do anything about it should Mueller choose to investigate in that direction.

Pay no attention to the pee pee tape behind the curtain

Can't believe he's this dumb. What did he expect would happen? That Mueller actually not look into finances?
 
Bernie was emphatically anti-trump and helped campaign for hillary after the primary was over. To put that in comparison, Stein straight up endorsed Trump.
 

UberTag

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So guys... is Sessions going to retire today after being chewed out in the New York Times by his boss?
Or is his hatred of black people going to deter him from adhering to conventional protocol?
Or will Trump go on record and say Sessions' doesn't need to step down even though he effectively gave him a public vote of non-confidence?
 

Zolo

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So guys... is Sessions going to retire today after being chewed out in the New York Times by his boss?
Or is his hatred of black people going to deter him from adhering to conventional protocol?
Or will Trump go on record and say Sessions' doesn't need to step down even though he effectively gave him a public vote of non-confidence?

Sessions is in this with Trump. You don't get much more loyal than that.
 
This world is so crazy that I'm having mixed feelings about the possibility of Jeff Sessions resigning.

Obviously I would like Jeff Sessions to resign and fall into a sub-terranian vent and die screaming as he burns into mere atoms on his straight trajectory to the Earth's molten core, but I also don't want anything to prevent Mueller from carrying out his investigation, and a new AG might do that.
 
The excerpts of the interview are insane. INSANE

So guys... is Sessions going to retire today after being chewed out in the New York Times by his boss?
Or is his hatred of black people going to deter him from adhering to conventional protocol?
Or will Trump go on record and say Sessions' doesn't need to step down even though he effectively gave him a public vote of non-confidence?

"It's Donald being Donald, move along"
 

sphagnum

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Students of history could tell Mr Trump that Rome was not built in a day. Yet the vandals were able to demolish Rome pretty quickly. Is Mr Trump a Roman or a vandal? Sadly that question answers itself.

The Vandals didn't "demolish" Rome, they sacked it in 455. The western Empire still lasted until 476!
 
So what was the outcome of that Senate dinner? No leaks yet?

Trump sits alone in a room with piles of uneaten pizzas. The soda has all gone flat. The stacks of flat boxes obscure his view of the clock, but he is sure it is very late.

"I'm not hungry anymore," Trump says sadly, pushing away a paper plate with an uneaten slice upon it.

"Eat Donald, you need your strength. Meek kings are layed upon the butcher's block."

"I don't want to be king," he replies, "I want to be Donald."

"Donald is dead, Donald."
 
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Yeah, the POTUS outright lamenting the fact he can't get the AG to do his bidding due to his recusal is some eyebrow furrowing shit. Also: red lines for the special counsel.

Man please make this end soon....
 
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Deleted member 231381

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The Vandals didn't "demolish" Rome, they sacked it in 455. The western Empire still lasted until 476!

Not to mention that Italy was resurgent in the 500s under Theodoric and this actually represented a recovery for Rome rather than a nadir.
 
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