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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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She was just a name and a face that they hated.Now? Maybe.
Until this year? I'll need receipts. Because if the right this whole time has been better clued in to liberal politics than the left itself, then we have bigger problems.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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The Right has been demonizing Pelosi for years, especially on Fox News.
Officerrob
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Why am I supposed to give a fuck that the right hates Pelosi?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Now? Maybe.
Until this year? I'll need receipts. Because if the right this whole time has been better clued in to liberal politics than the left itself, then we have bigger problems.
I've been listening for ten years and it has been happening for most of them. If my experience isn't receipt enough, look at the other posts in here.
neurosisxeno
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edit: Cook has SC-5 as R+9, so marginally more red than GA-06. I imagine Trump did better there tho.
Turmp won it by 18.5 points.
Now? Maybe.
Until this year? I'll need receipts. Because if the right this whole time has been better clued in to liberal politics than the left itself, then we have bigger problems.
What? They nailed Pelosi and House Dems to the stake in 2010 for the ACA. She was legitimately one of the "most hated" politicians in America, and was constantly the target of attack ads for the Tea Party movement to help oust Democrats.
Poodlestrike
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Ah, man, this is gonna be ugly. If we lose this one, that's gonna be the narrative for at least a couple of months. Never mind that it was a long shot to begin with.
Plus, if the totals work out the way it's looking they will, we're looking at a perfect Trumpian hold- same proportion of voters and everything. Means that he gets even more powerful with the GOP and the healthcare bill gets a real shot in the arm.
His numbers get worse every time I look at 538, he's losing pretty conclusively now.
As for Pelosi, she's incredibly effective, but I am beginning to wonder if pure stupidity isn't popular enough that we don't need to ask her to step aside after all. There are some seriously dumb people out there, and a lot of them have decided that she's the worst. You see it a bunch on the left too, like that poll Macho posted. Only reason to think that nothing would change with the Dems in charge is if you're a titanic moron, but we apparently have a lot of those, so we should probably start working around it now.
Plus, if the totals work out the way it's looking they will, we're looking at a perfect Trumpian hold- same proportion of voters and everything. Means that he gets even more powerful with the GOP and the healthcare bill gets a real shot in the arm.
I don't think it'll be that odd. It's a race nobody knew was even going on with no publicity from either party.
It's actually kind of neat to see, since in 2018 the GOP isn't going to have the resources they had to dump into Handel, so seeing these races where Democrats are doing really, really, really well when money doesn't enter the equations is interesting.
His numbers get worse every time I look at 538, he's losing pretty conclusively now.
As for Pelosi, she's incredibly effective, but I am beginning to wonder if pure stupidity isn't popular enough that we don't need to ask her to step aside after all. There are some seriously dumb people out there, and a lot of them have decided that she's the worst. You see it a bunch on the left too, like that poll Macho posted. Only reason to think that nothing would change with the Dems in charge is if you're a titanic moron, but we apparently have a lot of those, so we should probably start working around it now.
balladofwindfishes
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His numbers get worse every time I look at 538, he's losing pretty conclusively now.
He's outperforming Clinton everywhere. This race was never in a million years even supposed to be this close.
But, as a lib, her policies also kinda suck...Why am I supposed to give a fuck that the right hates Pelosi?
I have no idea.Why am I supposed to give a fuck that the right hates Pelosi?
The Right has been demonizing Pelosi for years, especially on Fox News.
But if we give into this.
Then we will NEVER beat this.
At some point we need to stand up and tell the right to shove it up their ass.
Because we cannot throw overboard every credible politician on the left that they choose to target.
We have got to be stronger than this.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Ah, man, this is gonna be ugly. If we lose this one, that's gonna be the narrative for at least a couple of months. Never mind that it was a long shot to begin with.
Plus, if the totals work out the way it's looking they will, we're looking at a perfect Trumpian hold- same proportion of voters and everything. Means that he gets even more powerful with the GOP and the healthcare bill gets a real shot in the arm.
His numbers get worse every time I look at 538, he's losing pretty conclusively now.
As for Pelosi, she's incredibly effective, but I am beginning to wonder if pure stupidity isn't popular enough that we don't need to ask her to step aside after all. There are some seriously dumb people out there, and a lot of them have decided that she's the worst. You see it a bunch on the left too, like that poll Macho posted. Only reason to think that nothing would change with the Dems in charge is if you're a titanic moron, but we apparently have a lot of those, so we should probably start working around it now.
Dems need fresh faces all around. I love Biden and would vote for him for president, but even I am now thinking it is time for new leadership across the board.
Bonen no Max'd
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was our last candidate there a phantom too?Looks like we just need to run Goldman Sachs executives
edit: Cook has SC-5 as R+9, so marginally more red than GA-06. I imagine Trump did better there tho.
Kid Kamikaze10
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I think disarming the democrats because of right wing built stigma is pathetic. Republicans would never do the same.
Why am I supposed to give a fuck that the right hates Pelosi?
No idea, really.
Everyone has been talking about voter distribution for months, but unless there's a plan to physical relocate Dem voters, then there's not really an actionable strategy there.YES. I have been raising concerns about vote distribution for months. I think our country is polarized in both politics and living space. There may just be too many democrats condensed in specific spots.
I'm an internal hecantkeepgettingawaywithit.gif at this point. Ossoff losing, healthcare bill going through, GOP gloating while being slimey as usual. Ugh.This thread got fun.
Not to defend Clinton's issues w/ campaign strategy, but the idea that Clinton herself had any control over trends in ideological polarization is fucking stupid.
Dems did not draw these battle lines, but we have to fight on them.
Now? Maybe.
Until this year? I'll need receipts. Because if the right this whole time has been better clued in to liberal politics than the left itself, then we have bigger problems.
Yeah pretty much. The Pelosi hate machine is second only to the Obama and H. Clinton hate machines.
balladofwindfishes
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But, as a lib, her policies also kinda suck...
Do you not like a public option for healthcare?
TestOfTide
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Now? Maybe.
Until this year? I'll need receipts. Because if the right this whole time has been better clued in to liberal politics than the left itself, then we have bigger problems.
You want proof that the right has been demonizing Pelosi long before this year?
THIS IS FROM 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIlkaFhjxRk
But if we give into this.
Then we will NEVER beat this.
At some point we need to stand up and tell the right to shove it up their ass.
Because we cannot throw overboard every credible politician on the left that they choose to target.
We have got to be stronger than this.
Again, it's not about giving in to republicans. It's about not allowing them to have time to create a boogeyman.
FYI Obama won in 2008, partly because the GOP didn't have enough time to paint him into a boogeyman with more than just hardcore republicans before the 2008 election......because they were too busy attacking Hillary Clinton during those primaries.
(Pelosi is personally for Single Payer!)Do you not like a public option for healthcare?
Carpe Libertatem
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was our last candidate there a phantom too?
No, looks like a real person named Fran Person.
Trump did win the district 57-39 and actually outperformed Romney though. A close loss there would actually be huge.
edit: lmao his website is literally "personforcongress.com"
neurosisxeno
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Yeah pretty much. The Pelosi hate machine is second only to the Obama and H. Clinton hate machines.
She was hated far more than Obama, but she's damn good at her job. She got a version of the PPACA through the House with the Public Option in it.
I think the Congressional Baseball Shooting likely mattered more than Pelosi no matter what
That reminds me, the shooting feels like it didn't get as much attention as it should have warranted. It just kind of died in the media after a few days.
Poodlestrike
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He's outperforming Clinton everywhere. This race was never in a million years even supposed to be this close.
Which is cool and all but I do sort of agree that with the eyes of the world on GA-6, we needed a win tonight to push off a bunch of really bad stuff. And it's looking like that won't go the way we wanted, so...
But, as a lib, her policies also kinda suck...
But, no they don't, you definitely don't know what you're talking about.
If we do move to replace Pelosi it'll be because of Optics(tm), not actual results. I don't think you get to tell yourself that it's the right thing to do from a policy perspective because it's definitely not.
neurosisxeno
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Nate Bronze said:In the 2014 midterms, there were about 210,000 votes cast in Georgias 6th District. And in 2016, 310,000 were. By comparison, turnout for this election is expected to be in the range of 250,000 to 275,000. So were somewhere in between a midterm-type turnout and a presidential-year turnout.
Decent turnout.
You're right. I'm wrong, just took a look at her voting record.Do you not like a public option for healthcare?
This thread got fun.
Bunch of white dudes on the internet saying the problem with progressivism is a woman, not really news
balladofwindfishes
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Which is cool and all but I do sort of agree that with the eyes of the world on GA-6, we needed a win tonight to push off a bunch of really bad stuff. And it's looking like that won't go the way we wanted, so...
The GOP would be idiots to ignore a 10+ swing in some random district nobody cares about
whyamihere
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Looks like Hande might have cannibalizes her EDay vote.
@rarhola
Fulton election day vote seems a bit better for Ossoff than elsewhere. Handel's projected ED lead now in the 9-point range. Overall a tie
Poodlestrike
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Dems need fresh faces all around. I love Biden and would vote for him for president, but even I am now thinking it is time for new leadership across the board.
Might just be, sadly.
I think disarming the democrats because of right wing built stigma is pathetic. Republicans would never do the same.
Republicans are a lot better at demonization than we are. Not least because their base believes in actual literal demons and actual literal hell and that if they vote for Democrats they'll go there.
Ossoff winning or losing means absolutely nothing to AHCA or the rest of the GOP's legislative agenda. If Murkowski and Capito and Portman vote no, it's because of their Medicaid constituents, not GA-6.Which is cool and all but I do sort of agree that with the eyes of the world on GA-6, we needed a win tonight to push off a bunch of really bad stuff. And it's looking like that won't go the way we wanted, so...
I think people are just tired of losing and feel the DNC / Dems aren't doing enough.Why is arguing about the definition of socialism the high point of this thread now
Poodlestrike
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Ossoff winning or losing means absolutely nothing to AHCA or the rest of the GOP's legislative agenda. If Murkowski and Capito and Portman vote no, it's because of their Medicaid constituents, not GA-6.
With the AHCA apparently on the margins of victory vs. success (I don't believe the 7 down crap we got that with the House vote and the moderates flipped as soon as they got a fig leaf and media attention died down a little), I'm not prepared to discount anything at this point.
The GOP would be idiots to ignore a 10+ swing in some random district nobody cares about
A 10 point swing that they still won. Scary, but they can tell themselves that it's because of low turnout and lack of funds and bury it.
I think people are just tired of losing and feel the DNC / Dems aren't doing enough.
I think the DNC is doing all that can be expected of them, it's the voters I'm disappointed in.
I think people are just tired of losing and feel the DNC / Dems aren't doing enough.
How much money did you donate to Ossoff
Carpe Libertatem
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It is clear now that the DNC should have supported that Goldman Sachs executive running in SC-05
balladofwindfishes
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I think people are just tired of losing and feel the DNC / Dems aren't doing enough.
The #1 donator to Ossoff was the DCCC
0. But I donate to the DNC and I helped make calls for him.How much money did you donate to Ossoff
Aaanyways this thread isn't about me. Pissy bc I see this L coming.
FYI Obama won in 2008, partly because the GOP didn't have enough time to paint him into a boogeyman with more than just hardcore republicans before the 2008 election......because they were too busy attacking Hillary Clinton during those primaries.
And partly because the Republican president before him got us into a pointless war and crashed the economy.
We cannot keep looking to repeat 2008.
VendettaRed07
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edit: can't readIt's going to be hard for the republicans to justify winning SC-5 by well under 10 points at this point.
TestOfTide
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Bunch of white dudes on the internet saying the problem with progressivism is a woman, not really news
To be fair. I'm not going that route. I don't blame Pelosi at all. But the fact is that the right has turned her into their next pseudo-Hillary for now and if 2008 has taught us anything, it's that our best way to counter that is to just replace her with a charismatic new-blood leader early next year.
And partly because the Republican president before him got us into a pointless war and crashed the economy.
We cannot keep looking to repeat 2008.
I mean yes Bush played a part in Obama doing as well as he did, but my point is that you have a better chance of beating your opponent if you are taking them by surprise.
0. But I donate to the DNC and I helped make calls for him.
Okay, fair enough.
Blaming this on Pelosi is still incredibly dumb. Pelosi has no characteristics other than being the Minority Leader. Somebody is going to be the Minority Leader.
This isn't even, like, hypothetical. Harry Reid left being the Senate Majority Leader last year and was replaced by Chuck Schumer. Conservatives hated Harry Reid. Do they like Chuck Schumer?
Bonen no Max'd
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clearly this is a sign that the Democratic party is wasting time in resources in places like Georgia when they could be using them in the real new swing state
I'm talking about blue Kansas everybody
Not really
"Democrats spent twenty million on a random house race and still lost"
There is your spin
Yeah. The spin is to always make sure to either manipulate or not mention details.
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