The Holocaust is a HOAX because the Dems lost the election in Germany!
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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The Holocaust is a HOAX because the Dems lost the election in Germany!
Macho Madness
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After reading more into it, I think Pelosi should stay.
TumblingHippo
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"Democrats should stop fighting for the things people like Democrats to fight for" is still the worst takeaway people are having after yesterday.
Republicans have a hate-on for her because she actually gets shit done. If she were ineffectual, they wouldn't care nearly as much.
FloydtheFathead
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Macho Madness
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https://twitter.com/ap/status/877908240159326208
BREAKING: Trump expresses hope Senate will pass health care plan `with heart,' says he'd welcome Democratic support.
He's sabotaging the bill.
BREAKING: Trump expresses hope Senate will pass health care plan `with heart,' says he'd welcome Democratic support.
He's sabotaging the bill.
balladofwindfishes
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Someone in the senate really, really hates Medicaid.
I don't really know how this isn't just an outright repeal of Medicaid. There's no way it even survives a decade with these cuts.
I don't really know how this isn't just an outright repeal of Medicaid. There's no way it even survives a decade with these cuts.
Macho Madness
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52 people to be exact.
Does this guy even know his own own religion? Granted, I was bad at church as a kid, but I don't remember a single thing about Abraham taking us all to a new world after we die. Like, what?!
hehe
balladofwindfishes
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Abortion cuts and Planned Parenthood cuts are only for one year?
What? That doesn't even make any sense.
Is this how they got around reconciliation? So what's their plan for next year?
What? That doesn't even make any sense.
Is this how they got around reconciliation? So what's their plan for next year?
Make it up as they go along.
BobTheFork
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There is no plan. Their only concern is passing this like they said they would.
Literally does not matter to them what they pass.
ShadowSwordmaster
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Holy shit.
Trying to fulfill their fantasies of destroying Medicaid.
KirbYuuYuu
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Gearing up for when mobs of people will attempt to kill him because of his shitty healthcare .
Futurevoid
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It begins...
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Good. Hopefully that stays a No.
DontBeThatGuy
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Killing the poor. A Republican past-time.
They'll work something out.
Black Republican
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Murkowski, Collins and?
balladofwindfishes
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Maybe banking on a D wave in 2020 that gives Democrats the House and Presidency, but not the Senate?
So they can block any attempts by Democrats to fix it before it explodes, but also place the blame on the Dem president right before the 2022 midterms?
This is a weird bill. McConnell might have made an error here.
Roland_Gunner
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That'd be soooooo good but its still quite possible this is the same kind of head fake we saw in the house. Then McConnell grants some fake concessions and one or two come back on board.
benicillin
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I feel like this is about to get really crazy and we're underestimating how big this whole thing is going to get.
Rand Paul hated the whole concept, but from a libertarian perspective. I recall Utah's Mike Lee and Wisconsin senator Johnson also expressing frustration with either the bill or the process.
balladofwindfishes
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The WV senator I'm betting. Or one of Paul and Lee. Heller potentially.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Sadly they will.
Macho Madness
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Don't assume it's dead. It's very likely a head-fake.
Amendment to give Medicaid $50 in extra funding, bill saved.
Box of Kittens
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My hope is this means the bill actually is going down.
My fear is that it's all theater and a few meaningless "concessions" will allow Senators to say "look how much we improved the bill by being such principled moderates."
cartoon_soldier
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The bill will pass, this same drama played out in the House.
Roland_Gunner
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I've always thought Paul was trying to sabotage the AHCA or whatever you call it. He's smart enough to realize that this is going to devastate Kentucky and got ahead of the curve by attacking it from the right.
Three most likely nos when it actually comes to a vote: Collins, Paul, Murkowski
balladofwindfishes
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The thing with the house was that last minute additions were fine. There was no strict time line. There was no requirement for a re-score with the CBO. None of that. They could literally add stuff the morning of, and vote hours later.
The senate doesn't move that quickly, and they have more riding on actually getting it done next week.
Late amendments in the final hour would be a lot more difficult for the Senate. If this gets to next Thursday and there are still No holdouts, the bill will be in trouble.
The senate doesn't move that quickly, and they have more riding on actually getting it done next week.
Late amendments in the final hour would be a lot more difficult for the Senate. If this gets to next Thursday and there are still No holdouts, the bill will be in trouble.
Macho Madness
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Murphy is correct:
Chris Murphy
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Doesn't mean McConnell has the votes, but many "no" votes today are just callously propositioning to get to "yes" after meaningless changes.
https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/877917057689542656
Chris Murphy
@ChrisMurphyCT
Doesn't mean McConnell has the votes, but many "no" votes today are just callously propositioning to get to "yes" after meaningless changes.
https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/877917057689542656
I really don't think anyone in the GOP is looking any further down the road than next year.
Yep. Just setting the stage for a narrative where "concessions" will be made to "moderate" the bill even more. We've seen this movie already.
Of course this is the case. A bill is going to pass. We need to be concerned with what it is...and how easy it would be to improve under a Democratic administration.
But it also shouldn't be hard to recruit because you can't throw a football here without hitting a veteran or someone who's former DoJ/DoD.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Amazing how it is 3. Almost as if it is set up perfectly for a couple to stay as "nos" for their district.
Emerson
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They have so little time before the recess that I'm not entirely sure I buy this as political theater. Adding new concessions at this point is adding time they don't have.
I'm beyond making specific predictions on this, but it's almost as if everyone has forgotten what happened the time before last, when they failed to get the votes.
I'm beyond making specific predictions on this, but it's almost as if everyone has forgotten what happened the time before last, when they failed to get the votes.
Macho Madness
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Mark Murray
@mmurraypolitics
New NBC/WSJ poll on House GOP health-care bill:
Good idea: 16%
Bad idea: 48%
Strongly good idea: 10%
Strongly bad idea: 41%
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/877919115360354304
@mmurraypolitics
New NBC/WSJ poll on House GOP health-care bill:
Good idea: 16%
Bad idea: 48%
Strongly good idea: 10%
Strongly bad idea: 41%
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/877919115360354304
JetBlackPanda
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THIS!
its clear as day if the you read the bill. its all setup so that the news can say.
1. NO MORE MANDATE
2. NO MORE PLANNED PARENTHOOD
blah blah blah.
if you have half a brain and read it though its a fucking disaster of a bill. HOLY SHIT.
Honestly the nickname makes me furious. This orange-skinned homunculus making fun of a person expressing real, human emotions.
Trump needs to go down hard in 2020 and then go to jail for the rest of his miserable life. Anything less and i'll lose all faith in the universe.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm 99% certain it's theater and this passes.
If democrats don't run on health care as their number one issue in 2018, they're led by morons.
balladofwindfishes
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That's what I was thinking as well. There just isn't time for late game tweaks at this point. Not the requirement of an updated CBO estimate before they can even take a vote.
There is no reason that they couldn't have pre-factored the concessions into it. This entire bill has been written in the dark, with next to no oversight, who knows what is in there.
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