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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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shinra-bansho
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I mean it is her job to win seats insomuch as that she does raise the funds that are needed for congressional races and does so very well.
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not sure if this is what mets meant but a presidential candidate is obviously going to have more effect during the presidential election than House leadership
Pelosi is currently one for three on elections where a president is not on the ballot
Of course, presidents are still around in midterms so idk
I'm on Team "Pelosi can probably stick around a bit longer but we should really have someone not 100 years old ready to take her place"
Box of Kittens
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The only evidence we have of how voters respond to the current GOP rule is a few special elections in red districts. Not saying we just sit around and say "hey, we're not Trump" and expect to win in 2018, but all this "America is going to be just like Kansas, voters will never punish the GOP for anything" talk that's been so prevalent lately is based on practically no evidence for America (and even then Democrats are consistently overperforming their districts) and misreading the evidence in Kansas.
shinra-bansho
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Liberal Bloke-on Tim Ryan will clearly replace her with his super liberal views and everyone will be happy.
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MSNBC's new Moderate Darling Hugh Hewitt will likely give us all the answers we need. Maybe he can have a Moderate Darling round table with Sue Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Greta Van Susteren, and George Will where they all agree that
(1) the poor deserve to die but with dignity
(2) teachers don't need guns, only school security guards need guns
(3) factories should be prohibited from emitting methane but CO2 is okay because it's a weaker greenhouse gas
(4) Hillary's emails warrant a life sentence, not the death penalty
and everyone will praise them for being so moderate and bipartisan and reasonable, not like those extremists on #bothsides.
(1) the poor deserve to die but with dignity
(2) teachers don't need guns, only school security guards need guns
(3) factories should be prohibited from emitting methane but CO2 is okay because it's a weaker greenhouse gas
(4) Hillary's emails warrant a life sentence, not the death penalty
and everyone will praise them for being so moderate and bipartisan and reasonable, not like those extremists on #bothsides.
excelsiorlef
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shinra-bansho
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Okay, So You Kick Nancy Pelosi Out. Then What?
Before you start calling for her exit, name some logical replacements.
Before you start calling for her exit, name some logical replacements.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a55791/nancy-pelosi-replacement/
Comey trying to blend in again
Also, Trump says in a new Fox interview Mueller is good friends with Comey which is "very bothersome" and the people he's hired are "all Hillary Clinton supporters": https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/878077491922870273
Also, Trump says in a new Fox interview Mueller is good friends with Comey which is "very bothersome" and the people he's hired are "all Hillary Clinton supporters": https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/878077491922870273
excelsiorlef
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It's 100% oh fuck this guy is a conspiracy nut, time to ghost him lol.
he must have Hillary on his mind 24/7. He can never let her go. Neither can OT either for that matter.
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Did he become an RA in a college dorm or something?
That pic is creepy AF
excelsiorlef
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Tim Ryan is. You know the only other person I've heard say they want her job.
A Bernie guy wants to primary her
Charlie Pierce is the kind of tone i want to see from Dem politicians. We need congressmen referring to Paul Ryan as "zombie-eyed granny-starver" on the floor of the House, damn any censure they might get.
Pretty much. Bernie should have never threw any support at dude. Don't care how big of a hate boner he's got for DWS. Hard to really walk it back. And if you going to walk it back don't claim you don't know dude. He comes off terrible in this exchange.
The real reason is annoyingly awesome. He and his wife have been foster parents and they attended a CASA event today: https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/878080129578217472
Really trying to hammer home the good guy image there.
I wonder if Bernie has someone advising him on which loonies to disavow now.
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nintendoman58
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Saw a post saying that the wall is next.
People on OT Political Thread GAF really are going insane now.
People on OT Political Thread GAF really are going insane now.
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Young people who hate Trump yet who are not really interested in or knowledgeable about politics (or at least weren't until last year), accustomed to sane Democratic leadership, get scared when they have to contend with batshit Republicans for really the first time. I wish they'd get some perspective, but I can see why they'd feel despondent.
GoldenEye 007
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If this bill passes, it does become a lot more realistic. Trump's wishlist depends on this bill.
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This health care nonsense would be happening under any Republican president, as would the tax cuts. The wall will continue to be a nonstarter, the policy wish of a raving madman.
excelsiorlef
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I just can only hope that such an awesome progressive will also help lift Progressive Icon Tulsi Gabbard up into the limelight too.
They should form a tag team.
More or less. The wall is a spending boondoggle and the congressional GOP doesn't really care about immigration, only as far as caring about it doesn't get them primaried like Cantor.
excelsiorlef
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It was pretty pathetic.
It was just another example for why I don't like Sanders despite liking a majority of his ideas.
Abinash117
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How are Democrats responding to the Medicaid cuts? I would imagine that they are making appearances in news outlets to oppose it.
PantherLotus
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this is a quietly perfect post.
Abinash117
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I guess not.
ShironRedshift
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Agreed. Though I kinda wish the field was cleared for Sanders instead. At least that way we'd have this "there are secretly millions of people that want single payer healthcare specifically and for the United States to become a socialist country" stuff cleared up, one way or the other. Having a true gauge on how popular single payer in particular really is on a national level would be nice so we can know if going with that or a public option is the better choice to get people on board, but alas...
The idea that Paul, Lee, and Johnson may be the ones to kill the bill, while Collins and Murkowski are seemingly just fine with the PP defunding provision and Portman and Capito have no reservations about their thousands of constituents who will lose Medicaid, is just... fucking insane.
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Moderate Darlings react very slowly; thoughtful and bipartisan, they take their time to consider a bill. If their evaluation matches the rest of the party's 99% of time time, well... haven't you heard of coincidences?
This whole process moved so quickly and just confused the poor dears.
I could only catch Hardball and Rachel Maddow tonight but there were elected Democrats on both calling out the AHCA and saying how shitty it is. So I have no idea what the point of this post was? Even if they weren't on whatever shows you saw tonight (if you saw any) that doesn't mean they weren't on any.
Are there a handful Democrats in the media right now calling out AHCA and Republicans? Of course. There always is.
Is there a loud, consistent, balls-to-the-wall, unified force of Democrats sounding the alarm on AHCA? A response the level of which the GOP seems to be capable of at the drop of a dime? The kind that you would expect to see to oppose legislation that is about to rob tens of millions of people of their health coverage?
lol
Literally all of them, (not literally) all the time.
VendettaRed07
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Comey looking like Happy Mask Salesman in this picture
Receipts? Because I haven't seen it.
I'm not compiling links to every AHCA-related media appearance, floor appearance, interview, tweetstorm, stream, podcast, etc. of 40+ Senate Dems attacking this bill and the process around it over the past week.
In fact, I think I'll go to bed.
Again, I'm a messaging dude. And for me there's a huge difference between "speaking out against" and "opposing" as silly as that sounds.
Yes, every Democrat who cares about their seat is speaking out against AHCA. But there's no unified language here. Democrats as a party still haven't figured out the tone and language of their opposition strategy. We still don't know how, as a party, to attack Trump and Republicans. Hell, just a few days ago Senate Dems were openly weighing whether or not to obstruct on the floor. Do you think that would ever be a question for Republicans if the shoe were on the other foot in this situation? No, Republicans would be out in full force using language so similar you'd wonder when they had time to pass out the memos.
As an opposition party, Democrats are still pretty weak.
Futurevoid
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https://www.c-span.org/video/?430129-6/senators-cantwell-kaine-others-health-care
3 hours of Democrats controlling the Senate floor to shit on the AHCA and the process by which the Senate bill was being written a few days ago. Every single Democratic Senator in fact.
On that, I don't disagree and made the point a few pages back that the party needs to put together an ACA repair and expand with a public option outline/bill and unify behind it as a messaging strategy. Something to contrast the dumpster fire the Republicans are passing. Just shitting on it isn't enough.
Republicans had a two page talking points sheet for the Senate bill within the hour of its release. Their surrogates are parroting those points endlessly. Democrats are arguing over Pelosi and getting recommended #standwithnancy talking points...
It's pretty clear they don't have a Frank Luntz type to give out marching orders on language, but it's also a by-product of having a big tent.
I'm aware of this. Doesn't really change the point I made at all.
AntraxSuicide
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This is really silly. Like, I kinda get it when cartoon soldier and PBY do their thing even if I think they're wrong, but I really don't know how else to describe this post.
The wall quite literally will never happen. The GOP might pass a bill, don't get me wrong, but it will never get built (or likely even fully funded). They might get funding for one round of chain link, which will get snipped to pieces by protestors with wire cutters within the month. This is assuming they can put one up at all given the likelihood of constant lawsuits from blue states and border counties, stalling it out further.
Futurevoid
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See my edit.
...though your initial point was asking for receipts for a balls to wall concerted effort of Democrats sounding the alarm bell because you "hadn't seen it". Apparently you had, so why ask for receipts? Democrats are actively opposing this bill on a consistent basis. I just want their alternative to be front and center alongside the rightful coemnation of the Senate bill.
Though maybe some other democrats shouldn't be internalizing right wing talking points regarding her at such a crucial time?
As the minority leader, she would be in a better position to rally people on a message without people calling on her to step down.
We're on the same page on this. I was arguing in a thread in OT that I think it's a wasted opportunity that Democrats don't seem to have an ACA 2.0 drafted as a rallying point. AHCA isn't about healthcare (it's about tax cuts) and we all know it. But Democrats leave open a pretty large window by not emphasizing the contrast between D and R at every opportunity.
In my fanfiction, Harry Reid would step into this role. ;__;
I mean, feel free to disagree. But there is a pretty tangible effect on the ground when Democrats aren't unified nationally.
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Democrats should storm CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, AAA, AARP, BET, NBC, CBS, ABC, HBO, STARZ, and even the History Channel on the off chance that audience wants a break from Hitler documentaries. Because the general public really cares about politics, as evidenced by our astounding turnout, and would really tune in to this concerted assault on the airwaves. Maybe the puzzle on grandma's Wheel of Fortune can be "Medicare for All."
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"Get rid of Pelosi! She's so old, we need young progressives with new ideas!"
Says Bernie supporters.
Says Bernie supporters.
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