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[Djin1980]

Actually motorfest is better. I have played both games over 500hours.. Nothing beats the grand race experience in motorfest.

I had more fun with Motorfest than with FH5. After all, the devs at Ivory Tower made Test Drive Unlimited, the game that inspired Forza Horizon series not the other way around.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

SoT needed 4 months to get 4M sales. That's poor reception, imo.

Doom also will likely sell 1-2M copies on PS5. It's more like an AA game.
Most of Xbox' games won't have much pull.

Normally agree with you, but not sure I agree here.

I think Doom will easily clear 2 million on PS5 and a lot of Xbox games are going to have success there.

That being said, it's a packed year even without GTA6 and already coming off from Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and Monster Hunter Wilds and I think it would be silly to assume that every game coming out this year has already been announced. Wouldn't be surprised if we got a shadow drop of God of War Greek Saga remastered in March or a release shortly thereafter. Obviously, anything from October on is the danger zone for publishers.

TBD
Death Stranding 2
Ghost of Yotei
Age of Empire 2


March
MLB The Show 25
WWE 2K25
The First Berserker
Assassin's Creed Shadows

April
Expedition 33
Days Gone Remastered
Forza Horizon 5
Age of Mythology

May
Capcom Fighting Collection 2
Doom Dark Ages
Elden Ring Nightreign
Lost Soul Aside
Onimusha 2 Remaster

August
Metal Gear Solid Delta
Shinobi

September
Hell is Us

Personally throw in Lunar and Suikoden and this year is kind of nuts. So yeah, there's a lot of competition among all publishers.

 

[MMaRsu]

they completely overhauled the engine from crew 2. Everything is in line with modern racing games.

I'll try it but Ive never ever played a Ubisoft game where the driving physics felt normal

 

[PixelatedBeast]

They're finally getting a good horizon game.

The first 2 Horizon games from Sony has probably already outsold the whole Horizon franchise from Microsoft by now.

 

[SweetTooth]

Sheathe thy sword, warrior. He’s making a reference to Evolution Studios and DriveClub

And Im making the reference to Nintendo! Why its always Sony that has to make all types of games and cover all genres while Nintendo keeps making low budget kiddy games and no one bats an eye?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

But, but,but MS don't do compelling games, how is this possible?

It is one of the very few Microsoft 90+ Metacritic games from the last two generations.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

And Im making the reference to Nintendo! Why its always Sony that has to make all types of games and cover all genres while Nintendo keeps making low budget kiddy games and no one bats an eye?

Because most of them are high quality and Nintendo are making mint from them.

Since having a daughter I’ve gained a new appreciation for Nintendo games.

We’ve not had a new big franchise since Splatoon so I’d like to see something new. But other than that, crack on Nintendo.

 

[lh032]

the only xbox game i bought is grounded.

But im interested in pentinent as well.

 

[mitch1971]

*psst* You aren't Sony

Are you assuming my employment credentials?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Normally agree with you, but not sure I agree here.

I think Doom will easily clear 2 million on PS5 and a lot of Xbox games are going to have success there.

That being said, it's a packed year even without GTA6 and already coming off from Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and Monster Hunter Wilds and I think it would be silly to assume that every game coming out this year has already been announced. Wouldn't be surprised if we got a shadow drop of God of War Greek Saga remastered in March or a release shortly thereafter. Obviously, anything from October on is the danger zone for publishers.

TBD
Death Stranding 2
Ghost of Yotei
Age of Empire 2


March
MLB The Show 25
WWE 2K25
The First Berserker
Assassin's Creed Shadows

April
Expedition 33
Days Gone Remastered
Forza Horizon 5
Age of Mythology

May
Capcom Fighting Collection 2
Doom Dark Ages
Elden Ring Nightreign
Lost Soul Aside
Onimusha 2 Remaster

August
Metal Gear Solid Delta
Shinobi

September
Hell is Us

Personally throw in Lunar and Suikoden and this year is kind of nuts. So yeah, there's a lot of competition among all publishers.

You could be right about 2M sales, but that's why I said 1-2M.

With a quick google search, Doom Eternal had sold an estimated 7.5M copies over it's first 9 months, spread across XBO, PC, PS4 and Stadia. (Though this estimate was based on $450M revenue).

DOOM Eternal has made over $450 million in revenue - KitGuru

The DOOM franchise is one of the video game industry’s most iconic. First released in 1993, the seri

www.kitguru.net

 

[Cakeboxer]

The first 2 Horizon games from Sony has probably already outsold the whole Horizon franchise from Microsoft by now.

Sales don't say much about quality, that's why marketing exists.

 

[EN250]

PS players do love racing games of course, game's gonna sell a ton

People keep underestimating Days Gone as a "lesser TLoU clone" but look it's there in the top ten preorder list, it absolutely deserves the sales and more

 

[Fake]

There is no game like this on Switch tnx to Nintendo.

They don't need. And to the context of the thread if you don't get.

 

[jroc74]

PS players do love racing games of course, game's gonna sell a ton

People keep underestimating Days Gone as a "lesser TLoU clone" but look it's there in the top ten preorder list, absolutely deserves more sales

Forget FH5 on PS5...one of the most overlooked or dismissed things is how well the Days Gone Remaster pre order is doing.

 

[EN250]

I mean, it's the only Xbox IP in their catalogue that can get people excited (outside COD/TES).

MCC and GeOW Collection will absolutely sell gangbusters on PS4+PS5

 

[Wolfpact1983]

Who preorders a digital game?

 

[DenchDeckard]

And Im making the reference to Nintendo! Why its always Sony that has to make all types of games and cover all genres while Nintendo keeps making low budget kiddy games and no one bats an eye?

Because nintendos whole MO from the start of time was about kiddy games. It's their thing.

Sony came out targeting late teens to 35 year olds with the adult console. Of course it's expected that they make more adult orientated games while nintendo continue their legacy of accessible games for all ages.

 

[SatansReverence]

The first 2 Horizon games from Sony has probably already outsold the whole Horizon franchise from Microsoft by now.

Horizon 5 alone has reached 40 million players, try again.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Who preorders a digital game?

I often do if it includes bonuses like access to betas and such

 

[Killjoy-NL]

MCC and GeOW Collection will absolutely sell gangbusters on PS4+PS5

Sure, I expect Halo, Gears and Forza to sell decently on PS, if only for former Xbox fans who jumped over and are double-dipping.
Never said otherwise either.

But I'm saying people are overselling the Xbox catalogue

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Who preorders a digital game?

For me it's simple allocation of funds in advance. Otherwise I will spend them on something else. Parents with 5yo kids will understand, I guess.

 

[Horseganador]

Well, that's normal, tons of games are sold on PS5 every month, 96 million last quarter, for MS-XBOX soon PS5 and NS2 will be their reference platform above their own console because that's where they will get most of their sales.

 

[LordOcidax]

Tempted to buy it for my PS5, but i have the Gamepass ultimate on my series X, that’s 7 months of subscription.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Playstation has always thrived through putting third parties first and providing them with a strong platform for sales, so not surprising whatsoever.

Tell that to Factor 5

Plenty of 3rd party publishers tops Sony charts.

This year for sure given SONY's lack of In-House titles for 2025

 

[Certinty]

If only it was an upgraded version of Forza Horizon 3 instead.

Arguably the greatest arcade racing game of all time.

 

[thismeinteil]

But it's free money for MS too?

If sales makes 50 million dollars

MS get 35 mil
Sony 15 mil

Unless my maths sucks that's more a win for Xbox.

They could lower prices if they wished to gain market share (they won't as it's all about shorter term revenue for them)

Got to save face somehow, I guess. This isn't some grand win for MS. It's them basically admitting defeat. They lost. Game over. They're the new Sega. That's not something to be proud of.

And no, it's not free money for MS. They have to recoup the costs of developing the game, the cost of keeping the multiplayer going, any losses they are still taking on their own HW, and the cost of PS5 dev kits. It is free money for Sony. And they get the satisfaction of knowing they won.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Microsoft bigger win will come if they release a new Xbox that's sold for profit while selling games on PlayStation & Switch to fund the development for the games that also play on this high-end console.

A high end console that they make profit on for a diminishing base? I'm having a hard time seeing how MS can pull that off. But hey I'd love to be surprised with what they have in store.

 

[onQ123]

A high end console that they make profit on for a diminishing base? I'm having a hard time seeing how MS can pull that off. But hey I'd love to be surprised with what they have in store.

Selling their games on other devices is the key, which means the pressure of building a large user-base is no longer on them .

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Means FH6 will likely come day-and-date.

And man, there are some bitter folks in here! Not surprised since their favorite platform has to ultimately admit MASSIVE defeat with moves like this, but still...

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Kudos for trying so hard to spin a positive into a negative.

That's all he's good at, especially if it has anything to do with PlayStation. Pay it no mind!

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

It’s incredible how laughably garbage the takes get just to downplay Xbox games, even when they’re coming to PS5. I guess for the super emotionally invested warriors, this is the new phase of the war. Now you have to diarrhea all over games on your own platform, because they’re from Xbox studios.

Doom is “basically AA”

 

[Fake]

Sheathe thy sword, warrior. He’s making a reference to Evolution Studios and DriveClub

Yeap. Imagine a Driveclub open world arcade just like Forza Horizon 5. Would me fucking amazing.

Just a shame fanboys like him will never understand.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Yeap. Imagine a Driveclub open world arcade just like Forza Horizon 5. Would me fucking amazing.

You took a swipe where none was needed because news like this infuriates you, yet someone else is the fanboy? YOU? Of all people.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Selling their games on other devices is the key, which means the pressure of building a large user-base is no longer on them .

Oh yeah, very much so which leads me to think they'll just try to offramp those core users onto PC so they can just exit the hardware business in general. My guess is their next system is somewhere in the middle being a PC/console hybrid to make the transition easier.

 

[Insane Metal]

The game is amazing so this warms my heart.

A proper racing game. It's better than GT7.

*runs away*

Totally different gameplay style. Both are great. I've never been a fan of GT (always thought FM was the king) until GT7, I loved it.

 

[Sooner]

Selling their games on other devices is the key, which means the pressure of building a large user-base is no longer on them .

The ol' "they'll make PlayStation players pay" so they continue throwing away money for Xbox players.

It used to be, "Microsoft makes enough money, so they don't mind that Xbox bleeds money".

 

[Danknugz]

it's not that great but it's a decent entry in the series. hoping FH6 is more of an evolution of the series instead of just another icon fest in a different area.

 

[Sooner]

Doom is “basically AA”

Does anyone really consider Doom an Xbox game? It's always been third-party. Microsoft owns publishing rights, but there is nothing new. Doom has and will never be Xbox exclusive. Same with Call of Duty or Minecraft.

Who cares who is publishing the games. They've always been PlayStation games and always will be. And the majority of those games' playberbase is PlayStation.

It's nothing like actual Xbox studio games like Halo, Forza and Gears.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Does anyone really consider Doom an Xbox game?

Yes, the person being responded to. Context helps.

 

[NonPhixion]

What kind of things do you think PlayStation will do to reduce Xbox’s survival on the market, once they capture that 30% revenue?

 

[onQ123]

Oh yeah, very much so which leads me to think they'll just try to offramp those core users onto PC so they can just exit the hardware business in general. My guess is their next system is somewhere in the middle being a PC/console hybrid to make the transition easier.

Then they go to Steam so my guess is a console from Microsoft + other devices made by other manufacturers that will have a Xbox mode like the PCs with S Mode that you will have to take out of Xbox mode to do unofficial stuff like use Steam.

 

[skit_data]

I'll preorder/buy it whenever reviews are out. Playground seem reliable from a polish/technical perspective but most of the porting work is presumably done by Panic Button. Then again, they've done way crazier porting jobs and seem very competent as well.

 

[Loboxxx]

It's a good AAA car game and it's still technically cutting edge, it's normal that it gets very good sales. What else could be expected?

 

[onQ123]

The ol' "they'll make PlayStation players pay" so they continue throwing away money for Xbox players.

It used to be, "Microsoft makes enough money, so they don't mind that Xbox bleeds money".

You're reading it through a console warriors eyes .

Devs need to see a return on their investment which was becoming a problem on Xbox so this is more about survival & getting out of direct competition with a different type of device.

 

[Sooner]

You're reading it through a console warriors eyes .

Devs need to see a return on their investment which was becoming a problem on Xbox so this is more about survival & getting out of direct competition with a different type of device.

If one part of your business is bleeding money, you don't just ignore it because another part makes up for it. You cut the bad portion and put more focus on the profitable part.

 

[adamsapple]

Means FH6 will likely come day-and-date.

And man, there are some bitter folks in here! Not surprised since their favorite platform has to ultimately admit MASSIVE defeat with moves like this, but still...

You took a swipe where none was needed because news like this infuriates you, yet someone else is the fanboy? YOU? Of all people.

 

[onQ123]

If one part of your business is bleeding money, you don't just ignore it because another part makes up for it. You cut the bad portion and put more focus on the profitable part.

They will always need a base console to build games around though so why exit the console business all together

 

[TGO]

20? Mario Kart 8 has sold over 75 million.

Yep, and you also got a Switch free

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Phil isn't going to be happy that sony will use that 30% to edge him out of the business.

 

[rkofan87]

They should put Halo Infinite on Playstation next.

this mc and 5 yes yes and yes