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[Sooner]

They will always need a base console to build games around though so why exit the console business all together

I don't understand what you're saying. Does EA, Capcom, Sega need a "base console"?

 

[bender]

If only it was an upgraded version of Forza Horizon 3 instead.

Arguably the greatest arcade racing game of all time.

FH3 and FH are my favorites, slight nod to FH but I have a Colorado bias.

 

[onQ123]

I don't understand what you're saying. Does EA, Capcom, Sega need a "base console"?

None of them doing cloud gaming at the level Microsoft is going for

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Phil isn't going to be happy that sony will use that 30% to edge him out of the business.

Why not

He’s the boss of Microsoft Gaming and this is working out great for them.

 

[TrebleShot]

Hopefully we'll get the dualsense features on PC also.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

None of them doing cloud gaming at the level Microsoft is going for

GOOD!

We don’t want cloud gaming.

 

[reinking]

Phil isn't going to be happy that sony will use that 30% to edge him out of the business.

If Microsoft is truly going third-party that no longer matters. They are not going to compete with Sony head-to-head in the console space (at least for now). I think the actual harm could come from Game Pass subscribers leaving. I know everyone looks at it from the perspective of Xbox/PC users but every copy of a game sold on a competing console platform is a customer that will not subscribe to Game Pass. I think that is why we have seen the "walled garden" on consoles topic come up recently and I expect that noise to get louder.

 

[clarky]

GOOD!

We don’t want cloud gaming.

We?

It has its place, Nvidia's solution it great.

Choice is good.

 

[Sooner]

Phil isn't going to be happy that sony will use that 30% to edge him out of the business.

That old quote shows how little Phil understands his own business. The 30% Sony gets was never what was going to edge Xbox out of the console business.

It is the complete lack of exclusive games that will result in people not buying Xbox consoles and "edge them out of business".

 

[Sooner]

None of them doing cloud gaming at the level Microsoft is going for

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

That old quote shows how little Phil understands his own business. The 30% Sony gets was never what was going to edge Xbox out of the console business.

It is the complete lack of exclusive games that will result in people not buying Xbox consoles and "edge them out of business".

Phil no longer cares about Xbox console sales.

It’s a legacy part of their business which is now far from their priority.

 

[clarky]

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

The consoles are used in the cloud architecture. Series X at the moment.

 

[Sooner]

The consoles are used in the cloud architecture. Series X at the moment.

But, they don't have to be. Rumor is Microsoft dabbles in the PC space.

 

[clarky]

But, they don't have to be. Rumor is Microsoft dabbles in the PC space.

There must be a reason for it. All xbox games get a release on pc yet they still use series x consoles as blades.

Better use their own hardware than having to stock up on 5090's

 

[Sooner]

Phil no longer cares about Xbox console sales.

It’s a legacy part of their business which is now far from their priority.

Which is why it's makes no sense they're even planning another console. This one foot in and one foot out approach they've taken with Xbox is why it never takes off and only loses them money.

 

[Seomel]

i already own them on steam, but ill sure as hell double dip for ps5 pro version. also hoping eventually they will remaster first horizon

 

[FrankWza]

Actually motorfest is better. I have played both games over 500hours.. Nothing beats the grand race experience in motorfest.

Way cheaper too. It was like $12 at Walmart for a while

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

And M$ loving every second

I mean…Sony is getting 30% of all sales without spending a dollar on that game so everybody wins really

 

[Osaka_Boss]

But, but,but MS don't do compelling games, how is this possible?

Forza series is the one things MS can boast about without a single mistake in record. Can't say the same about the other stuff they put out

 

[tTHANOSs]

Hopefully we'll get the dualsense features on PC also.

Do any Microsoft releases on PC even offer native dualsense support?

 

[deriks]

Console wars guys: Sony rules!

Phil Spencer:

 

[ComputerBlue]

I’m horrible at racing games, so I tend to avoid them, so I’m going to avoid this unless if it’s dirt cheap someday, but I’m glad it’s doing so well with pre-orders because it just means more games will come quicker.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

The person saying Nintendo should take notes looked like they were making fun of the other person who said SIE should take notes from MS on how to make their racing game bigger. I'm guessing if they keep it up, they won't last long there lol.

The other argument - that no one is going to buy a PS to play exclusives - seems to go along with the anti-exclusive sentiment that's showing up more and more. I figure that's not true and also that exclusives can be about serving an existing audience. Not denying that game companies want growth, but it can be about more than that.

Yeah I only realized it was sarcasm after the fact, and I know the other post you're referring to. Thing is, there's no reason they should be banned if they were being sarcastic pointing out the stupidity of the other person's post. But then again, they have people like Judge as mods so....

And lately with the anti-exclusivity takes...we've seen way too many examples of exclusives outselling multiplats by companies calling for the end of exclusivity, to the point of embarrassment. Astro Bot completely outdid Indiana Jones despite being on only one platform, vs. Indy's 2 (Xbox, Steam)...technically four if you split Xbox into Series S & X, and add in Microsoft Store

But it's free money for MS too?

If sales makes 50 million dollars

MS get 35 mil
Sony 15 mil

Unless my maths sucks that's more a win for Xbox.

They could lower prices if they wished to gain market share (they won't as it's all about shorter term revenue for them)

And for that $35 million, Microsoft lose out on:

1: Console hardware sales, meaning they lose out on...​

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2: Main vector for driving Game Pass subscription growth, and...​

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3: 3P software sales, due to lower console sales, meaning...​

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4: Less B2P 3P sales revenue, also...​

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5: Less 30% cuts from 3P B2P sales, and...​

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6: Less 3P MTX sales, meaning...​

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7: Less 30% cuts from 3P MTX sales, also...​

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8: Less peripheral sales, due to less consoles being sold, meaning...​

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9: Less cuts on 3P peripheral sales & less profit from 1P peripheral sales overall​

That $35 million off PlayStation isn't covering for all of that.

Software sales bring in the profit hardware does not.

They’ll make over half a billion in revenue off this release if the charts are correct.

Even SoT did 4 million and this to me should sell twice as much.

SIE's making great profit off PS5 Pro sales, and at worst are breaking even on PS5s. Meanwhile they're getting profits off various PS peripheral sales, including the PS Portal.

And Nintendo? Shouldn't even need to be said, they get money off every single console they sell.

Microsoft's the odd man out because they can't leverage economies of scale to the level of SIE/Sony and Nintendo, and that's all due to how low of demand Xbox hardware has on the market. They can't justify continued high production rates because retailers end up sitting on tons of unsold stock. Stock MS either has to buy back (taking big heavy losses on hardware), or they have retailers burden moving that hardware at liquidated prices, poisoning retail relationships.

Meaning, they're less likely to put in orders for new hardware. And, yes, it's the retailers who determine how much stock's in the channels as they only order to meet buying trends & demand; even MS can't force them to buy more stock than they want.

Because nintendos whole MO from the start of time was about kiddy games. It's their thing.

Sony came out targeting late teens to 35 year olds with the adult console. Of course it's expected that they make more adult orientated games while nintendo continue their legacy of accessible games for all ages.

1: Nintendo doesn't make kiddy games, they make games for all ages. Family-friendly games. Their stuff is closer to Cartoon Network/Nickelodeon/Disney than it is Nick Jr or Disney Junior.

2: Just because SIE focus on mature-themed games doesn't mean they have to make mature-themed games in every single genre.

Tell that to Factor 5

This year for sure given SONY's lack of In-House titles for 2025

You guys said the same thing last year.

Then Helldivers 2 and Astro Bot happened, and overshadowed everything Microsoft threw out that year. Yes, even COD (certainly in terms of reception and critical praise, plus being the "hot new thing").

I guess PlayStation will have to teach the lesson again this year? Because in terms of confirmed stuff only Take Two and Nintendo will have bigger-caliber releases in 2025.

If only it was an upgraded version of Forza Horizon 3 instead.

Arguably the greatest arcade racing game of all time.

Nah; personally would reserve that title for stuff like Ridge Racer Type 4, Burnout 3, or Outrun 2.

The ol' "they'll make PlayStation players pay" so they continue throwing away money for Xbox players.

It used to be, "Microsoft makes enough money, so they don't mind that Xbox bleeds money".

The more they keep moving the goalposts, the more they just keep proving they don't want to pay for Game Pass yet want Microsoft to (for whatever reason) subsidize it as a charity.

 

[djjinx2]

There's costs associated for both parties, though. For example, there's development costs on the MS side and distribution costs on Sony's side (downloading from the store, etc.). Though, no matter how you look at it, it's beneficial for both companies, the studios who make the games, and customers. Maybe reducing costs is one of the reasons there's no physical version - not having to spend on that allows MS to gain more revenue/profit.

You think this cost hardly anything to bring to PS5?

 

[Unknown?]

Yep, and you also got a Switch free

MK8 retails for $299 with a free accessory to play it.

 

[Sooner]

i already own them on steam, but ill sure as hell double dip for ps5 pro version. also hoping eventually they will remaster first horizon

Those seem unlikely because of licensing issues around music and cars.

 

[laynelane]

You think this cost hardly anything to bring to PS5?

I have no idea how much it is to port a game to another system, advertise, and support it. No one does except MS so there's no basis to say it costs "hardly anything". However, I think it's important to take into account all factors when making estimates with actual numbers.

 

[laynelane]

If Microsoft is truly going third-party that no longer matters. They are not going to compete with Sony head-to-head in the console space (at least for now). I think the actual harm could come from Game Pass subscribers leaving. I know everyone looks at it from the perspective of Xbox/PC users but every copy of a game sold on a competing console platform is a customer that will not subscribe to Game Pass. I think that is why we have seen the "walled garden" on consoles topic come up recently and I expect that noise to get louder.

I think you're responding to a tongue in cheek reference to this:

Aside from that, I agree with you about the walled garden. It's already been happening with exclusives for quite some time now too.

 

[Ronin_7]

It's going to print money.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

And for that $35 million, Microsoft lose out on:

1: Console hardware sales, meaning they lose out on...2: Main vector for driving Game Pass subscription growth, and...3: 3P software sales, due to lower console sales, meaning...4: Less B2P 3P sales revenue, also...5: Less 30% cuts from 3P B2P sales, and...6: Less 3P MTX sales, meaning...7: Less 30% cuts from 3P MTX sales, also...8: Less peripheral sales, due to less consoles being sold, meaning...9: Less cuts on 3P peripheral sales & less profit from 1P peripheral sales overall
That $35 million off PlayStation isn't covering for all of that.

The point is that Microsoft ALREADY lost all of that, they are at rock bottom

 

[onQ123]

But it's free money for MS too?

If sales makes 50 million dollars

MS get 35 mil
Sony 15 mil

Unless my maths sucks that's more a win for Xbox.

They could lower prices if they wished to gain market share (they won't as it's all about shorter term revenue for them)

And if the game sales more PS5s & Accessories?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

And if the game sales more PS5s & Accessories?

More PS5s in the world means more people for Microsoft to sell games to.

 

[DanielG165]

A proper racing game. It's better than GT7.

*runs away*

They can’t be compared. One’s a sim lite, the other is an open world party racer.

 

[Team Andromeda]

1: Console hardware sales, meaning they lose out on...​

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You guys said the same thing last year.

Then Helldivers 2 and Astro Bot happened, and overshadowed everything Microsoft threw out that year. Yes, even COD (certainly in terms of reception and critical praise, plus being the "hot new thing").

I guess PlayStation will have to teach the lesson again this year? Because in terms of confirmed stuff only Take Two and Nintendo will have bigger-caliber releases in 2025.

You're a Generation fanboy who can't seem to work out that Arrowhead isn't In-House much less can work out that in terms of In-House titles, no one is coming close to Xbox in 2025
and I'm not a big fan of COD btw.

 

[Mattyp]

The point is that Microsoft ALREADY lost all of that, they are at rock bottom

The $35 million that keeps getting thrown around on one commentators hypothetical math covering things is laughable to keep bringing up.

This old game will bring in over half a billion in revenue for Microsoft...

 

[Seomel]

Those seem unlikely because of licensing issues around music and cars.

Figured, but maybe one day they do something. FH and FH2 are still quite bad on emulation

 

[DenchDeckard]

I think most people knew this game would sell millions on ps5. I was saying it's the one no brainer game MS has in its catalogue to port to ps5.

The game is going to do huge numbers. Shame about the lack of physical though.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

You're a Generation fanboy who can't seem to work out that Arrowhead isn't In-House much less can work out that in terms of In-House titles, no one is coming close to Xbox in 2025
and I'm not a big fan of COD btw.

SIE own the Helldivers IP so yes, it's considered in-house by the fact SIE hold the rights. Guess you can make a 10+ million hit without needing to try buying up the whole industry after all, whodathunk?

And there's still the high likelihood that Ghosts of Yotei performs better in sales & acclaim than any Microsoft release this year aside COD which will probably do more in B2P. And have you forgotten Nintendo is releasing a new system this year? If there's a new 3D Mario at launch, it's a wrap. That's gonna be GOTY easy and also outsell every MS release plus at worst, match COD in sales.

Not me hating or fanboying, just speaking realistic likelihoods. Also doesn't mean I'm calling MS's 2025 slate "trash". But the idea they're gonna suddenly leapfrog SIE & Nintendo with their 2025 lineup is quite hilarious. Maybe wait 'till next year?

 

[DenchDeckard]

SIE own the Helldivers IP so yes, it's considered in-house by the fact SIE hold the rights. Guess you can make a 10+ million hit without needing to try buying up the whole industry after all, whodathunk?

And there's still the high likelihood that Ghosts of Yotei performs better in sales & acclaim than any Microsoft release this year aside COD which will probably do more in B2P. And have you forgotten Nintendo is releasing a new system this year? If there's a new 3D Mario at launch, it's a wrap. That's gonna be GOTY easy and also outsell every MS release plus at worst, match COD in sales.

Not me hating or fanboying, just speaking realistic likelihoods. Also doesn't mean I'm calling MS's 2025 slate "trash". But the idea they're gonna suddenly leapfrog SIE & Nintendo with their 2025 lineup is quite hilarious. Maybe wait 'till next year?

What is total sales for Ghost Of Tsushima, on PS?

Sony sequel sales seem to be in decline, which I cant get my head around so it will be interesting to see how it performs.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

What is total sales for Ghost Of Tsushima, on PS?

Sony sequel sales seem to be in decline, which I cant get my head around so it will be interesting to see how it performs.

They’re in decline because a lot of the previous entries were heavily bundled on PS4.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Beating Monster Hunter?

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

They’re in decline because a lot of the previous entries were heavily bundled on PS4.

I think it's more to do with most ps4 owners still haven't moved to ps5.
A lot of the PS5 base is new to playstation.

I think FH5 will sell a few million on PS5 mainly cause no one only on PlayStation has access to FH4.
So this is their first one they can get.

 

[onQ123]

What is total sales for Ghost Of Tsushima, on PS?

Sony sequel sales seem to be in decline, which I cant get my head around so it will be interesting to see how it performs.

I doubt that Helldivers sold better than Helldivers 2

 

[Gorgon]

What is total sales for Ghost Of Tsushima, on PS?

Sony sequel sales seem to be in decline, which I cant get my head around so it will be interesting to see how it performs.

Dunno, but GoT is one of those games offered on PSN+, so a lot of people didn't actually buy it (kinda like MS stuff on GP).

 

[Team Andromeda]

SIE own the Helldivers IP so yes, it's considered in-house by the fact SIE hold the rights.

. A publisher can hold the IP rights but not have it developed In-House. Next... you'll be saying Bayonetta games were made In-House by SEGA
As for your your drivel on the last part, I was talking about the number of In-House titles coming out and on that simple metric it is XBox year in 2025

And you pretending not to be a fanboy is Irony at its peak.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I doubt that Helldivers sold better than Helldivers 2

I mean, yeah lol. A top down isometric indie game vs a full sized AAA game with 8 years development. lol

I mean Horizon, spider man, god of war Ragnarök. Actual Sony 1st party studio games.

 

[onQ123]

I mean, yeah lol. A top down isometric indie game vs a full sized AAA game with 8 years development. lol

I mean Horizon, spider man, god of war Ragnarök. Actual Sony 1st party studio games.

You mean games that were lightning in a bottle selling more than any PlayStation games in other generations 15 & 20 million only selling 10 to 15 million in the transition to a new generation?

I guess the sequels are all in a down fall

 

[mckmas8808]

I mean, yeah lol. A top down isometric indie game vs a full sized AAA game with 8 years development. lol

I mean Horizon, spider man, god of war Ragnarök. Actual Sony 1st party studio games.

Helldivers II is a 1st party game. What are you doing?

 

[tTHANOSs]

The $35 million that keeps getting thrown around on one commentators hypothetical math covering things is laughable to keep bringing up.

This old game will bring in over half a billion in revenue for Microsoft...

Half a billion? Then playstation will get over 200 million vs Microsofts 500 million. Remember the 30% cut to playstation for the software sales and in game purchases.

 

[jroc74]

You're a Generation fanboy who can't seem to work out that Arrowhead isn't In-House much less can work out that in terms of In-House titles, no one is coming close to Xbox in 2025
and I'm not a big fan of COD btw.

I couldn't figure it out, this confirms why you kept saying in house.

lol

That Shu quote must have hit a nerve.