winjer
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True, but it was to be expected. Considering it's the same tactic as with the PS4 Pro.
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PS5 Pro Specs Leak are Real, Releasing Holiday 2024(Insider Gaming)
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True, but it was to be expected. Considering it's the same tactic as with the PS4 Pro.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Why are you including an optional service where games are included every month months analysis?
Nice way to be completely disingenuous. Your $3k monster rig in 2020 is now basically outclassed or roughly on par with a $599 console in 2024. So how’s that looking?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Don't bother replying to takes like this.
Is it still 256-bit? If yes, then it's a frequency increase to 2,25Ghz over 1.75Ghz of the PS5.
M1987
Member
It will be nowhere near 67
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
These games aren’t cpu limited at all
There’s no reason to bump the cpu for a mid gen refresh where the base console is the target hardware …
There’s no reason to bump the cpu for a mid gen refresh where the base console is the target hardware …
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
3.85 Ghz? lmao. get fucked Cerny.
This thing will be CPU bottlenecked on day 1. Well done.
This thing will be CPU bottlenecked on day 1. Well done.
Self_Destructive
Member
Same goes for PC.
You missed the point. It's not that the price was $350... it was that there was 1 console per generation. Devs could focus on that console, and make great experiences for it.
Now, they're pissing around developing multiple console tiers per generation, you have games which still try to support previous generation consoles as well... you have multiple modes inside of games... performance... quality... Ray Tracing... 120hz... 40fps mode.... VRR mode.... They're literally turning console gaming into PC gaming. x86 architecture... PC CPU and GPU technology... they're needlessly complicating all this shit instead of actually just buckling down and developing the right experience for their game and giving it to everyone.
Lagspike_exe
Member
We'll see what the system performs like. But it seems they are aiming for higher fidelity rather than boosting FPS in CPU-bound situations here.
Lagspike_exe
Member
It really does not. Last gen, PC GPUs that looked great when PS4 came out were struggling heavily as we neared the end of the generation.
Badlucktroll
Member
And PS3! They could include it as a special treat
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Self_Destructive
Member
Huh? If you want to play online... you're paying for PS+ essential.
Hell, aren't cloud saves even still paywalled behind PS+?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I have little doubt Sony's first-party devs and competent ones will use it very well. What worries me are third-party devs like Warner Bros with Gotham Knights who locked the game to 30fps because their piece of shit CPU performance was so single-threaded that even powerful PC CPUs couldn't run it at 60fps.
The thing with brute strength as I mentioned is that it allows for fuck-ups to impact performance less. We know smart design choices are the way to go but not everyone knows how to use their resources at their disposal properly.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Apparently, Spidey 2 is CPU-limited in the 60fps mode.
Loxus
Member
Unless it has some kind of IPC increase or identical meaning cores and not architecture.
Then yea, things aren't looking so great.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Huh? If you want to play online... you're paying for PS+ essential.
Hell, aren't cloud saves even still paywalled behind PS+?
Huh? You have to buy games on PC? Is that included in your cost since you added an optimal game service to the lifecycle cost
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
In what way? The Framerate is quite stable, if that’s the case then the 10% boost should help.
Regardless devs aren’t going to target anything that is more cpu intensive than the base consoles
tmlDan
Member
The actual costs of the console for most is the standard price at launch and you never buy one again. PS Plus is also not mandatory.
Any other talk is just you making stuff up to put it on par with PC's
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Self_Destructive
Member
What are you talking about?
PS+ is not optional if you play online. Are you not paying for PS+?
Online isn't included in the PC cost... because you don't have to pay to play online.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I am afraid the 30 fps monster is here to stay awhile longer
Honestly have only talked about 1 specific game that is a shooter that already has a 120 fps option and how great it looked running 120 fps
jm89
Member
That's why i'm not dissapointed.
I looked at what they did for the ps4 pro and just set my expectations that's it's not going to be a huge upgrade.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
What are you talking about?
PS+ is not optional if you play online. Are you not paying for PS+?
Online isn't included in the PC cost... because you don't have to pay to play online.
I don’t play online often. And I buy PS+ for the monthly games. Not the online
Self_Destructive
Member
This is disingenuous. We're in a thread of people talking about upgrading their console.
PS+ also IS mandatory... if you want to match the PC experience of being able to play online.
I mean, I can make PC dirt cheap too by ignoring all the obvious ways in which costs are added to it...
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
PS4 Pro got a 30% boost in clockspeeds. this is a paltry 10% increase.
watch this video. several games are cpu bottlenecked with rt on even when paired against the 3080 and ryzen 3600. it is impossible to get 60 fps so alex just recommends turning off rt. they needed way higher cpu clocks at the very least especially since they are not going from zen 2 to zen 4. this is a huge fuck up because all those RT improvements in the GpU will now go to waste.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
How's the cpu crap?
Self_Destructive
Member
Ok, but was I talking about you specifically... or was I talking in general?
I can make PC gaming cheaper too by...... not buying games...
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Does PC give you free mid tier or higher games each month?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
In that it can dip below 60fps because the CPU isn't fast enough to feed the GPU.
It's an old Zen 2 slower than the 3600 desktop counterpart and those haven't aged particularly well. The anemic cache further exacerbates the problems.
Physiognomonics
Member
PS5 Pro plot is thickening.
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Self_Destructive
Member
Uh, I've got over 450 free games from Epic.... and they continue every week... lol
Not to mention all the free ones from Steam and GOG from time to time.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Must be rare, either way, 10% boost would stabilize the frames
Not for rendering, but they might be able to get close for the AI upscaling part.
Lagspike_exe
Member
I highly doubt they didn't think of this. They probably have an approach to off-load RT-heavy stuff from the CPU with RDNA 4 and whatever modifications they made.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Uh, what games ? Either way, your less performant monster rig from 2020 still cost more than a ps5 pro in 2024 even including all the disingenuous comparisons you added
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Cue Alex Battaglia tears. The guy said AMD didn't have anything in the pipeline worthwhile for PS5 Pro to be compelling with RT.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Self_Destructive
Member
TrebleShot
Member
meltdowns but no mention of the upscaling tech or RT increases
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
And if you bought a few years ago it would likely be less than the ps5 pro this year at a much higher cost
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Nah, keyboards are only good for fighters up to a point xD. A 2D fighter like Street Fighter, keyboard is a no-go for grapplers. Unless they're mixed-input semi-grapplers like Alex from 3S where you only need half-circles and not full-circles. I mean you can still kind of buffer full circles off a jump but that is not easy to do consistently.
Rhythm games it matters more about latency and input re-mapping.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
The RT increases from the document states
- 2-3x Ray-tracing (x4 in some cases)
Have warned people awhile here that would be their main selling point
And here we go....
TrebleShot
Member
Yeah so why’s everyone so upset about the cpu increase the rt performance will free up the cpu for other tasks or amThe RT increases from the document states
- 2-3x Ray-tracing (x4 in some cases)
Have warned people awhile here that would be their main selling point
I out of whack here?
winjer
Gold Member
DF has a 3600 with a latency of 90ns. So that CPU is not performing as it should, so that test is invalid.
Self_Destructive
Member
Nah. When prices were sky high on GPUs, I sold my previous part for more than it cost me when I bought it. I made money off owning that GPU lmao. The GPU I currently have smokes the PS5 Pro.
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
The main marketing points for this is going to be more about resolution and RT than FPS.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
That's what we're hoping at least.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Yeah that’s not replicable
And the GPU you have now will be “smoked” by PS6
So you’ll be forced to buy another multi thousand dollar PC to beat a $600 console
The cycle repeats
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MisterXDTV
Member
I guess if the memory system is more efficient we will have more VRAM for games?? Maybe 14 GB out of 16??