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PS5 Pro Specs Leak are Real, Releasing Holiday 2024(Insider Gaming)

Mr.Phoenix

Member
$550 GPU (4070) exceeds PS5 Pro. $600 GPU (4070 Super) exceeds it further. That's a fact, since Nvidia had the wherewithal to include good raster, RT and ML.

I'll have to wait and see how much better PSSR is vs. FSR3.1 to see if I agree or not.


7700 XT is a $400 card in the US.

Yes it is the card alone, as has been said multiple times.

If I had to, I'd personally take a $300 GPU over a PS5 Pro. Since a $300 PC GPU can run many last gen games (games like Arkham Knight and Just Cause 3, which will still run 30 FPS on PS5 Pro at abysmal PS4 settings) much better than PS5 Pro.
What's your damage bruh?

Like, have any idea how stupid this kinda talk is?

Ok... even if you can find a GPU that will match the PS5pro for $300. That is still JUST THE GPU. You still need a CPU, RAM, storage, PSU and controiller/mouse+keyboard.

You talk like everyone that is in the market for the PS5/PS5pro has a gaming PC that only needs a GPU upgrade. Just take this nonsense out of here.
 

welshrat

Member
What's your damage bruh?

Like, have any idea how stupid this kinda talk is?

Ok... even if you can find a GPU that will match the PS5pro for $300. That is still JUST THE GPU. You still need a CPU, RAM, storage, PSU and controiller/mouse+keyboard.

You talk like everyone that is in the market for the PS5/PS5pro has a gaming PC that only needs a GPU upgrade. Just take this nonsense out of here.
Also wonder why he cares. He is really not the target demographic.
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
I think he's saying that a huge amount of games won't receive any sort of pro patch. That remains to be seen. At the very least games with unstable framerates should run better even without a patch.
When I say that I'm mostly talking about PS4 era games.

Stuff like Arkham Knighta and Just Cause 3, things that hold up really well on PC today, with even low end GPUs, they run like crap on PS5 because of the limitations of the PS4... I still play a lot of games from that era, and they run way better on PC.
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
When I say that I'm mostly talking about PS4 era games.

Stuff like Arkham Knighta and Just Cause 3, things that hold up really well on PC today, with even low end GPUs, they run like crap on PS5 because of the limitations of the PS4... I still play a lot of games from that era, and they run way better on PC.
Oh ok. Gotcha. That's true but I think most PlayStation 5 gamers aren't worried about ps4 games at this point.
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
What's your damage bruh?

Like, have any idea how stupid this kinda talk is?

Ok... even if you can find a GPU that will match the PS5pro for $300. That is still JUST THE GPU. You still need a CPU, RAM, storage, PSU and controiller/mouse+keyboard.

You talk like everyone that is in the market for the PS5/PS5pro has a gaming PC that only needs a GPU upgrade. Just take this nonsense out of here.
PS5 Pro will be limited to PS4 settings when running PS4 software. Games like Arkham Knight, Just Cause 3, and many others, will run much better on a PC equiped with a $200 GPU than they will on a PS5 Pro, running backwards compatible PS4 games. PS5 Pro can't escape the limitations of PS4 games.
 
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Audiophile

Member
Ah ok. GTA VI will definitely move hardware especially if there's a bundle that's the current price of the PS5 on it's own for launch.

I really, really hope R* don't ignore the Pro like they did with GTA V and have ignored PS5 with RDRII... For such a visually accomplished studio they really don't seem to care about image quality or stabalising framerate nevermind talking 60fps modes. I pray this time it's different because if I buy a PS5 Pro this year and there's literally no difference between it's version and the standard PS5 version of GTA VI I'll be mad lol.
I'm pretty sure every PS4 game released a month or so after the PS4 Pro's launch was mandated to have a Pro mode. So with GTAVI coming a year later than the PS5 Pro -- and assuming they mandate it again -- it should be guaranteed.
 
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I'm pretty sure every PS4 game released a month or so after the PS4 Pro's launch was mandated to have a Pro mode. So with GTAVI coming a year later it should be guaranteed.
Yeah thinking about it RDRII had a Pro mode it was just awfully implemented. I was lucky enough to have a One X (aswell as a Pro) to play it on where it was native 4k.
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
I love how you decrease the price by $100 every time you post.
Well its a true statement. A $200 GPU will destroy most PS4-era games running on PS5/PS5 Pro.

There are thousands of games that will never get a native PS5/PS5 Pro patch, stuck at PS4 settings (often 30 FPS), while a $200 GPU can handle many of those games at 120 FPS or more (and at higher than PS4 settings).
 
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King Dazzar

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TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
So its safe to say that the Series X is redundant because the Series S exists?
I know you don't agree because you really want one and that's okay, but this doesn't make the point you think it does.
Sony's reasons for the PS4 Pro can't be applied to a PS5 Pro because they made it redundant.
 

Three

Member
Well its a true statement.
It's an opinion, not a true statement. others might prefer that numerous PS4 games that received updates perform much better than your $200 GPU in addition to the newer PS5 games that the $200 GPU would struggle to run. I just find it funny how your opinion keeps trying to reduce the GPU price by $100 to an even shitter graphics card for todays games every time you post about your opinion to get a poorer performing GPU over a PS5 Pro due to these patches.
If I had to, I'd personally take a $300 GPU over a PS5 Pro. Since a $300 PC GPU can run many last gen games much better than PS5 Pro.

since PS4 backwards compatability is limited to PS4/PS4 Pro, making even $200 GPUs better for playing many games.

Next post aim for a really crap $100 GPU just for those games that didn't get a patch. Those games are clearly more important than playing anything released recently or games getting support now. Play all these other games with poor performance and graphics, why not, right?
 
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King Dazzar

Member
It's an opinion, not a true statement. others might prefer that numerous PS4 games that received updates perform much better than your $200 GPU in addition to the newer PS5 games that the $200 GPU would struggle to run. I just find it funny how your opinion keeps trying to reduce the GPU price by $100 to an even shitter graphics card for todays games every time you post about your opinion to get a poorer performing GPU over a PS5 Pro due to these patches.




Next post aim for a really crap $100 GPU just for those games that didn't get a patch. Those games are clearly more important than playing anything released recently or games getting support now. Play all these other games with poor performance and graphics, why not, right?
I'm waiting for us to be educated that the PS5 Pro wont increase performance for PS3 or PS2 games either. Its blatant trolling.
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
This sort of rubbish gets said at the start of every gen, and then people are suddenly lost for words when the games arrive.
PS5 Pro is not a new gen, its a 45% raster increase, and an increase in RT/ML, two things where PC has advanced much further.

The weakest GPU increase ever for a mid-gen refresh, but PSSR could be impressive.

It's an opinion, not a true statement.
It is true, Just Cause 3, Arkham Knight and many others run at 30 FPS on PS5, PS5 Pro can't help PS4 software like this.

$200 GPU is way better in those kinds of games.

There are thousands of games that run with PS4 settings when run on PS5.

Next post aim for a really crap $100 GPU just for those games that didn't get a patch. Those games are clearly more important than playing anything released recently or games getting support now. Play all these other games with poor performance and graphics, why not, right?
I'm not saying they are more important but I still play games from that era (on PC, where they are not stuck to PS4 settings), and the fact remains PS5 Pro will be held back by PS4 settings in thousands of games. There is no getting around it.
 
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Kings Field

Member
Hey nerds, any “leak” on when this thing is coming out? I don’t feel like sifting through 40 pages of geektalk like I’m watching an Austin Evan’s video.
 

PaintTinJr

Member
Some of you really expecting a top end PC experience out of this? Pssr better than dlss? Really? I think you need to lower your expectations.
Why? Sony are a world leading engineering company specialising in signal processing. Their AI upscaling in Television and audio is considered excellent and arguably the best in the world, and that's not even to mention their world dominating sensor division.

Even Microsoft made gaining access to Sony's image processing technologies a criteria of the sweet deal Sony made in getting Azure Cloud resources from Microsoft at preferable rates.

The only way PSSR won't be superior to DLSS is if it is not profitable to achieve it in a PS5 Pro priced console with that silicon budget, because AI ML upscaling is just maths driven by signal processing techniques, and Sony are a completely different tier of company compared to Nvidia in that field of engineering, especially when you consider their enormous movie, TV, animation , music and games publishing arms as media they have to train AI ML models.
 

bitbydeath

Member
PS5 Pro is not a new gen, its a 45% raster increase, and an increase in RT/ML, two things where PC has advanced much further.

The weakest GPU increase ever for a mid-gen refresh, but PSSR could be impressive.
You need to learn that consoles aren’t made with off-the shelf GPU’s. There is no equivalent.

Consoles aren’t just GPU’s either, there’s a lot more involved that makes up the final image. That is why these guesses are wrong everytime.
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
You need to learn that consoles aren’t made with off-the shelf GPU’s. There is no equivalent.
Of course they are not exactly the same, but when PS5 Pro comes out, you can bet your ass DF will be comparing it to PC hardware so we will see where it will fall. Likely around 7700 XT...

Consoles aren’t just GPU’s either, there’s a lot more involved that makes up the final image. That is why these guesses are wrong everytime.
45% raster increase is not a guess, that comes directly from Sony.

And its abysmal for a mid-gen refresh. Good thing they have improvements with PSSR and RT...
 
Of course they are not exactly the same, but when PS5 Pro comes out, you can bet your ass DF will be comparing it to PC hardware so we will see where it will fall. Likely around 7700 XT...


45% raster increase is not a guess, that comes directly from Sony.

And its abysmal for a mid-gen refresh. Good thing they have improvements with PSSR and RT...

Comes from where? We're just assuming based on leaks.
 

bitbydeath

Member
Of course they are not exactly the same, but when PS5 Pro comes out, you can bet your ass DF will be comparing it to PC hardware so we will see where it will fall. Likely around 7700 XT...


45% raster increase is not a guess, that comes directly from Sony.

And its abysmal for a mid-gen refresh. Good thing they have improvements with PSSR and RT...
DF can’t even work out why the PS5 outperforms the XSX. I wouldn’t rely on them for anything meaningful.

I never said the 45% raster was a guess, but that is only one part of the GPU. The guess you are making is for an equivalent GPU.
 
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Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
DF can’t even work out why the PS5 outperforms the XSX.
That's irrelevant to finding out which GPU PS5 Pro is closest to. All DF has to do is do what they've been doing for years and match console settings to find out which GPUs are closest to it, and we'll be seeing those videos shortly after PS5 Pro launch.
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Comes from where? We're just assuming based on leaks.
DF verified the 45% leak. Its a foregone conclusion at this point.

The only thing people can guess about at this point is how the RDNA4 RT translates into actual performance or how good PSSR is, for those I'm waiting to see the results.
 

onQ123

Member
I dnt think a pro console is needed this gen tbh but that's my opinion
Hardcore fans will always buy consoles for whatever meaningless updates the consoles launch with.
Xbox one x was a solid mid gen console ,since Xbox one was dumpster fire but right now I dnt think pro will be that big of a jump from a series x and a base ps5
Pro consoles are mostly to keep the profit margin up when it's time for a price reduction on the base model.

For someone buying a PS5 in 2024 - 2027 it will just be a option if they want more power.

I'm not sure why a better option brought on by advances in the hardware manufacturing is something to even complain about lol.
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
It’s not irrelevant, they tried to pinpoint the GPU to a PC equivalent and failed, just as you are.
They will do another video pinpointing the PS5 Pro GPU, and it will likely be right around 7700 XT, but slower than 4070, on average.

Just because you didn't like results of their prior videos where PS5 lost to some GPUs, doesn't mean they failed...
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Pro consoles are mostly to keep the profit margin up when it's time for a price reduction on the base model.

For someone buying a PS5 in 2024 - 2027 it will just be a option if they want more power.

I'm not sure why a better option brought on by advances in the hardware manufacturing is something to even complain about lol.
Pro consoles are mainly designed to keep people in their ecosystem and stop people from buying other hardware, mainly PC parts
 

bitbydeath

Member
They will do another video pinpointing the PS5 Pro GPU, and it will likely be right around 7700 XT, but slower than 4070, on average.

Just because you didn't like results of their prior videos where PS5 lost to some GPUs, doesn't mean they failed...
Using the paper specs they assumed XSX would blow away the PS5. They were wrong, rasterisation/teraflops are not everything.

People always guess early and always underestimate consoles.

This time will be no different.
 
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Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Using the paper specs they assumed XSX would blow away the PS5. They were wrong, rasterisation/teraflops are not everything.
They never assumed it would blow away PS5, there is only ~16% (peak) Tflop difference.

They thought it would win on average, they were wrong, and they shed some light on why that might be recently after speaking to devs (though Series X definately does win in some situations).

Even with PS5-like console optimizations, a PS5 Pro will not be a match for a 4070, though it may slightly win against 7700 XT because of PSSR/RT.
 
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Ozriel

M$FT
More, and for one very big reason - GTA6

When the PS4 Pro released GTA5 was already 3 years old and had already been out on PC for over a year. When GTA6 drops next year the PS5 Pro will be the absolute best way to experience that game until either the eventual PC release or maybe if Xbox kickstarts their next gen early at some point afterwards. Either way, at a mainstream price the PS5 will be the primary platform for the game and the PS5 Pro at a slightly above mainstream price will provide the best bang for your buck.

On top of that, the avalanche of content SIE will drop in the second half of this gen will be a sight to behold.

GTA 6 will make some of the hardcore trade their base PS5 for the Pro.

For most buyers, i don’t see why they wouldn’t just stick with the significantly cheaper PS5. As you say, it’ll be the lead console.

GTA 6 will be a killer app for PS5. Not sure if that really extends to the Pro, tbh.
 
GTA 6 will make some of the hardcore trade their base PS5 for the Pro.

For most buyers, i don’t see why they wouldn’t just stick with the significantly cheaper PS5. As you say, it’ll be the lead console.

GTA 6 will be a killer app for PS5. Not sure if that really extends to the Pro, tbh.

I'll buy it because it will improve IQ and/or FPS in pretty much all the games. The RTRT ones will get more elaborate implementations along with the IQ and FPS boost. For some, it will be worth it.
 

bitbydeath

Member
They never assumed it would blow away PS5, there is only ~16% (peak) Tflop difference.

They thought it would win on average, they were wrong, and they shed some light on why that might be recently after speaking to devs (though Series X definately does win in some situations).

Even with PS5-like console optimizations, a PS5 Pro will not be a match for a 4070, though it may slightly win against 7700 XT because of PSSR/RT.
You’re presuming an outcome based on incomplete specs. I bet you will ghost when you discover you were wrong.
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
You’re presuming an outcome based on incomplete specs. I bet you will ghost when you discover you were wrong.
I'll be shocked if what I posted doesn't come true.

1. 7700 XT level raster on average but slower than RTX 4070
2. slower than RTX 4070 RT
3. PSSR better than FSR, maybe comparable with DLSS
4. thousands of PS4 games won't be able to use PS5 Pro power, making the extra power useless in many titles (old PC games by contrast continually get upgraded through hardware upgrades).
5. RDNA4 and RTX 50 will bring PS5 Pro performance closer to the low end months after launch (mid-range 5070 will be notably more powerful than PS5 Pro).

I would love to be wrong on #4 though, as I would buy a PS5 Pro if it enhanced my PS4 games that never got ported to anything else.
 
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vivftp

Member
GTA 6 will make some of the hardcore trade their base PS5 for the Pro.

For most buyers, i don’t see why they wouldn’t just stick with the significantly cheaper PS5. As you say, it’ll be the lead console.

GTA 6 will be a killer app for PS5. Not sure if that really extends to the Pro, tbh.

Most gamers will stick with the base PS5 to play GTA6, that's not in question here and never was. The base PS5 is the mainstream console that will always sell significantly more than the Pro.

The reason the Pro will be enticing for GTA6 though is because at the time of the games release, the PS5 Pro will be the absolute best way to experience the game. There will be a not so insignificant portion of folks interested in playing GTA6 at launch who will want the best experience, so the Pro is the way to go. As I mentioned in the earlier post, when the PS4 Pro launched there had already been the PC release of GTA5, it could be 1-2 years after the launch of GTA6 on console that it finally lands on PC. It's possible Xbox might have an even more powerful box out by holiday 2026, but some folks have been suggesting it could be a very pricey box, relative to current consoles. If it is, then one has to wonder just how many units it'll move.

Between PS5 owners who wanna upgrade for the better experience, PS4 owners moving up to current gen and are willing to spend a bit more, and non-console gamers who buy a PS5 because they can't wait for the game to land on PC, I think there'll be a very solid chunk of folks who will gravitate towards the Pro simply for GTA6. There's gonna be so many other reasons with all the other games and whatnot, but GTA will be a huge factor IMO.
 

bitbydeath

Member
I'll be shocked if what I posted doesn't come true.

1. 7700 XT level raster on average but slower than RTX 4070
2. slower than RTX 4070 RT
3. PSSR better than FSR, maybe comparable with DLSS
4. thousands of PS4 games won't be able to use PS5 Pro power, making the extra power useless in many titles (old PC games by contrast continually get upgraded through hardware upgrades).
5. RDNA4 and RTX 50 will bring PS5 Pro performance closer to the low end months after launch (mid-range 5070 will be notably more powerful than PS5 Pro).

I would love to be wrong on #4 though, as I would buy a PS5 Pro if it enhanced my PS4 games that never got ported to anything else.
For the record, I wouldn’t be shocked. 😜
 

Fafalada

Fafracer forever
They never assumed it would blow away PS5, there is only ~16% (peak) Tflop difference.
I mean...
DigitalFoundry said:
On paper, the Xbox Series X is a considerably more powerful piece of hardware than PlayStation 5
...
In terms of technical specifications, Xbox Series X is undoubtedly the most powerful console on the market - at least until the mooted PlayStation 5 Pro arrives. Its GPU hits 12 teraflops, augmented by a handsome amount of memory bandwidth: a max of 560GB/s. PlayStation 5? 10.23TF of GPU compute is available, fed by 448GB/s of bandwidth. It's a clear divide then. If we were to see that spec comparison in the PC space, you'd expect to see the former handily outperform the latter.
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
For the record, I wouldn’t be shocked. 😜
On all points, what about points 3. You think FSR will be better than PSSR?!?
What about point 4. You think PS5 Pro will offer a meaningful benefit for the thousands of unpatched PS4 games?!?
 
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