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Reminder of why Mark Cerny believes a Pro is needed and why comparing to PC builds is disingenuous
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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XXL
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I think a ton of this is a complete overreaction.
The Digital PS5 is $449US, it has 1TB of storage.
The Digital PS5 Pro is $699US, it has a better GPU and 2TB of storage, along with other smaller upgrades.
I'm really struggling to see why this is soooooo outrageous.
I think the lack of a stand is bullshit though and they really should include that in the box.
The Digital PS5 is $449US, it has 1TB of storage.
The Digital PS5 Pro is $699US, it has a better GPU and 2TB of storage, along with other smaller upgrades.
I'm really struggling to see why this is soooooo outrageous.
I think the lack of a stand is bullshit though and they really should include that in the box.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Dude, no way!A Sony consultant pushing a Sony product?
Dorfdad
Gold Member
while mark is a smart guy clearly, the fact that he says he's a "massive gamer" I find disingenuous simple from this quote alone.
How the hell are you surprised as a massive gamer that 30FPS shooters and games outside adventure feel so sluggish and choppy for 90% of us with eyes.
I really believe the PS5 should have been designed as 1440p/60 upscaled to 4K and Pro should be 4k/120 standard.
How the hell are you surprised as a massive gamer that 30FPS shooters and games outside adventure feel so sluggish and choppy for 90% of us with eyes.
I really believe the PS5 should have been designed as 1440p/60 upscaled to 4K and Pro should be 4k/120 standard.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Because for most of gaming history it was a luxury to even have locked 30fps
Fidelity was *always* the higher priority until this gen
Shows he actually is a gamer. I think devs are just too lazy to push boundaries these days, sadly
Old engines just cranked up
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sudolicious
Neo Member
You misinterpreted his statement. He hasn't said that he prefers 30fps. He said that's what history has shown devs would go for. Big difference.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Forget Linus Tech Tips's old ass video, how is that relevant in 2024.
Now, with PS5 pro prices + drive, you get close to price of a pretty damn good PC without chasing any particular deals, prices right now, not deep discounts like we often see. Its gonna get even better in a couple of months when Blackwell and RDNA 4 are announced.
Now, with PS5 pro prices + drive, you get close to price of a pretty damn good PC without chasing any particular deals, prices right now, not deep discounts like we often see. Its gonna get even better in a couple of months when Blackwell and RDNA 4 are announced.
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Sony showed up I think the ps5 pro will be a very big Christmas gift or whatever you want to call it. Pc gamers are responsible for them making pro versions.
Hudo
Member
My best friend is Toyota now.
Cyberpunkd
Member
But then there is always an easy fix, most of the time first hit on Google will tell you what to do. I have been gaming for 30 years, I had my fair share of PC problems; but the solution was never far away. I don't remember a single case where I couldn't fix what was broken. On a console you WON'T be able to do it no matter what.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Because he probably games on PC.
March Climber
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March Climber
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Because until the existence of performance mode, everyone had given up and accepted it for every game that wasn't CoD. Other than pro consoles, I think the Dreamcast was the last time people ooh'd and ahh'd at a console outperforming it's peers in framerate by a large margin. Even on that console 60fps wasn't a guarantee.
sendit
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lol what? You can’t design a console to hit a specific resolution/performance. Hell, even a 4090 is incapable of hitting 4K/120 in modern games. This more or less has to be a design decision from a software development perspective.
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FeralEcho
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Fanboys trying so hard to convince themselves it's actually a really worthwhile investment and not an extremely overpriced pos by a company clearly taking advantage of their goodwill.
"Cerny said you need it"
"I'm not poor like the rest"
"inflation"
"Trading in your current PS5 makes the PRO a steal"
"30 fps and sub 4k murders your eyeballs"
"digital is the future anyway,you don't need a disc drive"
"You don't need a stand,you can be the stand"
Flashbacks of the Xbox fanboys defending the Xbox One.
"Cerny said you need it"
"I'm not poor like the rest"
"inflation"
"Trading in your current PS5 makes the PRO a steal"
"30 fps and sub 4k murders your eyeballs"
"digital is the future anyway,you don't need a disc drive"
"You don't need a stand,you can be the stand"
Flashbacks of the Xbox fanboys defending the Xbox One.
Lucifers Beard
Member
No such thing as 4K/120 standard. Games increase in complexity and hardware ages over time, so at some point the graphics and game complexity need to be scaled down in order to run the software.
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SenkiDala
Member
Educate myself... lol
You should read more of what I say before talking. I know all about the Cerny's career.
You're the dumb one.
Audiophile
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diffusionx
Gold Member
This guy has been in the videogame industry for forty years and I really can't think of anything he has done that is objectionable. He worked on games and hardware that everyone here loves.
diffusionx
Gold Member
don't be mad just because you can't afford to hire people from the Home Depot parking lot to hold up your PS5 Pro like I can.Fanboys trying so hard to convince themselves it's actually a really worthwhile investment and not an extremely overpriced pos by a company clearly taking advantage of their goodwill.
"Cerny said you need it"
"I'm not poor like the rest"
"inflation"
"Trading in your current PS5 makes the PRO a steal"
"30 fps and sub 4k murders your eyeballs"
"digital is the future anyway,you don't need a disc drive"
"You don't need a stand,you can be the stand"
Flashbacks of the Xbox fanboys defending the Xbox One.
UniformDeliverance
Member
The amount of influencers that I know for a fact that $3,000+ gaming PCs clutching their pearls over a $700 console..
You want 4K with 60+fps and raytracing? that costs more than $700 to achieve in the PC space. It's a good deal for the performance, and gives the convivence of playing from the couch. If you're looking for the lowest cost entry point into gaming, then you're not someone who's looking to buy a PS5 Pro.
If you want a no compromise gaming experience? we finally have a console that is going for that. This is good. It'll sell. The discourse on this is stupid.
SwordofOlympus
Banned
Fanboys trying so hard to convince themselves it's actually a really worthwhile investment and not an extremely overpriced pos by a company clearly taking advantage of their goodwill.
"Cerny said you need it"
"I'm not poor like the rest"
"inflation"
"Trading in your current PS5 makes the PRO a steal"
"30 fps and sub 4k murders your eyeballs"
"digital is the future anyway,you don't need a disc drive"
"You don't need a stand,you can be the stand"
Flashbacks of the Xbox fanboys defending the Xbox One.
Some of them even paraphrase Don Matrick in this very thread:
"If you can't afford a Pro there is a product for you, the base PS5".
SwordofOlympus
Banned
It is 2024, I play my PC games on my couch. I turn on my PC, it loads, I open Steam Big Picture Mode, select my game, and viola. This whole "convenience" argument against PC gaming is outdated.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
The difference is that the Xbox One is meant to replace Xbox 360, but PS5Pro is NOT meant to replace PS5. That is the entire point.
It was stupid when Don needed everyone to buy the new console, but Mark does NOT need you to buy a Pro. Because buying a Pro does not magically mean you pay more for PS5 games at all and thus it makes no difference to Sony which PS5 you actually USE.
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Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
I think he's just referring to the developers actually giving 60fps options, rather than just settling for 30fps because it makes their games look better.
SwordofOlympus
Banned
Yeah for sure, there is always something different when Sony does it.
XXL
Member
PCs are great and have many upsides.....but they aren't as convenient as consoles.
When problems happen on PC they are a fucking nightmare.
I've spent hours the last few days dealing with issues with Steam VR and PSVR 2.
In contrast, the PSVR 2 on PS5 literally took a few mins and I never had any issues ever.
PC are great in alot of ways, but they can be a pain in ass when things go wrong....and they will.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
It is called "being good at running a business".
If you really don't understand the difference, please don't start your own company with other people's money.
SwordofOlympus
Banned
How much is Sony paying you?
SenkiDala
Member
That's funny, because you wanted to say "voilà" which means "there it is" in French, but you said "viola", which means "raped" in French.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Oh, My God.
You are serious. You really think you are right and that Don and Mark are saying the same things. I thought you are just trolling?
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I am going to explain it to you like your are 5.
Don was trying to sell a console that is replacing an older machine, Don is suppose to make as many people switch as possible to grow the platform size.
Mark is trying to sell an optional upgrade for the current console. He doesn't need people to upgrade because they don't get more money out of Pro gamers than they do PS5 regular gamers, and the upgrade doesn't grow the platform, but there is a little money they can make from a one time sale per customer if they wanted to pay it. Mark also don't see the point of making the Pro cheaper because that premium price is the only reason the Pro is worth selling to begin with.
Get it?
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Senua
Member
Damn they finally got James
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SwordofOlympus
Banned
Yeah, which is what Sony is doing to your wallet if you buy this so-called premium product.
SwordofOlympus
Banned
Yes, I get the difference in circumstances, I was merely highlighting the irony of the message. Get it?
SwordofOlympus
Banned
I get it, but your point is a little weak considering the PSVR 2 is designed for the PS5. PC connectivity with the PCVR2 is a relatively new feature, so yes there will be some compatibility issues. Furthermore, VR is niche. I have never had a problem traditionally gaming on my PC as it has become so streamlined.
Edit: Not true, one time I couldn't get the textures to load in Quake 4 on my Legion Go. I figured it out after 5 minutes as the solution was posted on Steam.
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DeltaPolarBear
Member
There is no irony, the message is the same in both cases; "if you don't want this, keep using that."
The outcome for Don is he doomed his console. The outcome for Mark is that only those who wants it would buy the PS5Pro and Mark is perfectly fine with it.
SwordofOlympus
Banned
What about if not enough people "want it" and Sony doesn't get a return on their investment? Would Mark be happy with that?
yurinka
Member
He's the lead architect of their consoles and was announcing a console he designed. He wasn't the host of a State of Play/Showcase to show games.
They have enough AAA games and new IPs. For 2024 Sony has these AAA game releases for console:
- TLOU2 Remastered
- Helldivers 2
- Stellar Blade
- MLB
- Rise of the Ronin
- Concord
- Astro Bot
- Until Dawn Remake
- Lego Horizon Adventures
- Convallaria
- Lost Soul Aside
- Destiny 2 The Final Shape (a big expansion, not really a game but almost)
- 45.45% new IPs
- 36.36% new sequels or spinoffs
- 18.18% remaster/remakes
recursive
Member
I expect deep cuts before ps6 is released. Sony probably doesn't want to sell this at a loss.
cripterion
Member
Future games taxing the hardware uh? So that's why they've left the CPU untouched?
DeltaPolarBear
Member
What investment? It is just a minor upgrade and sold at a profit. Sony know full well who would pay for this and who would not. Mark would be happy with the sales.
SwordofOlympus
Banned
This has to be the stupidest take I have ever read. So Sony just conjured up the Pro out of thin air?