Really a good question and entering territory that I haven't heard much about
Thanks! And that is already a lot. Hopefully we will soon have some leaks about the Pro and it will move the discussion further. As for Xbox I suppose that we will learn about their plans soon enough. As long as there is no S/X strategy again I think that this console will find their fans like the One X did.
What would be the sense of spending R&D on a chip too do that? Especially with VRR.
To be fair, its the only reason as things currently stand, that would have me consider another Xbox console after my XSX experience.
Jump starting a next generation imo is an outdated concept that doesn't apply anymore in the current market.
One thing though PlayStation is able to sell PS5 at $499 while Xbox is having to drop the price of Series X to $349 & $399 which shows that the perceived value of Xbox Consoles are going down while PlayStation is being looked at as a more premium product. That could be a problem for Xbox Next when facing the PS5 pro if they can't bring the value of Xbox consoles back up in the next few years.
Lol. No.
If everything goes well maybe solid smooth stable 30 at 1440p native? Unlike ps5 base lol, ofc we all gonna jump on ps5pr0 coz fk playing brand new shiny gta6 at gimped resolution/framerate on base console
I just wonder what the price point would be, they haven't been able to make money on Series consoles yet as far as I know. Trying to get to twice the performance of the PS5 Pro would seemingly be pretty expensive especially if only a year later, costs don't seem to drop as quickly as they used to.
There is no point doing that because no game would fully use it, current hardware is barely used at full potential
Need more size to contain more power and heat, we all learned it durning dbz goku vs frieza arc back in the days, back then physics still aplied a bit to them
Don't forget that PS5 Pro is stuck with the CPU/Memory of the 2020 consoles so a new console generation could actually get 2X the performance in 2025 / 2026 without breaking the bank .
I mean no more 2 next gen consoles. Not ignoring the S/X. That would be the end of the Xbox brand.
Maybe this slide is actually MS plans at starting next Gen early.
HeisenbergFX4
has been saying for a loooong time now. That and I feel like the "RandomlyRandom" name sounds familiar. If this ends up being real is is a much better Pro console than PS4 Pro
Assuming you're disappointed about GPU specs (if true), that's because you don't understand what you're reading and likely only focusing on TF
A bit odd, but the TF and RT performance numbers are damn near the exact same thing
HeisenbergFX4
said? Could be wrong.
I just bought one of those. 1440p seems to be its sweet spot.
Same thing, just different architecture flop measures
PS4 Pro was a 2.2X leap. PS5 Pro will be a 40% leap if these rumors are true. I do not believe the target frequency is LESS than the base PS5. PS4 Pro received a 14% boost to clocks.
At a mimimum I would expect something similar..... 1.55x compute units times 1.14x frequency boost = 77% boost = 18 TFlops, which I think is what
I used to warn people this Pro will likely be in the 15 TF range with main focus on RT but people started running with this 20+ TFs thinking it would be a massive performance boost so I shut up about it
Existing information
New information:
- In July 2023, Tom Henderson reported that the PS5 Pro, "codenamed" Trinity, is currently in development. According to him it has 30WGPs, 18 gbps GDDR6, and is targeting a Nov 2024 release date. He also mentioned it has "accelerated ray tracing."
- Reliable hardware leaker "Kepler_L2" reported in July that AMD's codename for the SoC is "Viola."
- Both Trinity and Viola codenames follow the existing Shakespearean inspiration for codenames surrounding the latest Sony consoles. Viola is the protagonist in the Shakespeare play Twelfth Night, and Trinity references the Holy Trinity Church (Stratford-upon-Avon) where Shakespeare was baptized, married, and buried. But it also carries another meaning that we'll get to later.
- Kepler_L2 recently said the PS5 Pro's CPU upgrade is "rather small."
- (Let me know if I missed anything in terms of previously established rumors)
- Viola is fabbed on TSMC N4P.
- GFX1115
- Viola's CPU is maintaining the zen2 architecture found in the existing PS5 for compatibility, but the frequency will once again be dynamic with a peak of 4.4GHz. 64 KB of L1 cache per core, 512 KB of L2 cache per core, and 8 MB of L3 shared (4 MB per CCX).
- Viola's die is 30WGPs when fully enabled, but it will only have 28WGPs (56 CUs) enabled for the silicon in retail PS5 Pro units.
- Trinity is the culmination of three key technologies. Fast storage (hardware accelerated compression and decompression, already an existing key PS5 technology), accelerated ray tracing, and upscaling.
- Architecture is RDNA3, but it's taking ray tracing improvements from RDNA4. BVH traversal will be handled by dedicated RT hardware rather than fully relying on the shaders. It will also include thread reordering to reduce data and execution divergence, something akin to Ada Lovelace SER and Intel Arc's TSU.
- 3584 shaders, 224 TMUs, and 96 ROPs.
- 16GB of 18 gbps GDDR6. 256-bit memory bus with 576 GB/s memory bandwidth.
- The GPU frequency target is 2.0 GHz. This lands the dual-issue TFLOPs in the range of 28.67 TFLOPs peak (224 (TMUs) * 2 (operations, dual issue) * 2 (core clock)). 14.33 TFLOPs if we ignore the dual-issue factor.
- 50-60% rasterization uplift over Oberon and Oberon Plus, over twice the raw RT performance.
- XDNA2 NPU will be featured for the purpose of accelerating Sony's bespoke temporal machine learning upscaling technique. This will be one of the core focuses of the PS5 Pro, like we saw with checkboard rendering for the PS4 Pro. Temporally stable upscaled 4K output at higher than 30 FPS is the goal.
- September 2024 reveal
