Switch 2…a true next gen Switch or a Switch Pro?

Is the Switch 2 a true next gen Switch?

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delirium trigger said:
For me, Switch looks great in handheld, but the screen is too small. The docking feature is great, but everything looks like shit in docked mode.

I think the best thing Switch 2 has going for it is that it's powerful enough to look good on a tv. You're not gonna get next gen graphics but everything still looks good.

Having a 120 hz screen is also pretty awesome. I'd like to see Nintendo develop a solid fps game with simple graphics that performs really well.
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Wait wut?

"The docking feature is great, but everything looks like shit in docked mode"

then this ..

"I think the best thing Switch 2 has going for it is that it's powerful enough to look good on a tv"
 
Feel Like I'm On 42 said:
Wait wut?

"The docking feature is great, but everything looks like shit in docked mode"

then this ..

"I think the best thing Switch 2 has going for it is that it's powerful enough to look good on a tv"
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Yea, the Switch 2 won't look like ass in docked mode like the original Switch. That's a big positive for me.

As far as the feature goes, I've always been impressed with the ease of access with the dock...
 
After the chip reveal my thoughts havent changed.

If the switch 2 isnt a next gen switch than the ps5 isnt current gen either (both are roughly 7x faster than the prior models)
 
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lachesis said:
I voted no but with very wishy-washy coulda woulda shoulda mindset.

I mean, "generational leap" doesn't seem to matter anymore. Yes it looks prettier, but I rarely see "next generation" game design/play mechanics that's not just possible on previous gen.
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Compared to Switch 1…
 
Feel Like I'm On 42 said:
Wait wut?

"The docking feature is great, but everything looks like shit in docked mode"

then this ..

"I think the best thing Switch 2 has going for it is that it's powerful enough to look good on a tv"
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He's saying the first part about Switch 1. Switch 1's docked mode doesn't look that great when blown up on a TV (in his opinion)
 
LordOcidax said:
Compared to Switch 1…
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Other than better gfx and faster loading, only meaningful change imho is the mouse gimmick, which I don't know how well it would be implemented on many games, or how many will used them.
As hardware itself, as much as I like what I'm seeing - I'm not sure if it fundamentally enhance gaming mechanics that we play, or how we play games...
IMHO, unlike PC, I do think that's where the true generational leap exists.. at least 1/2 of the time - as the other half, depends on the games released on it.

Say, on NES to SNES, we got many more buttons to utilize, wide usage of S-Ram on cartridges, and bigger memory allowed more complex computational tasks in games.
N64 re-introduced and modernized analog control, and made games like Ocarina of Time, Mario 64 possible. Rumble pack also added a nice gimmick to enhance game experience.
Wii, even though it was just marginally better than GC, brought different ways to interact, and Switch brought hybrid function to mainstream.

Switch2, even though much more powerful - I am not sure what new things it can bring to the table.
Yes, games will be much more prettier and have higher resolution/frame rates, faster loading which I welcome... (and big 8" screen!) ..
but what kind of NEW, generation defining new experience can it bring, I am a bit doubtful - but I do hope it will... (as I preordered 2)

For example: Let's say I'm playing Xenoblade 4 on Switch2... but will the Switch2's hardware would enable, other than graphical enhancement, that's just not possible on Switch 1 at lower res & lower fps?
That's the type of thing that I'm doubting.

Gimmick or not - Nintendo has been always the forefront of innovation in many experimental things in new hardware - and I have to say Switch2 has been one of the most conservative, tame effort.
 
lachesis said:
Let's say I'm playing Xenoblade 4 on Switch2... but will the Switch2's hardware would enable, other than graphical enhancement, that's just not possible on Switch 1 at lower res & lower fps?
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Please be excited.
 
lachesis said:
Other than better gfx and faster loading, only meaningful change imho is the mouse gimmick, which I don't know how well it would be implemented on many games, or how many will used them.
As hardware itself, as much as I like what I'm seeing - I'm not sure if it fundamentally enhance gaming mechanics that we play, or how we play games...
IMHO, unlike PC, I do think that's where the true generational leap exists.. at least 1/2 of the time - as the other half, depends on the games released on it.

Say, on NES to SNES, we got many more buttons to utilize, wide usage of S-Ram on cartridges, and bigger memory allowed more complex computational tasks in games.
N64 re-introduced and modernized analog control, and made games like Ocarina of Time, Mario 64 possible. Rumble pack also added a nice gimmick to enhance game experience.
Wii, even though it was just marginally better than GC, brought different ways to interact, and Switch brought hybrid function to mainstream.

Switch2, even though much more powerful - I am not sure what new things it can bring to the table.
Yes, games will be much more prettier and have higher resolution/frame rates, faster loading which I welcome... (and big 8" screen!) ..
but what kind of NEW, generation defining new experience can it bring, I am a bit doubtful - but I do hope it will... (as I preordered 2)

For example: Let's say I'm playing Xenoblade 4 on Switch2... but will the Switch2's hardware would enable, other than graphical enhancement, that's just not possible on Switch 1 at lower res & lower fps?
That's the type of thing that I'm doubting.

Gimmick or not - Nintendo has been always the forefront of innovation in many experimental things in new hardware - and I have to say Switch2 has been one of the most conservative, tame effort.
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Switch 2 is indeed tame from a Nintendo innovation pov, that being said the mouse integration could be a big deal if properly utilized. I've wanted mouse to be included with consoles for a long time for a more widespread adoption by devs for stuff like strategy games and fps (though I don't want to play fps on a Switch). Aside from that though, there haven't been true innovation in consoles or PC for the longest time now, in fact, VR and the Switch' hybrid design are the biggest innovations that ai can think of. I wouldn't have minded some sort of dual screen function for Switch 2 as I always thought the Wii U controller was a great concept...but that wouldn't fit the sleek design of Switch.

Everyone was asking for another Switch from Nintendo and they've done that, with a 1080p handheld, hdr and VRR screen and dlss all big deals imo
 
SportsFan581 said:
They'll flip that around again with the new system. You know they will hit all of their biggest IPs with Switch 2 exclusives.
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Yeah should be obvious all of Nintendo's big teams have been working on Switch 2 stuff in secret past few years, as they should have.

Even so they've still put out several neat exclusives for Switch in its last years.

lachesis said:
Other than better gfx and faster loading, only meaningful change imho is the mouse gimmick, which I don't know how well it would be implemented on many games, or how many will used them.
As hardware itself, as much as I like what I'm seeing - I'm not sure if it fundamentally enhance gaming mechanics that we play, or how we play games...
IMHO, unlike PC, I do think that's where the true generational leap exists.. at least 1/2 of the time - as the other half, depends on the games released on it.

Say, on NES to SNES, we got many more buttons to utilize, wide usage of S-Ram on cartridges, and bigger memory allowed more complex computational tasks in games.
N64 re-introduced and modernized analog control, and made games like Ocarina of Time, Mario 64 possible. Rumble pack also added a nice gimmick to enhance game experience.
Wii, even though it was just marginally better than GC, brought different ways to interact, and Switch brought hybrid function to mainstream.
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Well the thing is, traditional gaming simply had a lot more room to grow back during the '80s and '90s. Everybody knew games were going to need more than two buttons and a d-pad, especially for 3D. Everyone knew games would need more than 8 MB of storage for data, and more processing power for more complex calculations, etc. So those developments were inevitable to help traditional gaming hit a "good enough" level at the floor.

Now, arguably, we've reached that point. You've got GTA6 with its level of graphics running captured w/ gameplay segments on a base PS5. You've got enough buttons, force feedback, and haptics for vast majority of games today. You've got more than enough storage for the biggest & most ambitious games one can design. You've got extremely powerful CPUs & GPUs that can handle extremely complex physics and logic systems, and surpluses of RAM in more cases than not.

The thing about PC and "generational leaps" is, it's a lot like arcades back in the day. Meaning that you may get a select game or two every few years that really pushes new specs at high level, but that experience is going to be out-of-reach for the vast majority of the market, and not seen across enough games, to really cement itself as a universal 'generational leap'. I'd say arcades were better in that respect because even through the mid '90s, there was enough money being made to incentivize more throughput of graphically-demanding games. That's how we got stuff like the Model 2 & Model 3 systems, System 22 & 23, etc. Like have we ever seen a frequency of advanced PC games to the level of when we got arcade stuff like Ridge Racer, Virtua Racing, Virtua Fighter, Virtua Fighter 2, Daytona USA, SEGA Rally, Virtua Fighter 3, Scud Race, Hang-On, Outrun, Street Fighter 3 etc. in the PC gaming space? What games are out there today really pushing the 5090 to its absolute limits? I can't think of a single one.

IMO the only hope we have to get genuine next-gen feeling advances in terms of the player experience, is with VR or, better yet, MR (Mixed Reality). It's a shame the VR market's kind of basically stalled since a few years ago, and companies like SIE have basically pulled out of further focus in that space. I think VR/AR (MR) could really take off IF it's part of the default experience with a major platform brand. It's why I was hoping the PS6 would have made some entry-level VR default as part of the experience, because you need a major platform to standardize a technology in order to get high adoption rates among customers & developers. PSVR didn't accomplish that and neither did PSVR2 (especially PSVR2), and Oculus just isn't nearly as big a gaming brand as PlayStation.

Ironically, the only hope I feel we have with that happening is Nintendo, but obviously not with Switch 2. Maybe whatever comes after Switch 2 could be what finally makes VR/AR (MR) mainstream and a standard more in the industry tailor design experiences towards.

lachesis said:
Switch2, even though much more powerful - I am not sure what new things it can bring to the table.
Yes, games will be much more prettier and have higher resolution/frame rates, faster loading which I welcome... (and big 8" screen!) ..
but what kind of NEW, generation defining new experience can it bring, I am a bit doubtful - but I do hope it will... (as I preordered 2)

For example: Let's say I'm playing Xenoblade 4 on Switch2... but will the Switch2's hardware would enable, other than graphical enhancement, that's just not possible on Switch 1 at lower res & lower fps?
That's the type of thing that I'm doubting.

Gimmick or not - Nintendo has been always the forefront of innovation in many experimental things in new hardware - and I have to say Switch2 has been one of the most conservative, tame effort.
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Well the thing with Nintendo is, they only really truly switch things up if the previous system was a commercial failure, OR they face significant competition and feel they need to stand out more. The former is how we got stuff like the Wii and the Switch; the latter is how we got stuff like SNES (Mode 7, Satellaview), N64 (analog sticks, 4-player couch gaming) and DS (two screens).

The Switch was insanely successful and the closest rival device type has sold six million units, COMBINED, over a period of 3 years. So either Switch 2 bombs (very unlikely), PC handhelds blow up in terms of market adoption (maybe? I mean they'll see some growth, but going from even 6 million/3 years to 50 million over 6-7 years will be a massive challenge, even if Valve does everything right (and Microsoft too, though they're already lagging behind Valve)), or both.

OR, that rumored PlayStation handheld takes off and also bolsters PS6 adoption rates. But that'll require PlayStation getting more of the types of games we've traditionally seen on Nintendo platforms, as PlayStation exclusives (or at least most of them being the case), and that's not the direction SIE seems to be trending these days. Plus, even if that were the case, it'd still be a gamble, because a lot of Switch's biggest-selling games are Nintendo's own IP, and those are never coming to a PlayStation.
 
LordOcidax said:
The diminishing returns in action… Same for the games.
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Yes, but also, we are rapidly approaching the end of Moore's law. So it's multilateral. The generational progress we're used to will soon no longer be a reality.

This is gonna be a huge problem for the industry. We're gonna need to have innovation outside of graphics to keep going. Either AI or something like the Wii. In order to maintain excitement and spending.

The easy way is over..
 
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Azelover said:
Yes, but also, we are rapidly approaching the end of Moore's law. So it's multilateral. The generational progress we're used to will soon no longer be a reality.

This is gonna be a huge problem for the industry. We're gonna need to have innovation outside of graphics to keep going. Either AI or something like the Wii. In order to maintain excitement and spending.

The easy way is over..
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If you want to see where things are headed, just look at what teens are playing these days and what they're playing on. They're playing games like REPO, Fortnite, Schedule I, etc. that can run on any decade old laptop.

I think a lot has already started to shift in the industry, but it's gone relatively unnoticed because the older generations are continuing to hold down the fort with their deeper pockets.
 
Azelover said:
Yes, but also, we are rapidly approaching the end of Moore's law. So it's multilateral. The generational progress we're used to will soon no longer be a reality.

This is gonna be a huge problem for the industry. We're gonna need to have innovation outside of graphics to keep going. Either AI or something like the Wii. In order to maintain excitement and spending.

The easy way is over..
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Moore's Law already ended, technically speaking. It's Dennard Scaling which is approaching an end. Only so small you can make transistors (or how closely you can pack them next to each other) before it just does nothing for performance or even harms performance.

At least with silicon-based chips and traditional processor types (operating on binary). Hence why there's been investments into graphene, and quantum computing.
 
LordOcidax said:
Based on what we know about the Switch 2, did you think is a true next Gen Switch or Switch Pro in terms of graphics?

Some people were doubtful about this…
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I've said this since day 1.

Nintendo conned all of you suckers.

This was indeed the rumored Switch Pro they had planned years ago as a mid life refresh.

They figured the masses of the world today are gullible sheep and would swallow anything you tell em.(They've convinced men that they are women🤦🏾‍♂️) What else would they not believe?

The so called switch 2 is not a next gen upgrade but actually the switch Pro renamed to Switch 2 in order to ravage your wallets...

Plain and Simple!
 
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Chu Fye said:
This was indeed the rumored Switch Pro they had planned years ago as a mid life refresh.
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They mid-life refreshed so much they changed all the internal components and the architecture of the system so all the original Nintendo Swicth games could not work unless sofware emulated 🤡 Man, Nintendo can't do a single think right. This company is a joke.
 
How much does a regular Switch cost nowadays?

I have a Switch Lite but I really just want a regular Switch for my television set. It doesn't have to be the second one.
 
Darkmakaimura said:
How much does a regular Switch cost nowadays?

I have a Switch Lite but I really just want a regular Switch for my television set. It doesn't have to be the second one.
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A regular Switch will cost you between $250-$300

$250 is usually reserved for the refurbished/previously owned units.

$300 is the going price for a regular (non-OLED) Switch.

For $150 more you might as well upgrade to Switch 2 at this point (esp considering it's BC)
 
Chu Fye said:
I've said this since day 1.

Nintendo conned all of you suckers.

This was indeed the rumored Switch Pro they had planned years ago as a mid life refresh.

They figured the masses of the world today are gullible sheep and would swallow anything you tell em.(They've convinced men that they are women🤦🏾‍♂️) What else would they not believe?

The so called switch 2 is not a next gen upgrade but actually the switch Pro renamed to Switch 2 in order to ravage your wallets...

Plain and Simple!
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better hold on to your head, your brain's falling out.

imagine thinking a system that has such a drastic hardware change, that they can't even guarantee full backwards compatibility, is a pro model.
 
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Darkmakaimura said:
How much does a regular Switch cost nowadays?

I have a Switch Lite but I really just want a regular Switch for my television set. It doesn't have to be the second one.
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If you only plan to keep it docked full time then you may want to look into a used model since prices should be about as low as they'll go right now.
 
kevboard said:
better hold on to your head, your brain's falling out.

imagine thinking a system that has such a drastic hardware change, that they can't even guarantee full backwards compatibility, is a pro model.
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Cope Harder ...

I know... It hurts ..

It's easier if you just accept that you're intellectually mediocre and You got Gotttt by Nintendo!

It's ok... You're not the only one who's a brain dead sheep . If that's some sort of consolation!🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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Chu Fye said:
Cope Harder ...

I know... It hurts ..

It's easier if you just accept that you're intellectually mediocre and You got Gotttt by Nintendo!

It's ok... You're not the only one who's a brain dead sheep . If that's some sort of consolation!🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Yes, it is only around 7x - 10x faster with DLSS. Real next gen systems are at least 20x or 30x faster. Looking forward to the PS6 delivering 7090 level performance for $499.
 
FireFly said:
Yes, it is only around 7x - 10x faster with DLSS. Real next gen systems are at least 20x or 30x faster. Looking forward to the PS6 delivering 7090 level performance for $499.
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Yeaaa Yea..Yeaaa....Blaaa Blaa Blaa.

Anything to cushion the realization that Nintendo Conned you Muppets..

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Chu Fye said:
Cope Harder ...

I know... It hurts ..

It's easier if you just accept that you're intellectually mediocre and You got Gotttt by Nintendo!

It's ok... You're not the only one who's a brain dead sheep . If that's some sort of consolation!🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I didn't think that someone can surpass Tom Sawyer, Sweetooth or Gamer79 here… Interesting.
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