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Tom Henderson: Marathon is so cooked. (Not just this but just everything I've heard).

12345666

Banned
This is what I think also. He sure managed to greatly capitalize on PS4 tail end and reputation to sell a lot of PS5s, but every decision regarding software has been disastrous and he set a very bad direction for the future of the ecosystem.
I was a primary Xbox gamer last gen, bought a Series X at launch. MS failed to deliver a lot of compelling games so I bought a PS5 last year and basically played catch up on all the PS4 and PS5 games that I missed, and there were a lot of them. And now that I've finished all the ones I ever wanted to play and I look towards the future, man it doesn't look good at all. Concord, Marathon, the cancelled TLOU online game, etc --- none of this is appealing to me. I specifically bought a PS5 because of their prestige 1st party single player games, and it seems like the brands best days are behind them if the near future is anything to go by.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Because it's an IP that retroactively accrued cachet amongst the Halo audience and now they're desperately trying to leverage it's name to make money.

Which doesn't make sense cause Marathon is a 30 year old Mac game that sold less than 200,000 copies back in the day. The IP doesn't mean anything to PC and console gamers, a remake or complete reboot of the IP won't flood the world of gaming with waves of nostalgia.

The original Marathon game was ported to PC and released on Steam a few months ago. The game sank without a trace (just like how Concord is doing right now)

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bender

What time is it?
3 billion always felt like a crazy number for Bungie to me but they seem to be the inverse of the gift that keeps on giving.
 

BossLackey

Gold Member
Which doesn't make sense cause Marathon is a 30 year old Mac game that sold less than 200,000 copies back in the day. The IP doesn't mean anything for PC and console gamers, a remake or complete reboot of the IP won't flood the world of gaming with waves of nostalgia.

The original Marathon game was ported to PC and released in Steam a few months ago. The game sank without a trace (just like how Concord is doing right now)

Oh it doesn't make sense. But that is the reason.
 

mdkirby

Gold Member
Across both gaming and film/tv we’ve been seeing some true master strokes in massive corporations seemingly competing with one another for who can piss away the most billions on doomed to fail overly expensive products, whilst being out classed by much smaller companies who keep knocking it out the park whilst spending way less and reaping all the rewards.

It’s pretty crazy really.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
I was a primary Xbox gamer last gen, bought a Series X at launch. MS failed to deliver a lot of compelling games so I bought a PS5 last year and basically played catch up on all the PS4 and PS5 games that I missed, and there were a lot of them. And now that I've finished all the ones I ever wanted to play and I look towards the future, man it doesn't look good at all. Concord, Marathon, the cancelled TLOU online game, etc --- none of this is appealing to me. I specifically bought a PS5 because of their prestige 1st party single player games, and it seems like the brands best days are behind them if the near future is anything to go by.

That's what longtime PS owners are feeling too. Well, at least there's Astrobot. And hopefully Sony will finally reveal their plans for the future once they officially announce the PS5 Pro. I mean, they've GOTTA announce big new first party games at some point?
 

Ceadeus

Gold Member
American greed is the worst thing to happen to Playstation.
I agree but also disagree, greed isn't just American. Just look at Genshin Impact. It's the only one at the top of my head but live services isn't exclusively American.

It's weird but, it makes me think about something else. How can Nintendo keep thriving from their legacy IP's by continuously rejuvenating the brand.

Then there is PlayStation, also continuously being more profitable but doing the complete opposite. They abandoned so many IP's. At such a fast and steady rate, it left us wondering what's their legacy?

Every legendary brand in the world have classics to commemorate what their brand is all about, the reason why they started or what helped them to start.
 

12345666

Banned
That's what longtime PS owners are feeling too. Well, at least there's Astrobot. And hopefully Sony will finally reveal their plans for the future once they officially announce the PS5 Pro. I mean, they've GOTTA announce big new first party games at some point?
Astro is going to be great and I am very much looking forward.

After that, far as I know anyway, there will be a Venom DLC similar to how Miles Morales was handled, Ghost of Tsushima sequel has to be 2+ years out at this point, same with anything ND is working on but haven't announced. Wolverine is next year I believe, and GG has confirmed they are working on Horizon 3. I think Sony Bend has a new IP in the works but I'm not sure what it is and I'm disappointed its not a Days Gone sequel.

I wonder how much of their output only looks bleak moving forward because of how little the announce stuff in advance now. Seems like TLOU 2 and Ghosts were announced something like 3 years out. I prefer that for what its worth.
 
I agree but also disagree, greed isn't just American. Just look at Genshin Impact. It's the only one at the top of my head but live services isn't exclusively American.

And the success of that game and that company has literally zero correlation to whatever Sony is pursuing right now. Actually it goes in the opposite direction and succeeds because it doesn't pull off any of the bullshit of Western GaaS.

Bungie is a rotten apple without any redeeming qualities.

Haven, Bungie, MM, Neon Koei, Bend... all these need to go. And Hermen with them.
 

nikos

Member
Because the company wasted time and money on this stuff. And could had used all those resources to make better games, including trying an existing modern IP instead brand new unknown stuff like Concord, or 30 year old franchses like Marathon most gamers never heard of before because the first game was on Mac.

Time and money has been spent on game development forever. Games back in the day failed all the time and once they were out in a failed state, that was it.

Companies have a much better chance of saving a game now. Especially if they can sustain income via cosmetics or whatnot to stay afloat until they figure things out.

Regarding IPs, everybody will their own opinion on what should be released. Some want sequels, some want something new, etc. I don't think GAAS has anything to do with that.
 

Wildebeest

Member
The original Marathon game was ported to PC and released on Steam a few months ago. The game sank without a trace (just like how Concord is doing right now)
Bungie released source code for Marathon way back in 2000. This isn't a new thing at all. But for sure there has never been as much interest in Marathon as there was for Doom or Duke. Although some people were fanatical about it and its fiction in a way that you rarely see.
 
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Msamy

Member
I really like to see sony dogs defend playstation shit managers this gen just fu.. Jim ryan and hulst, hoped that peoples like shawn lydan and andrew house are still there.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Astro is going to be great and I am very much looking forward.

After that, far as I know anyway, there will be a Venom DLC similar to how Miles Morales was handled, Ghost of Tsushima sequel has to be 2+ years out at this point, same with anything ND is working on but haven't announced. Wolverine is next year I believe, and GG has confirmed they are working on Horizon 3. I think Sony Bend has a new IP in the works but I'm not sure what it is and I'm disappointed its not a Days Gone sequel.

I wonder how much of their output only looks bleak moving forward because of how little the announce stuff in advance now. Seems like TLOU 2 and Ghosts were announced something like 3 years out. I prefer that for what its worth.

The first GoT game came out in July 2020, so with a five year development period the sequel could come out late next year. Sucker Punch did release GoT DLC and a online expansion too, but my guess is that these additions to the game didn't have the entire studio working on them and everyone must have been working on GoT 2 since 2021.

Same goes for Naughty Dog, their last game was released in June 2020, so they also have had nothing new to show for them. I believe ND has at least two internal teams, so even when one team wasted years of development time on Factions, another team must have been working on a new single player game.
 
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larrybrady

Member
Cooked sounds terrible,it just gets worse . .. .. ..Bungie cut 200+ devs/employees last month,and then Sony took 150+ of them back and made a separate new team with them,what is that new team making,even more gaas?
 

clarky

Gold Member
Cancel Marathon. Shut down Destiny 2. Cancel Destiny 3.

Go back and make real games with a story campaign and a proper multiplayer mode. This shouldnt be that hard. If chinese developers can do it on the first try then Bungie can go back to their roots as well.
Cancel everything they have in development and start from scratch whilst also cutting off any revenue they have comming in?

Good one, hire this man.
 

DeaDPo0L84

Member
As a fan of Destiny I feel like Bungie hitting absolute rock bottom and being taken over by Sony is the only thing that will save them. They also need to solely focus on Destiny and hopefully release a completely new game once the new consoles are out. As an IP it's still very strong in the live service space but it has nothing to offer new players and that's what they need to be focusing on moving forward.
 

Quantum253

Gold Member
I watched a video on Destiny since I've been out around D2 launch. Seems to have become a microtransaction nightmare. I assume Marathon will follow the same systems
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I believe they already have, Sony HQ are not happy with the PS division that much is apparent. Going forward funding will be drastically reduced after what can only be described as disaster after disaster.

This is a lie! He was not happy with BUNGIE! It wasn't the whole PS division. Overall PS is doing good.
 

Holammer

Member
- Concord = a massive flop, higher than Redfall or Suicide Squad;
- Fairgame = looks like shit;
- Marathon = probably their best chance in this gaas delusion, but aparently is another piece of shit.

At this point seems better for Sony just shut down everything and come back to what they are good.
Payday 2 was a monster hit, so I think Fairgame can be saved and become profitable. Rename it, rip out the Eat the Rich theme and redesign the player characters as grizzled career criminals or super villain goons instead of brainrot youth with the smarmy Ubisoft/Fortnite look.
 
The original Marathon game was ported to PC and released on Steam a few months ago. The game sank without a trace (just like how Concord is doing right now)
It's been available on PC forever at this point, Bungie released the source code like 20 years ago and someone promptly ported all three games over. There's a somewhat active community (you can even find multiplayer matches), but almost nobody uses the Steam release.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
I don't think this is that far off now the way the Americans have been mishandling the Playstation division

At some point Japan will wonder what the fuck these stupid Americans are doing, Concord is probably going to lose them minimum $100M plus whatever it cost to acquire Firewalk

Kaz will save us ✨
 

Fbh

Member
There is still time to get the Concord character designer on board.
I've heard intestine themed designs are all the rage in online shooters right now.

That's what longtime PS owners are feeling too. Well, at least there's Astrobot. And hopefully Sony will finally reveal their plans for the future once they officially announce the PS5 Pro. I mean, they've GOTTA announce big new first party games at some point?

Do they though? that's the sad part.
Right now they have little to no competition. Xbox is basically dead and the switch is old and isn't getting most big third party releases.
Ps5 is sort of the default home console at the moment

And next year is GTA year, which isn't even coming to PC at launch. Sony could probably release no games next year and they'll still sell a ton of consoles with GTA alone.
 
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Deleted member 848825

Unconfirmed Member
Do you guys think it's still on track for 2025?
Maybe the real question is, does anyone care?
I was a primary Xbox gamer last gen, bought a Series X at launch. MS failed to deliver a lot of compelling games so I bought a PS5 last year and basically played catch up on all the PS4 and PS5 games that I missed, and there were a lot of them. And now that I've finished all the ones I ever wanted to play and I look towards the future, man it doesn't look good at all. Concord, Marathon, the cancelled TLOU online game, etc --- none of this is appealing to me. I specifically bought a PS5 because of their prestige 1st party single player games, and it seems like the brands best days are behind them if the near future is anything to go by.
No GIF

I wouldn't be so quick to right them off. Their single player studios will still be focused on single player (including ND), I have no doubt. For me its more the best is yet to come for this gen. Just let the burning ships sail on by.
 
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