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[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Think back to around 20 years ago or close to it, all the fun us bros were having with Halo, especially 2 and 3, did you ever think 20 years later or even less than Bungie would be so turbo fucked? Feels just not right, right? Didn't you assume a new Bungie game to be hyped for would just always be a thing for the rest of your life?

Things like Playstation and Bungie felt immortal 20 years ago, now they feel very close to simply folding altogether, feels very artificial and astroturfed we would wind up here instead and there's two things that have fucked the gaming industry the ass raw, one is pure, unrepentant and immoral greed, the other ironically is communist political activists showing up and hijacking the creative direction of things.

GAAS sucks shit and I'll tell you why, you have to be there day 1 or you basically can never play something, I was interested in Destiny but procrastinated on it, after a point there was too many timed events and just... too... much shit that I can literally never go back and jump right into it now.

We're getting the worst of both worlds, the extremes of greedy capitalism and ironically the shittiness of communism, ensuring you'll pay out the ass and what you'll get will be lame and stupid.

Things have got to change very drastically or the coming crash will make these assholes in charge heads' spin.

Uncharted Legacy of Thieves Collection
Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart
Returnal
Sackboy

Flopped so hard on PC.

PlayStation really need to refocus on their core audience and start announcing games; they've been so focused on gaas and PC lately.

Ratchet flopped because the story came out about the Woke sperg on the development team being a sperg, that kills all enthusiasm.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Live service is a cancer and modern Bungie is an embarrassment

 

[mckmas8808]

Astrobot on PC, the new guys are even worse.

I do think that would be a bad move too.

 

[Physiognomonics]

It would be REALLY stupid if they put their games day one on PS/PC they will basically kill their console.
Xbox has done it, so PlayStation should learn from their mistake.

I dunno. they have being copying pretty much everything MS has done those last years (services, GAAS, PC ports) even when it was obvious it was an obvious failure for MS. The only reason MS can do this is because they have trillions of dollars in the bank. I still don't understand why Sony are doing this. It doesn't work, they are killing their brand and pushing their consumers to invest into a gaming PC + Steam. STUPID.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I dunno. they have being copying pretty much everything MS has done those last years (services, GAAS, PC ports) even when it was obvious it was an obvious failure for MS.

Uh?

Gaas wise Microsoft is doing pretty well with Sea of Thieves, Grounded. Bethesda’s recent addition is already a bunch of cards dealt before Microsoft would have any input and they got Red Fall as a flop but it’s countered massively by Elder scrolls online and recently even Fallout 76 got a huge raise due to the show.

Microsoft’s gaas are mainly old projects and to me it seems their focus is way more on single player games

1. Avowed
2. Indiana Jones and the Great Circle
3. Doom: The Dark Ages
4. Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024
5. Age of Mythology: Retold
6. South of Midnight
7. Perfect Dark
8. Clockwork Revolution
9. Project Mara
10. Gears of War: E-Day
11. Fable
12. Everwild
13. Call of Duty: Black Ops 6
14. Marvel's Blade
15. State of Decay 3
16. Outer Worlds 2
17. Elder Scrolls VI

What is even gaas there? There might be one for the more obscure projects but I don’t see one.

 

[digital_ghost]

Hell's horses, what is that!

I told them kids not to do Mary Jane.

Drugs are bad kids. And so is sex with a Bimbo who looks like Jimbo.

 

[DryvBy]

Honestly this recently explosion of GaaS games turning the companies from profit to scrapping is perfect. Games wouldn't look half as expensive if you actually sold a finished game before you worked on a gamble of "6 months down the line" service title.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Honestly this recently explosion of GaaS games turning the companies from profit to scrapping is perfect. Games wouldn't look half as expensive if you actually sold a finished game before you worked on a gamble of "6 months down the line" service title.

The funny thing is gaming is a heavily digital serviced industry. Ya, you get some console disc copies too, but it's mostly digital, and PC/mobile is entirely digital.

You'd think with it being easy to make games available when it's completely finished, they'd manage their timelines, budget and release dates more effectively. Gaming is blessed as digital games can be released anytime, and game discs/media can adjust on store shelves at any time.

It's not like other physical products where you got actual manufacturing, shipping, warehousing, store set ups etc.... to do. And most stores have distinct aisle set up timelines (planogram adjustment dates) for non-media products. If you miss shipping a product, you might not a get a chance until next year. Some stores have twice a year set up times. But some are flexible and will do it anytime. but the larger stores trend to specific time of the year.

Somehow any company making anything from brand new lawn mowers to bicycles to antacid pills can figure out how to make and ship from overseas complete products on time to satisfy rigid dates or seasonal timelines. But gaming often cant with delays and buggy products as they'd rather take advantage of itchy gamers willing to preorder and buy incomplete games.

Thats video game companies for ya.

 

[Johnny Concrete]

Let them cook. It’s not a sprint, it’s a …

 

[Kotaro]

Bungie purchase I think is one of Sony's biggest mistake in gaming

 

[DenchDeckard]

Sony taking L after L here. Got skanked by Bungie, fell for the bullshit firewalk were selling too.

The studio they didn't get and their only massive culture shattering game for the last few years was helldivers 2 and that's because of pc.

Crazy times.

 

[diffusionx]

Uncharted Legacy of Thieves Collection
Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart
Returnal
Sackboy

Flopped so hard on PC.

PlayStation really need to refocus on their core audience and start announcing games; they've been so focused on gaas and PC lately.

It's been a while since I looked at it but I don't think the PC initiative is as successful as they wanted it to be. After God of War, none of the games seem to have done that great, and TLOU2 was one of the worst PC ports and widely mocked until they fixed it. I guess the next one is Ragnarok, it will be interesting to see how it does but if it underperforms I really think it is time to rethink this entire plan and strategy they have.

 

[Gaiff]

Uncharted Legacy of Thieves Collection
Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart
Returnal
Sackboy

Flopped so hard on PC.

And you know this how?

 

[Gaiff]

It's been a while since I looked at it but I don't think the PC initiative is as successful as they wanted it to be. After God of War, none of the games seem to have done that great, and TLOU2 was one of the worst PC ports and widely mocked until they fixed it. I guess the next one is Ragnarok, it will be interesting to see how it does but if it underperforms I really think it is time to rethink this entire plan and strategy they have.

Spider-Man, Miles Morales, and Ghost of Tsushima all did good launch numbers. Ghost of Tsushima peaked higher than God of War.

Your inner fanboy may want them to stop porting games to PC so you can feel special again, but they ain’t stopping.

 

[IllegalLemon]

The game itself was fucked right from the start, because Bungie didn't have a clear direction for it to begin with and it all starts and ends with upper management at Bungie. The project seems to have been improperly managed right from the start. Aim for sky high expectations and ambitions and eventually after failing to meet them one too many times, it all comes crushing down. You try to massively downscale, but at that point, the ship has already sailed.

 

[Rudius]

i don't understand the concept of Marathon, neither the move to launch multiple similar GaaS games from Sony.
it feels like they are throwing shit on the wall and waiting for the one to stick.

I just hope they all fail.

 

[Rudius]

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Spider-Man, Miles Morales, and Ghost of Tsushima all did good launch numbers. Ghost of Tsushima peaked higher than God of War.

Your inner fanboy may want them to stop porting games to PC so you can feel special again, but they ain’t stopping.

I second that for Nintendo. Why must one resort to emulation when native PC ports would do much better? Everything can run their most demanding game, so why not just provide?

 

[Gaiff]

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I second that for Nintendo. Why must one resort to emulation when native PC ports would do much better? Everything can run their most demanding game, so why not just provide?

Because Nintendo isn't worried about recouping the budget of $200M+ productions.

 

[Rudius]

Because Nintendo isn't worried about recouping the budget of $200M+ productions.

They can aways make more money.

 

[hinch7]

No wonder Sony is going ham on Bungie. What a disaster of a purchase.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Delay it and give it a SP campaign

This!

It should have been a co-op PvE game primarily with MP PvP modes like Destiny 2.

After years and years of neglect of Destiny 2 MP PvP, the idea that Bungie could create an exclusively MP PvP blockbuster was pretty absurd. They're not the same studio who made Halo 3 and they haven't been for a very long time.

Spoiler

The corporate knitting lessons are clear evidence of that.

 

[diffusionx]

Spider-Man, Miles Morales, and Ghost of Tsushima all did good launch numbers. Ghost of Tsushima peaked higher than God of War.

Your inner fanboy may want them to stop porting games to PC so you can feel special again, but they ain’t stopping.

When their gaming business falls apart because they devalued their hardware, the way it did for Microsoft, don't say they weren't warned.

There is a reason why Apple makes all their stuff work better on iOS. It's stupid to cheapen your primary brand and business to chase short term profits. Nintendo seems to understand this.

 

[Gaiff]

When their gaming business falls apart because they devalued their hardware, the way it did for Microsoft, don't say they weren't warned.

There is a reason why Apple makes all their stuff work better on iOS. It's stupid to cheapen your primary brand and business to chase short term profits. Nintendo seems to understand this.

None of that is happening to Sony, so keep coping and hoping. PC ports ain’t stopping.

 

[diffusionx]

None of that is happening to Sony, so keep coping and hoping. PC ports ain’t stopping.

It is happening though.

For some reason they think it's better to be a small fish in a big pond than to own the pond. Like I said, Nintendo understands this.

 

[Gaiff]

It is happening though.

For some reason they think it's better to be a small fish in a big pond than to own the pond. Like I said, Nintendo understands this.

Nope. They’re posting record profits and making more money than ever before. You may think the business is going under because of PC ports, but the reality without your fanboy goggles is quite different. Sony is thriving and doubling down on the PC ports.

 

[RedC]

I dunno. they have being copying pretty much everything MS has done those last years (services, GAAS, PC ports) even when it was obvious it was an obvious failure for MS. The only reason MS can do this is because they have trillions of dollars in the bank. I still don't understand why Sony are doing this. It doesn't work, they are killing their brand and pushing their consumers to invest into a gaming PC + Steam. STUPID.

It's because the console market has stagnated for years, and Sony is trying to grow and maximize revenue in additional ways.

 

[diffusionx]

Nope. They’re posting record profits and making more money than ever before. You may think the business is going under because of PC ports, but the reality without your fanboy goggles is quite different. Sony is thriving and doubling down on the PC ports.

Yea, like I said, they're chasing short term profits at the cost of the long term structure of their business. I don't know why you keep pointing to short term profits when I literally said they generate short term profits and look good in the moment. These sorts of short term moves are super common in American business, unfortunately, so maybe it's not surprising now that Sony gaming is run out of California. These moves are like pawning your laptop to pay your rent. It solves a problem you have right now but leaves you worse off in the future. It's not about coping and seething, it's about the value of a business they built up over 30 years. They built a business based around great games on a platform they control, where a platform being one of the most valuable things you can have. Then they turn around and hand that off to someone else for some quick cash. The games do not have the value on PC that they do on PlayStation. They are devaluing their brand for some immediate profits. It's a mistake.

 

[RedC]

Yea, like I said, they're chasing short term profits at the cost of the long term structure of their business. I don't know why you keep pointing to short term profits when I literally said they generate short term profits and look good in the moment. These sorts of short term moves are super common in American business, unfortunately, so maybe it's not surprising now that Sony gaming is run out of California. These moves are like pawning your laptop to pay your rent. It solves a problem you have right now but leaves you worse off in the future. It's not about coping and seething, it's about the value of a business they built up over 30 years. They built a business based around great games on a platform they control, where a platform being one of the most valuable things you can have. Then they turn around and hand that off to someone else for some quick cash. The games do not have the value on PC that they do on PlayStation. They are devaluing their brand for some immediate profits. It's a mistake.

It's a balance and Sony is still experimenting maintaining the value of Playstation to console fans while maximizing potential revenue of a game's lifespan to PC.

 

[Katatonic]

Exzpect every multiplayer effort to be torn apart. Gotta protect COD and that 80 billion investment.

 

[Gaiff]

Yea, like I said, they're chasing short term profits at the cost of the long term structure of their business. I don't know why you keep pointing to short term profits when I literally said they generate short term profits and look good in the moment. These sorts of short term moves are super common in American business, unfortunately, so maybe it's not surprising now that Sony gaming is run out of California. These moves are like pawning your laptop to pay your rent. It solves a problem you have right now but leaves you worse off in the future. It's not about coping and seething, it's about the value of a business they built up over 30 years.

That's just fanboy drivel. The reality of the market has changed and the PC market is 10x the size from what it was 30 years ago. Sony's games often exceed $100M in budget and you want them to just sit on their ass and let hundreds of millions of dollars ripe for the taking disappear into the wind? The pawning example is such a moronic statement. Will Sony customers suddenly stop buying Sony-produced games because they're on PC now? They started the PC initiative 4 years ago. Your dream of it failing so they can go back to treating you like a special child isn't happening.

They built a business based around great games on a platform they control, where a platform being one of the most valuable things you can have. Then they turn around and hand that off to someone else for some quick cash.

Huh, yeah, and last I checked, they still control the PlayStation platform and it's doing great.

The games do not have the value on PC that they do on PlayStation. They are devaluing their brand for some immediate profits. It's a mistake.

More fanboy nonsense. No one in the real world gives a shit about any of this. All people care about is that Sony gives them games. The console people will remain on console and the PC people will remain on PC. For every PlayStation customer who says they don't need the console because they'll get the game on PC 2 years later, Sony will sell another 10 copies on PC. The trade-off is worth it. Console sales have largely stagnated over the past decade and a half and Sony needs to grow their business. They see PC as a profitable venture and they'd be foolish not to. Look at how many different publishers are flocking to the platform when 5 years ago, some didn't even know people gamed on PC.

All your talking points reek of fanboy entitlement. You're upset because Sony games are no longer exclusive to the PS platform and want things to go back to the way they were so only your favorite plastic box has those games. Newsflash, most of the world couldn't give a damn about that. Sony's business will continue thriving on consoles and will do well on PC.

 

[diffusionx]

For every PlayStation customer who says they don't need the console because they'll get the game on PC 2 years later, Sony will sell another 10 copies on PC.

This just isn't true, when games that did well on PS flopped on PC. We've seen this several times.

Like, if anything, the reverse is true. If you say "I don't need a PlayStation because I can get the game on PC", you get a PC, you load up Steam, and you forget about Spiderman 3 when it comes out because you're too busy playing Sex with Hitler 5 or whatever. Or you skip TLOU3 because it's a really bad port and getting made fun of everywhere and by the time they fix it you moved on. Like I said, it's about being a small fish in a big pond fighting with the 23490898235092572893575298 other games on the platform for recognition vs. controlling the platform and setting the tone for what is on it. There's value in controlling a platform and that's just how it is.

The one example I always think of is when Nintendo sold like 8 million copies of Mario Kart 8... On the Wii U. They sold like 14 million Wii Us. That's the value of being a platform holder and it's just idiotic to give it up to chase profits.

You can keep calling me a fanboy, it's not going to change reality.

 

[Gaiff]

This just isn't true, when games that did well on PS flopped on PC. We've seen this several times.

Yes it is. Spider-Man 2, GOWR, and HFW all did as well or better than their predecessors despite coming out to PC later. Everyone knew GOWR would eventually be ported to PC, yet it destroyed the numbers of 2018. Same for Spider-Man.

SNIP

More crying from you because you’re mad that PC players are playing your games. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

The reality is that the strategy is paying off and you think you have some foresight that will prove you correct when you’ve been wrong for 4 years and counting. Yes, I will keep calling you a fanboy because it’s so blatant you’re not arguing with facts but with your feelings.

Sony will be fine.

 

[diffusionx]

Yes it is. Spider-Man 2, GOWR, and HFW all did as well or better than their predecessors despite coming out to PC later. Everyone knew GOWR would eventually be ported to PC, yet it destroyed the numbers of 2018. Same for Spider-Man.

More crying from you because you’re mad that PC players are playing your games. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

You seem to be just too low IQ to see beyond the immediate short term profits. Hulst would probably like you.

 

[Gaiff]

You seem to be just too low IQ to see beyond the immediate short term profits. Hulst would probably like you.

Sure, call the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation low IQ while you’re here posting on Gaf crying about losing your special treatment.

The irony is palpable.

 

[hemo memo]

GaaS project failing is music to my ears.

 

[Schmendrick]

You seem to be just too low IQ to see beyond the immediate short term profits. Hulst would probably like you.

"immediate", "short term"....when this has been going on since mid ps4 era with increasing success.....
and here you are claiming that the sky is red.

 

[Gaiff]

"immediate", "short term"....when this has been going on since mid ps4 era with increasing success.....
and here you are claiming that the sky is red.

End of the PS4 era, but the point still stands.

"Devaluing their brand" how? Will people stop buying PlayStation consoles and games because they’re ported to PC 1-2 years later?

"Short-term profits" huh, so it’s been working for 4 years but would suddenly start hurting them in 10 years why?

The funniest part is these people act like they’re objective when the reason they’re upset is so transparent.

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

When their gaming business falls apart because they devalued their hardware, the way it did for Microsoft, don't say they weren't warned.

There is a reason why Apple makes all their stuff work better on iOS. It's stupid to cheapen your primary brand and business to chase short term profits. Nintendo seems to understand this.

imagine if the cost of hardware will not go down and dev time will only increase. Maybe the judge in the act/bliz case was right when telling Sony; if Nintendo can do it why not you?

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I love this.

 

[Generic]

I hope TLOU2 MP, Conconrd, and this would wake up Sony and let them return to do what their fan base have been enjoying and cherishing.

Third-person, cinematic story-driven games with no multiplayer?