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[PBY]

Ok, and which of these sets of sanctions do you accept scaling back or lifting in order to strike a temporary ceasefire in Syria?

I would be okay with scaling back some of the hacking sanctions to literally save thousands of lives in Syria. Those can always be reinstated.

 

[kirblar]

I would be okay with scaling back some of the hacking sanctions to literally save thousands of lives in Syria. Those can always be reinstated.

And those lives in Ukraine when Putin decides to invade the rest of it because we gave the mouse some milk?

 

[BlastProcessing]

This is neither a reasonable nor a productive solution.

But once we take sanctions off the table, something like that is what's next in line. Sound good to you?

 

[PBY]

And those lives in Ukraine when Putin decides to invade the rest of it because we gave the mouse some milk?

Scaling back hacking sanctions isn't going to change Russia's stance on Ukraine.

 

[kirblar]

Scaling back hacking sanctions aren't going to change Russia's stance on Ukraine.

So your stance is "we shouldn't do anything, because they're going to do what they want anyway."

Congratulations on being able to stand for nothing.

 

[smokeymicpot]

Tillerson tells reporters Trump and Putin did discuss concern about "Russian interference" in last year's election adding "Putin denied" it.

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/883376120091090944

Wrap it up folks its over.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Scaling back hacking sanctions aren't going to change Russia's stance on Ukraine.

So showing Russia that they can maliciously attack sovereign nations with no repercussions won't effect their actions in Ukraine?

 

[chadskin]

I would be okay with scaling back some of the hacking sanctions to literally save thousands of lives in Syria. Those can always be reinstated.

Sure, let's reward the dictator. They'll come right back in 2018/20.

 

[PBY]

So your stance is "we shouldn't do anything, because they're going to do what they want anyway."

Congratulations on being able to stand for nothing.

We already have sanctions in place for the Ukraine though? Along with the EU and other allies. I'm not talking about those?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Scaling back hacking sanctions isn't going to change Russia's stance on Ukraine.

Not overnight, but make it painful enough that it will curb future consideration.

 

[Resident_UA]

We already have sanctions in place for the Ukraine though? Along with the EU and other allies. I'm not talking about those?

Which ones you are talking about? Just the latest that Obama passed and that's it? I doubt that Putin will agree to that... Those were very minor... But I guess I can see your argument in this case. Still would look very bad, but at least financially it will not really make a difference...

 

[chadskin]

Lavrov claims Trump told Putin he had heard his entreaties that Russia did not hack the election and accepts them.

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/883377103626002437

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[~Kinggi~]

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/883377103626002437

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the next election is so fucked

 

[smokeymicpot]

Lavrov: #Trump said he accepted statements from #Putin that #Russia had not hacked election.

https://twitter.com/NeilMacFarquhar/status/883376956322062336

 

[tuxfool]

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/883377103626002437

........

hahahaha

 

[Resident_UA]

Tillerson tells reporters Trump and Putin did discuss concern about "Russian interference" in last year's election adding "Putin denied" it.

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/883376120091090944

Wrap it up folks its over.

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/883377103626002437

........

Problem solved! Nothing to see here. We should let Trump investigate all accusations this way!

 

[kirblar]

Leaks gonna start up again.

 

[Fenderputty]

PBY: Strong against weak Dems. Weak against strong Russian.

 

[Blader]

I would be okay with scaling back some of the hacking sanctions to literally save thousands of lives in Syria. Those can always be reinstated.

But didn't you say those hacking sanctions were too weak (literally "blame Obama")? Why reinstate admittedly weak sanctions? And why would you trust Donald Trump, who denies there was any election hacking to begin with, to reinstate those sanctions?

Let's be real: you don't actually believe Putin was behind the DNC and Podesta hacks, do you?

 

[Prof. Bathtub]

BUTUTU BBTBTUT the Republicans were deeply troubled and next time it could be them!

"NOTHING LEAVES THIS ROOM KEEP IT IN THE FAMIL- hahaha just kidding everybody!"

 

[Dominican Power]

Can MSNBC stop covering the protests in Hamburg? It's not that fucking serious. It's known that protests happen very frequently over there.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Sorry, man, I can't support this cold war with Russia. It's de-escalation across the board, this totally seems in line with something that Obama would have done btw.

Fully on board, we don't even know what we gave up, if anything.

Man, you're going full Charlie Brown with this, huh?

 

[PBY]

But didn't you say those hacking sanctions were too weak (literally "blame Obama")? Why reinstate admittedly weak sanctions? And why would you trust Donald Trump, who denies there was any election hacking to begin with, to reinstate those sanctions?

Let's be real: you don't actually believe Putin was behind the DNC and Podesta hacks, do you?

Wtf? I'm not defending Russia, I do think they were behind the DNC and Podesta hacks... Fairly sure we have good reporting on that.

 

[Resident_UA]

Can MSNBC stop covering the protests in Hamburg? It's not that fucking serious. It's known that protests happen very frequently over there.

It's better than playing stupid things that Trump says on the loop like CNN does...

 

[kirblar]

Wtf? I'm not defending Russia, I do think they were behind the DNC and Podesta hacks... Fairly sure we have good reporting on that.

Then why are you treating a cyber attack as different than any other sort of attack?

The instant our election was done they started up in France and Germany!

 

[Plinko]

Leaks gonna start up again.

Yep. No way the IC sits idly as this happens.

 

[Blader]

Wtf? I'm not defending Russia, I do think they were behind the DNC and Podesta hacks... Fairly sure we have good reporting on that.

You've couched it many times just today alone with statements like "tried to interfere" and "the influence, if any, is unclear," which are not that far removed from White House talking points.

They didn't try to interfere, they DID interfere, and the influence of that interference has been plainly clear for some time now.

Now can you answer the rest of what I asked:

But didn't you say those hacking sanctions were too weak (literally "blame Obama")? Why reinstate admittedly weak sanctions? And why would you trust Donald Trump, who denies there was any election hacking to begin with, to reinstate those sanctions?

 

[Diablos]

I miss President Obama. Tremendously.

 

[Owzers]

Problem solved! Nothing to see here. We should let Trump investigate all accusations this way!

CNN talking about how trump pressed putin on election meddling. Would be funny if he pressed him then accepted no.

 

[Autodidact]

I miss President Obama. Tremendously.

Bigly.

At least we can look forward to some quality oppo again.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Russia Today is a banned source? Idk about that.

If Putin's propaganda network isn't a banned source, what should be?

 

[PBY]

You've couched it many times just today alone with statements like "tried to interfere" and "the influence, if any, is unclear," which are not that far removed from White House talking points.

They didn't try to interfere, they DID interfere, and the influence of that interference has been plainly clear for some time now.

Now can you answer the rest of what I asked:

They did interfere, however, to what extent their influence affected the outcome is unclear. That is reported, documented fact. Not sure how you can dispute this?

As to your question, those sanctions are apparently too weak if Russia continues to hack other nations and we're still very concerned about our future elections. Accordingly, if they're not solving the problem, why not negotiate these to save thousands of lives in Syria.

While I would be wary of this outcome, if the above doesn't work, you can always reinstate these sanctions and make them more stringent.

This seems fairly reasonable to me.

 

[tbm24]

Lavrov: #Trump said he accepted statements from #Putin that #Russia had not hacked election.

https://twitter.com/NeilMacFarquhar/status/883376956322062336

That's fucking amazing, and to think the press was just starting to give him credit.

 

[RumbleHumble]

Wtf? I'm not defending Russia, I do think they were behind the DNC and Podesta hacks... Fairly sure we have good reporting on that.

While I understand that, at the same time we have zero reason to trust Putin on anything, multiple reasons to never trust Putin on any supposed "ceasefire", and many reasons to continue sanctions (and/or escalating sanctions) against Russia. A trade of even temporary removal of sanctions for the purposes of a ceasefire in Russia is short-sited in that it will likely not decrease fatalities (because it probably won't actually be a cease-fire) while increasing fatalities in our own countries through continued Russian escalation.

Working with Russia isn't really an option anymore so long as Putin is in control.

 

[chadskin]

According to Lavrov, Trump told Putin some circles in America were "exaggerating" allegations of Russian interference in the US election.

https://twitter.com/bbcstever/status/883379962526539778

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[RumbleHumble]

In the meantime, apparently Trump wants to set up a joint US/Russia Cybersecurity team...

https://twitter.com/Lucian_Kim/status/883376519942463489

 

[Poodlestrike]

In the meantime, apparently Trump wants to set up a joint US/Russia Cybersecurity team...

https://twitter.com/Lucian_Kim/status/883376519942463489

Oh my fucking god.

 

[tbm24]

https://twitter.com/bbcstever/status/883379962526539778

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America first!

 

[Resident_UA]

Russia Today is a banned source? Idk about that.

If Putin's propaganda network isn't a banned source, what should be?

I think they got banned because some phony UFO story forever ago... At least that's what I've been told

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

There ya go trump, keep pissing off the intelligence community.

 

[Greigor The Fellhand]

In the meantime, apparently Trump wants to set up a joint US/Russia Cybersecurity team...

https://twitter.com/Lucian_Kim/status/883376519942463489

oh hell the frik no.

 

[smokeymicpot]

In the meantime, apparently Trump wants to set up a joint US/Russia Cybersecurity team...

https://twitter.com/Lucian_Kim/status/883376519942463489

Good make it easier. Especially with Trump trying to get our voting records.

 

[Resident_UA]

In the meantime, apparently Trump wants to set up a joint US/Russia Cybersecurity team...

https://twitter.com/Lucian_Kim/status/883376519942463489

I feel like Lavrov can say whatever he wants now and Trump is to stupid to remember what he said to deny it

 

[Fenderputty]

There ya go trump, keep pissing off the intelligence community.

Basically ...

 

[kirblar]

lol we just banned Kapersky from US government stuff, no?

 

[~Kinggi~]

In the meantime, apparently Trump wants to set up a joint US/Russia Cybersecurity team...

https://twitter.com/Lucian_Kim/status/883376519942463489

THis is the exact opposite of what should happen. Incredible. The EXACT opposite.

 

[Owzers]

I feel like Lavrov can say whatever he wants now and Trump is to stupid to remember what he said to deny it

Trump better hope there aren't tapes of the meeting.

 

[Greigor The Fellhand]

lol we just banned Kapersky from US government stuff, no?

yep...

 

[Fenderputty]

lol we just banned Kapersky from US government stuff, no?

Yes

 

[RumbleHumble]

Trump better hope there aren't tapes of the meeting.

Putin will probably send an edited recording to Glenn Greenwald. Because I don't believe there is good in this world anymore.