Alien Earth Open Spoiler Thread

I agree that the Xeno is not really a major factor in this show and the name does not make much sense. However, if you just experience the show without thinking too much about it, it does have some entertaining scenes.
With every passing episode I'm thinking less and less. That "some" could be a bit more, episode 3 was boring, besides the ending. These 3 episodes could very well be named "Exposition, the show".

We'll see, I've read somewhere that critics were impressed from episode 4 onwards.
 
I'm loving the show so far, I hope we get more surprises in regards to those "Invasive Species"

Kirsh is my favorite character in the show and I'm hoping he turns into another David. I really like how Kirsh put that one Egg out on purpose since I think he wanted to scare Kavalier so that Kavalier will ban everyone but synths from entering the room. So that Kirsh can do whatever experiments he wants without restrictions. Might be wrong on this though

Morrow is another favorite of mine, I wonder if they will explain how he survived that Xenomorph attack. That Xenomorph just left him alone and killed all those other guys. Is he part machine? Don't remember if they explained that

My only issue with the show is those two boys in men suits. I can see those two behavior getting old fast, so far it hasn't been bothering me but I can see why other posters don't like those characters

So far other than the Xenomorph, I love the look of the eye octopus the most and I can't wait to see what that thing and the other new aliens introduced can do in regards to thier predatory nature

I'm disappointed that we got no Yautja (Name of Predator Species)

I like how the other kids are having distinctive personalities, I think that Curly being setup as another villain to be interesting and I think Nibs was infected by that eye octopus. Nibs will be the one to free all those aliens out of their cages.

I'm really liking the look of all these new alien species introduced in this show. Did the Blood Tick turn into something else? They were blurring it but it's shape drastically changed in that cage they got it in

As for Wendy and Hermit, I like them both but they are kind of bland for me

I think the CGI/Practical Effects were really good and I'm really liking how the show looks overall

So far, really enjoying this and I'm in for the rest of the ride
Yeah there is so much negativity in here that I feel like I am taking crazy pills for enjoying this. The pacing in the third episode was a little off - they kind of rushed the wrapping up of the crash site. But otherwise another solid episode although I am kinda hoping the shit hitting the fan that we all know is coming doesnt take too long.


Also it blew my mind when I realized that Adrian Edmondson was the right hand guy.
 
To preface this post, I am a casual fan of Aliens. I like 1 and 2 (I like 1 the most much like Terminator 1), I have nearly forgotten 3 and Resurrection, I haven't seen the newer movies yet (Romulus and Covenant), and Prometheus was fun but mediocre once you started to think about what actually happened in that movie.

I'm enjoying the show so far and I like that it's trying to expand lore and generally try something different with the Alien franchise, but I do feel the show has a bit of an identity crisis going on with how it is treating tension, buildup, payoff, and brevity.

It feels like there are dual directors per episode.

One director is doing a great job at giving the audience time to absorb a scene, showoff the cool effects and props, build up tension, leave mystery, and overall make things feel a bit unnerving.

The second director sometimes provides random plot armor to characters, bad character/scenario placement in scenes (which leads to said plot armor), sometimes gives cringe dialogue to a few of the adult characters, let's a scene linger for a bit too long to where it becomes a bit awkward (where I'm almost needing someone to yell 'cut!'), inserts comedy where it doesn't need to be inserted, and plays a fun rock song during or after scenes that did not fit the moment at all.

I want to see how they're going to make this all payoff before I give any quick verdicts and harsh judgments like others here are doing.
 
I'm not gonna fucking feel bad for criticizing this show because I wanted it more in line with the first two movies, horror, bleak etc.

I don't care about the Alien franchise being something different, it defeats the purpose. I don't understand the need for references to Peter Pan and Ice Age and having rock music just because it makes it different.

Okay, something different, but in tone with the series, sure, Prometheus did that, Covenant did that, nobody liked it.

Could this show get better?, of course, I could have a fantastic last few episodes with some interesting twists, but it doesn't erase all its flaws.
I said it, I like the aesthetic, the designs of sets, Morrow and Kirsh characters, the ending of episode 3 was interesting.

Who enjoys this, that's more than fine; I don't have even the slightest of problems with that, if I'm disappointed, that's also fine.
 
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I don't typically care about plot armor, so maybe this show is especially egregious with it, but, yes, the difference between the red shirts' and main characters' interactions with the Xeno is laughable.

It's disappointing because so much of the show is really good stuff, like the visuals, editing, and directing. It's a rewrite or two away from being awesome.
 
I also want to point out that although I am writing walls of text per episode picking on things, it's because I love the expanded Alien universe and desperately want this to be good, and I am actually enjoying AE for what it is, light entertainment with a sci-fi story, but, like Grildon Tundy Grildon Tundy said, it's so close to being an excellent Alien tv show if just a few little bits here and there were tightened up and sorted out, just makes me sad for the show it could have been

If it had a more coherent story id be happy, rather than forcing multiple storylines that even in a fake, futuristic universe seem stupid and it goes against 40 years of Alien previous history
 
I really liked the callback to this scene from Prometheus:

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I also want to point out that although I am writing walls of text per episode picking on things, it's because I love the expanded Alien universe and desperately want this to be good, and I am actually enjoying AE for what it is, light entertainment with a sci-fi story, but, like Grildon Tundy Grildon Tundy said, it's so close to being an excellent Alien tv show if just a few little bits here and there were tightened up and sorted out, just makes me sad for the show it could have been

If it had a more coherent story id be happy, rather than forcing multiple storylines that even in a fake, futuristic universe seem stupid and it goes against 40 years of Alien previous history
I don't mind the walls of text, on the contrary, maybe I missed something or came to the wrong conclusion about something, someone.

Also criticizing it doesn't have to mean more than it is or that you don't enjoy it or parts of it.
 
I've watched the three episodes and holy moly is this a boring show. I can excuse a lot of things when it comes to the Alien franchise, but not boredom. I feel like I can't take anything seriously. Oh so it's a big secret that they are actually uploaded humans. Nah, let's go ahead and tell every living human they meet that secret. Oh, the xenomorph is an insanely effective killing machine. Except when it suddenly decides to be incredibly lame. Oh, Prodigy can see and record everything the robokids do. Let's have one robokid talk to himself loudly when the cyborghacker talks with him like a doofus. I'm suspecting that this will be portrayed as some sort of master manipulation and he'll gain access to the base through the kid.

I'm honestly baffled by the writing. At least the visuals are good.
 
I'm guessing the embryo extraction scene was the writers intentionally wanting to settle a decades-long source of contention to the Alien canon. It had been long debated whether facehuggers implanted an embryo or some kind of mutagenic substance that rewired the host's DNA to produce the xenomorph (like a virus rewiring a cell).

If so, we might see an eggmorphing scene in coming episodes, since that process is debated because it's only found in an alternate cut of the movie.
 
I'm guessing the embryo extraction scene was the writers intentionally wanting to settle a decades-long source of contention to the Alien canon. It had been long debated whether facehuggers implanted an embryo or some kind of mutagenic substance that rewired the host's DNA to produce the xenomorph (like a virus rewiring a cell).

If so, we might see an eggmorphing scene in coming episodes, since that process is debated because it's only found in an alternate cut of the movie.
I wonder if the Romulus introduced cocoon stage will be shown too?
 
There is no real reason why xenos need to be homogeneous. Have some create eggs via a queen, others dissolve a host into a cocoon, etc. Even a variant using the black goo just to keep Ridley Scott happy.
 
There is no real reason why xenos need to be homogeneous. Have some create eggs via a queen, others dissolve a host into a cocoon, etc. Even a variant using the black goo just to keep Ridley Scott happy.
But we already knew that if we take Alien 3 into account, Ripley notices the Alien acts different(since it came from a dog this time in the theatrical cut). :messenger_winking_tongue:
 
But we already knew that if we take Alien 3 into account, Ripley notices the Alien acts different(since it came from a dog this time in the theatrical cut). :messenger_winking_tongue:
I've been a fan of the notion that the host organism contributes to the final xeno form. I'd LOVE to see a shark xeno, snake xeno, etc with radically different body styles.
 
I'm guessing the embryo extraction scene was the writers intentionally wanting to settle a decades-long source of contention to the Alien canon. It had been long debated whether facehuggers implanted an embryo or some kind of mutagenic substance that rewired the host's DNA to produce the xenomorph (like a virus rewiring a cell).

If so, we might see an eggmorphing scene in coming episodes, since that process is debated because it's only found in an alternate cut of the movie.
Until the prequels and Romulus it was always some sort of embryo in the first stage of Xeno implantation.

Here in episode 3 it looks more like a tadpole and it appears to contain some black substance and also on the facehugger from where it's extracted. Maybe they're trying to combine the black goo and embryo after all? Who knows.
 
Finished episode 2, Jesus christ the tone of this series is all over the place, and quite jarring tbh. Also the Alien looks like its made of plastic.

And whoever decided on the end credit music each episode, needs firing.

I do like how they tried to keep the 70s look and feel. But it just feels off in so many ways.
 
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I don't think a TV show is a good fit for this franchise. Too much wheel spinning and the tone is not right. I'm still waiting for something interesting to happen.

Prometheus and Covenant are leagues better than whatever this is.
 
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You'd think someone/megacorps with that kinda cash to burn on experimental bodies would have controlled testing environment for that stuff rather than sending out units on the field where they could become irrecoverably lost shortly after activation.

But as you said there may be more behind sending inexperienced people on a very sensitive mission but I fear the show won't really justify it in the end.
Let's take a look at a current plutocrat and see if we can figure out why this one might do something less than rational.
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Nope, I got nothing it just doesnt make sense that this guy would do anything not completely rational.
 
I've watched all the episodes so far and it seems a mashup of other films and not just Alien film's, while it's not terrible, it's not good either, i'm still trying to work it all out lol, i've seen worse.
 
I was not a fan of what I was hearing leading up to release but I've watched episode three twice now.

It's damn good.
The premise.
The aliens.
The characters.

At times it captures the aesthetic of the original movie. Kirsch is my guy and even Boy Kavalier is a great take on a villainous wunderkind.

It respects the fans and at the same time challenges our most cherished assumptions about the lore and the creatures without completely disregarding what's been established. But all things considered, even after all this time very little has been established about the xenomorphs in film.

Will the eye creature bore into a xenomorph and create the most fucked up variant of all time? Hoping to see it.

Also, Seems like this series might end with a call going out to the Nostromo to stop by a certain moon.
 
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I've given up on the show. I'll always enjoy the first two movies, but like many things, its time to put it out to pasture. At the very least, Ridley Scott eventually no longer being involved might help things. Alien 3 wasn't the worst thing to happen to the franchise, it was prometheus.
 
I've given up on the show. I'll always enjoy the first two movies, but like many things, its time to put it out to pasture. At the very least, Ridley Scott eventually no longer being involved might help things. Alien 3 wasn't the worst thing to happen to the franchise, it was prometheus.

Nah, Resurrection was shit beginning to end.

3 was great in comparison.

And, Romulus was pointless.

I don't hate Prometheus. It just shouldn't have been an Alien movie. It stood on its own.

Covenant, also pointless, creates more questions than answers.
 
Will the eye creature bore into a xenomorph and create the most fucked up variant of all time? Hoping to see it.
But the Xenomorphs do not have eyes...

Ridley Scott eventually no longer being involved might help things. Alien 3 wasn't the worst thing to happen to the franchise, it was prometheus.
I watched both recently and Prometheus was more eventful and intriguing than Alien. It had a better plot and more nuanced characters despite some lore inaccuracies. Alien had a lot of caricatures and some unbelievably dumb developments. Even the ending was borderline comical in retrospect. I think that because it sets up Aliens where Ripley gets a lot of character development it is looked upon more favorably.

As for 3... It ruins the ending of Aliens, has a mildly intriguing love interest for Ripley whose mystique is tossed out the window, has the dullest imaginable setting, characters that you want to be ripped apart (despite most kills being off screen), and the dumbest imaginable fatality for the xenomorph. Even the ending is dumb as hell.

Nah, Resurrection was shit beginning to end.

3 was great in comparison.

And, Romulus was pointless.
Resurrection was better than 3 and Romulus. It had a lower budget, made-for-TV sci-fi vibe and some great scenes.


 
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Even the ending was borderline comical in retrospect. I think that because it sets up Aliens where Ripley gets a lot of character development it is looked upon more favorably.
You mean the Ripley who loses her shit in the interview at the beginning but then when the marines are heading in to alien infested territory armed only with 'harsh language' decides "whatever, lets see how this plays out".
 
You mean the Ripley who loses her shit in the interview at the beginning but then when the marines are heading in to alien infested territory armed only with 'harsh language' decides "whatever, lets see how this plays out".
They dangled a giant carrot in front of her a long time after that interview. Her credit must be fucked after they held her responsible for the incident and she can't get a job higher than warehouse duty. Also, facing your fears is an important part of overcoming them and that plays into her character development.
 
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But the Xenomorphs do not have eyes...

Resurrection was better than 3 and Romulus. It had a lower budget, made-for-TV sci-fi vibe and some great scenes.

Why do they need eyes for it to bore into their cranial cavity and assume control of it's mind and body?

It's interested in the synths yet they don't have eyes, at least not real ones...

Also, let's agree to disagree as I prefer 3's grit and horror over Resurrection's campy humor, shit premise, and the Offspring.
 
Why do they need eyes for it to bore into their cranial cavity and assume control of it's mind and body?

It's interested in the synths yet they don't have eyes, at least not real ones...
I am pretty sure that this species uses its ocular senses to make calls on suitable hosts and the cyborgs look real enough. Species without eyes usually do not have cranial nerves connecting brain to eyes so it is unlikely that it would be compatible.

Also, let's agree to disagree as I prefer 3's grit and horror over Resurrection's campy humor, shit premise, and the Offspring.
3 has no grit. It has a generic oversized factory set with a bunch of disturbed inmates looked after by an authoritarian, a repenting faith leader, and a doctor with a moron tagging along. The horror is nonexistent as there is no build up (kills are random) or stakes (xeno is friendly to Ripley and everybody else is detestable). It is worse than Romulus. Resurrection at least has some entertainment value.
 
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They dangled a giant carrot in front of her a long time after that interview. Her credit must be fucked after they held her responsible for the incident and she can't get a job higher than warehouse duty. Also, facing your fears is an important part of overcoming them and that plays into her character development.
I mean she literally points out the nuclear reactor thing and then when they take the marines ammo away (lets not get in to how ridiculous that is) she's just like - ok they are now unarmed and heading towards alien central - should I say they should come back and rearm? No dont want them to think Im being a meddling woman.
 
I mean she literally points out the nuclear reactor thing and then when they take the marines ammo away (lets not get in to how ridiculous that is) she's just like - ok they are now unarmed and heading towards alien central - should I say they should come back and rearm? No dont want them to think Im being a meddling woman.
The issue is cooling system having systemic failure due to explosive rounds would cause a continent-sized blast they would be caught in. Ripley reprimands the commanding officer throughout that scene and advises him to tell them to retreat. An offhand comment at first building into screaming in his face. Eventually she gets so ticked off by his ineptitude she takes the wheel. The timing of the shots of control center do seem delayed relative to shots of scouting party.
 
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I am pretty sure that this species uses its ocular senses to make calls on suitable hosts and the cyborgs look real enough. Species without eyes usually do not have cranial nerves connecting brain to eyes so it is unlikely that it would be compatible.
Pretty sure based on what?

You're making a lot of assumptions and apparently applying knowledge of terrestrial Earth species to Aliens? OK.

Also, the original design for the xenomorph has eye sockets under the carapace. It may be that they don't have visible eyes or can see though their skull.

Besides in your favorite installment the xenos remembered the scientist pressing the red button would cause them pain from their observations.

Honestly, all of this is neither here nor there since the official lore is all over the place and says nothing definitive about what we are discussing, and I want to see the eye creature hijack a xenomorph, so I maintain my thoughts on the matter

3 has no grit. It has a generic oversized factory set with a bunch of disturbed inmates looked after by an authoritarian, a repenting faith leader, and a doctor with a moron tagging along. The horror is nonexistent as there is no build up (kills are random) or stakes (xeno is friendly to Ripley and everybody else is detestable). It is worse than Romulus. Resurrection at least has some entertainment value.
Your grit ain't my grit apparently? The sterile dystopian future aesthetic prevalent throughout the original trilogy is what I am speaking of.

Xeno isn't friendly to Ripley..it"s instinctual reverence...she was host for the queen.

You like Romulus? OK. Don't like 3 because of reasons? Cool.

Your value judgements are no more fact than mine.
 
Besides in your favorite installment the xenos remembered the scientist pressing the red button would cause them pain from their observations.
Resurrection is not my favorite installment. Outside of a handful of scenes I dislike it immensely. I would rather watch it over Romulus though.

You like Romulus?
I would rather rewatch Romulus than Alien 3 but I would rather not watch either ever again after watching them a week ago. They are a stain on the IP which peaked with James Cameron's Aliens.
 
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I saw critics loved this show; I went in blind, filled with hope because I love alien and aliens. I've only seen episode 1, but man that was pretty, pretty bad. The writing is terrible. Tone is all over the place. Some bad acting. Weird exposition dumps. How did this get good reviews?
The neverland thing is super on the nose. Kids in android bodies is an interesting idea, but the actors are terrible and it ends up being annoying and dumb.
The tonal swings are crazy. I thought the Android giving the speech suddenly about humans being food was laughable. The editing is terrible.
 
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I saw critics loved this show; I went in blind, filled with hope because I love alien and aliens. I've only seen episode 1, but man that was pretty, pretty bad. The writing is terrible. Tone is all over the place. Some bad acting. Weird exposition dumps. How did this get good reviews?
The neverland thing is super ok the nose. Kids in android bodies is an interesting idea, but the actors are terrible and it ends up being annoying and dumb.
The tonal swings are crazy. I thought the Android giving the speech suddenly about humans being food was laughable. The editing is terrible.
The first episode is backstory. It gets better in episode 2 and 3 when things happen. It is supposed to hit its stride in episode 4 and beyond if reviews are to be believed.
 
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The first episode is backstory. It gets better in episode 2 and 3 when things happen. It is supposed to hit its stride in episode 4 and beyond though if reviews are to be believed.
I'll watch, but episode 1 was pretty terrible. Acting, editing, writing, directing. All of it.
I think blame goes squarely on the director rather than the actors, as some of these actors I know are good. But they suck here, badly.

The rescue operation and the way the crash, rescue was shot was so dumb. Like 1) the guns etc into the rescue op 2) it looks like probably thousands of people would be impacted, a huge ship, and like this tiny crew of marines with guns going in, the whole thing just comes off as bizarre. Again, it might have worked in the hands of a better writer director, but it comes off as bad and dumb.

Maybe I'm watching it wrong and I should be taking it as a goofy comedy.
 
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I saw critics loved this show; I went in blind, filled with hope because I love alien and aliens. I've only seen episode 1, but man that was pretty, pretty bad. The writing is terrible. Tone is all over the place. Some bad acting. Weird exposition dumps. How did this get good reviews?
The neverland thing is super on the nose. Kids in android bodies is an interesting idea, but the actors are terrible and it ends up being annoying and dumb.
The tonal swings are crazy. I thought the Android giving the speech suddenly about humans being food was laughable. The editing is terrible.

Watch all the episodes and come back.

Episode 1 was OK. 6/10.
Episode 2 was Good. 7/10.
Episode 3 was Great. 9/10.

It gets progressively better with each one.
 
Let's take a look at a current plutocrat and see if we can figure out why this one might do something less than rational.
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Nope, I got nothing it just doesnt make sense that this guy would do anything not completely rational.
So you got anything close to the level of sending untrained people(children even) with very expensive gear to a potential dangerous situation where all those billions could easily be lost?

Zuckerberg pumping billions for years in that Metaverse money sink is the closest I can think of unless you know better examples.
 
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I'd say the highlights of each episode could be scored at 7 or 8, but the bad parts are very bad and plunge the overall score down

I'd say a score of 6, 6.5 is fair/forgiving so far
 
So you got anything close to the level of sending untrained people(children even) with very expensive gear to a potential dangerous situation where all those billions could easily be lost?

Zuckerberg pumping billions for years in that Metaverse money sink is the closest I can think of unless you know better examples.
You mean like for your spaceships first flight in to space your crew being the CEO, his brother, an 80 year old woman and an 18 year old kid.
 
Well, I'd give 1 a 4 at best. I hate the tech bro actor. The paper cutter sticking to her back like a samurai sword. The exposition. It was just bad.
The cutter which she uses to decapitate an armored, hyper-intelligent xenomorph. Which doesn't melt from the acid in its blood, which easily melted a shipping container in the previous scene, which then coudnt melt through her brothers shirt. This show is absolutely retarded. I kinda love how dumb it is.

Maybe this is a modern deconstruction thing: make me think the alien is just misunderstood and is in the right for wanting to kill the zero-personality, zero-IQ humans?
 
You mean like for your spaceships first flight in to space your crew being the CEO, his brother, an 80 year old woman and an 18 year old kid.
Those spaceships have gone through multiple test phases I assume before being used for real. And spaceflight tech has been around for over half a century and improving. How does that compare to sending children with no training and experience into potentially hostile territory to retrieve something?
 
I've fast-forwarded through the episodes a couple of times and my rating for now is a 7.5

Minuses:
- The kids in synth bodies, understandable but very tiresome.
- Wendy+brother melodramatic subplot.
- Some illogical or dumb stuff like not noticing the ship crashing or the crew waking up from cryosleep as they depart the planet only for them to go to sleep shortly after and I think there are some more.
- music choices.
- Xeno design, too clean, plasticky.
- Boy Kavalier's feet.

Pluses:
- Atmosphere, vibe, sets reminiscent of Alien and great for continuity.
- The parts where the Xeno is hunting them and its given some sort of intelligence.
- Timothy Olyphant.

Neutral:
- Don't like how the Xeno is behaving more like in Alien 3, animal on all 4s than like the 1st one, it's much more menacing and eerie when on 2 feet, it's great vor visceral, slasher, but yeah.
- Wendy sensing, understanding the Xeno and/or other aliens and how she can hack stuff from a distance can introduce a whole lot of plot holes and inconsistencies.

I think I'm forgetting some more, but I'm sure I'll watch the episodes again before the next one.
Nerd

Just enjoy it
 
Those spaceships have gone through multiple test phases I assume before being used for real. And spaceflight tech has been around for over half a century and improving. How does that compare to sending children with no training and experience into potentially hostile territory to retrieve something?
Presumably there was also a lot of work put in to the consciousness transfer and synthtic tech has also been around for decades at this point in the show - the twitchy A2s being well in the past. They were sent to help with a rescue mission in a friendly city, it was obviously reckless, although the expected risk would be from unstable structures or one of the kid/synth hybrids going psychotic and murdering a bunch of people. The worth of the hybrids is stated as billions - a drop in the ocean for a guy with his own personal fortune being in the trillions - and presumably most of the important valuable tech is that which allows the consciousness transfer not the actual hybrid synths. Plus he states his main reason for the whole project is just to have someone interesting to talk to.
In pure dollar value Musk probably made a bigger reckless decision to buy twitter and then again when he rebranded it to X.
It just seems strange to get hooked up upon - a trillionaire making an impulsive decision just for the fuck of it seems perfectly normal and in character.
 
I'm guessing the embryo extraction scene was the writers intentionally wanting to settle a decades-long source of contention to the Alien canon. It had been long debated whether facehuggers implanted an embryo or some kind of mutagenic substance that rewired the host's DNA to produce the xenomorph (like a virus rewiring a cell).

If so, we might see an eggmorphing scene in coming episodes, since that process is debated because it's only found in an alternate cut of the movie.
Seeing as they are going the science route, I'm intrigued to find out if they answer the biggest question - how does a 6 inch tall alien become an 8 foot tall Alien with no food source? Either it is somehow packing all the energy and material in that tiny body - or it uses something completely different for food - rock, metal etc?
 
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