2010 NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs |OT| 20 Cent: Get 16 Wins or Die Trying

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Socreges said:
Reputation calls?
are you suggesting he doesn't get called based on his reputation? i know he gets away with shit. that doesn't change the fact that he gets some of the absolute worst calls go against him, based on his reputation. to the point where it's simply embarrassing for the league. no one comes close.
 
The Internet said:
I bet you it's Canucks complaining n' shyte, they're scared of Smytty's greasy mullet in front of Louuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
Or maybe Luuuuuuuu is a racist and doesn't want Byfuglien standing so close to him all the time in a potential Blackhawks/Canucks series.
 
scissorfight said:
are you suggesting he doesn't get called based on his reputation? i know he gets away with shit. that doesn't change the fact that he gets some of the absolute worst calls go against him, based on his reputation. to the point where it's simply embarrassing for the league. no one comes close.

It's horrible. I've seen him get called for interference after a goalie tripped him.
 
Dr.Guru of Peru said:
Weren't you the one who said Burke already had the pieces in place when he got to Anaheim- even though he replaced 70% of the roster, including the entire D corps?

Funny how that doesn't apply to Gillis. Its "Gilis' team". Must be nice to have a team where you inherited the Sedins, Luongo, and Kesler.
I don't think you understand. I'm trying to argue against any deluded perspective that Burke is some masterful GM. I just believe that an organization is a lot more complicated than one wizard on a chessboard. And don't get me wrong when I say it's Gillis' team. I wouldn't heap praise on him, either. My point is just that Burke/Nonis did what they did and now they're elsewhere. It's not their team anymore. Continue to pat them on the back for drafting well or twice. But fuck if I should be thanking them now as if they're Gods amongst men.

And yeah, it is nice to have the Sedins, Luongo, and Kesler. But what's your point? Are you so accustomed to the Leafs' dearth of talent that you think the Canucks are the only organization out there that has acquired great players through drafting and trades? I'm not saying Burke and Nonis didn't have their moments. But your initial post about how we should be so grateful to them just struck me as deluded. It's as if Leaf Nation can't actually cheer for their team since there's so little success there, so instead you've all taken to cheering for your general manager. If that's the case, start backing the Bruins. Burke will be doing some great work for that organization over the next couple seasons.

scissorfight said:
are you suggesting he doesn't get called based on his reputation? i know he gets away with shit. that doesn't change the fact that he gets some of the absolute worst calls go against him, based on his reputation. to the point where it's simply embarrassing for the league. no one comes close.
My post was a lot longer than just that one question. The point was to reply that to complain about reputation calls has its basis in what he gets away with and how difficult it is to call the penalty consistently. I was trying to explain the warning since people seem to just be upset about it.

Think about it. If the conspiracy was to unfairly target Holmstrom, then they wouldn't issue a warning. They'd just call the penalties. Instead, they just don't want him doing that kind of shit so that they don't have to call it in the first place (perhaps unfairly or miss the call altogether).
 
not sure what you're trying to convince me of, i never said there was a "conspiracy" - there's just some shitty refs (particularly o'halloran). and as i said, the league likely didn't mention holmstrom directly - dreger did - so there's nothing to be upset about considering that everyone knows holmstrom is gonna get a few reputation calls already.
 
Socreges said:
I don't think you understand. I'm trying to argue against any deluded perspective that Burke is some masterful GM. I just believe that an organization is a lot more complicated than one wizard on a chessboard. And don't get me wrong when I say it's Gillis' team. I wouldn't heap praise on him, either. My point is just that Burke/Nonis did what they did and now they're elsewhere. It's not their team anymore. Continue to pat them on the back for drafting well or twice. But fuck if I should be thanking them now as if they're Gods amongst men.

And yeah, it is nice to have the Sedins, Luongo, and Kesler. But what's your point?
Do you even know how Burke acquired the Sedins? If any other GM was in that position, you guys would have Patrick Stefan or Tim Conolly as your number one centre.

The point is that Burke has a good eye for talent and isn't afraid to make big moves to get those players. Other GMs play it safe, and that gets them players like Tim Connolly and Patrick Stefan.

Are you so accustomed to the Leafs' dearth of talent that you think the Canucks are the only organization out there that has acquired great players through drafting and trades? I'm not saying Burke and Nonis didn't have their moments. But your initial post about how we should be so grateful to them just struck me as deluded. It's as if Leaf Nation can't actually cheer for their team since there's so little success there, so instead you've all taken to cheering for your general manager. If that's the case, start backing the Bruins. Burke will be doing some great work for that organization over the next couple seasons.
This whole discussion began when you decided to act like a prick towards nourali for daring to show some optimism about the team. Its pretty obvious that, for whatever reason, you can't handle anyone cheering for the Leafs.

Newsflash: Burke is GM of the Leafs. His success will mean Leafs success. His track record provides reason for optimism.
 
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Let's do it, one more time.

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Time to get ready for battle...

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And put this shit to rest...

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Keep your damned, dirty hands off our Cup, you bastards.
 
Now that I think about it... Are there any Coyotes fans on this forum? I think that might be the only team missing GAF support.
 
Yep, Alucard just regained my ire. :lol

GO SENATORS

Dr.Guru of Peru said:
Do you even know how Burke acquired the Sedins? If any other GM was in that position, you guys would have Patrick Stefan or Tim Conolly as your number one centre.

The point is that Burke has a good eye for talent and isn't afraid to make big moves to get those players. Other GMs play it safe, and that gets them players like Tim Connolly and Patrick Stefan.
That whole draft was really interesting, actually, in retrospect. All teams realized that the Sedins should be playing together. Their agent even considered having them enter the draft in separate seasons so the same team could select them. Burke had exactly the right pick position to draft one Sedin, but not the other. This was going to be another team's problem, too. Burke did well in getting that other pick (had to give up McCabe and a 1st rounder for the following season) and drafting both. Ultimately, ten years later, it looks like it was easily his best move with this organization, even though the twins looked like middling second liners for the first half of their career here.

You're not making much sense otherwise, though. What made Stefan the "safe" pick, but the Sedins weren't? Hindsight, I suppose? You do realize that if the Canucks had the 1st pick and not the 3rd, Burke would have just taken Stefan, right?

Dr.Guru of Peru said:
This whole discussion began when you decided to act like a prick towards nourali for daring to show some optimism about the team. Its pretty obvious that, for whatever reason, you can't handle anyone cheering for the Leafs.

Newsflash: Burke is GM of the Leafs. His success will mean Leafs success. His track record provides reason for optimism.
I'm sorry. I just don't agree that Leaf fans have "plenty to be excited about". But hey, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
 
Alucard said:
I've been playing nice since around December. C'maaaaaan.

I'd rather you have trickled them in slowly instead of bombarding us.

Edit: That post was backwards. Just get all of them out of the way in one post.
 
I don't think Burke is a GM God or anything but he is a good enough GM. It is not like making the playoffs is that hard I mean over half the leagues teams get in.

Burkes biggest mistake this year was letting Toskala even play 26 games, put any competent goaltender in net and the Leafs could have had 6-8 more points on the year which would have vaulted them up a couple of spots and they could have finished where most expected them to.

Toskala 17 points in 23 games started, 26 totals games played
Gus 41 points in 39 games started, 42 total games played
Giggy 14 points in 15 games started, 15 total games played
Joey Mac 2 points in 5 games started, 6 total games played

goals a game before trade: 2.72
goals a game after the trade: 2.39

I think most of the difference in goals for is the PP, the leafs were horrendous after losing most of the 1st and 2nd unit in trades

goals against before trade: 3.54
goals against after trade: 2.65

If Burke can get a couple forwards I don't see how the Leafs don't have a chance at the playoffs.
 
Here is my entry into a local playoff pool, these players must not fail......


Crosby
Malkin
Backstrom
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Kane
Heatley
Hossa
Samuelsson


Ovechkin
Semin
D Sedin
Marleau

Green
Erhoff
Edler
Boyle
Keith
Gonchar


Theodore
Luongo
 
I think we need a new rule in effect for the playoffs from now on, every playoff series the Pens are in, they get their own thread, that way we won't have to deal with awful photoshops and Pens fans in general. It would make the world so much better. :p
 
CrazedArabMan said:
I think we need a new rule in effect for the playoffs from now on, every playoff series the Pens are in, they get their own thread, that way we won't have to deal with awful photoshops and Pens fans in general. It would make the world so much better. :p

As if the last page wasn't filled with Wings talk.

It's the first night of the playoffs and I'm excited. I'll tone it down the rest of the way, but just wanted to show my excitement right off the bat.
 
CrazedArabMan said:
I think we need a new rule in effect for the playoffs from now on, every playoff series the Pens are in, they get their own thread, that way we won't have to deal with awful photoshops and Pens fans in general. It would make the world so much better. :p
With any luck they'll move to the off-season thread in about a week ;)
 
HAY GUYS, THE CAPITALS ARE ALL OFFENSE.

The Oilers were beaten in seven by the Los Angeles Kings, who were given no chance. In one game the Kings, in the game dubbed the Miracle on Manchester, came back from a 5-0 deficit to win in overtime. They won the series in Edmonton with the Oilers seeming to have no idea how to play defence. The Capitals remind me of that Oiler team who had to learn how to win by playing a tight defensive style.

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They've only given up 10 more goals than Montreal and 5 less goals than Ottawa, teams that are on entirely different ends of the entertainment scale compared to Washington.
 
Nice job Alucard, don't let these wussies get to you. They are just terrified of their teams being swept by the mighty GUINS.

CROS CROS CROS
 
Alucard said:
As if the last page wasn't filled with Wings talk.

It's the first night of the playoffs and I'm excited. I'll tone it down the rest of the way, but just wanted to show my excitement right off the bat.

Talk =/= Terrible Photoshops
 
Zombie James said:
They've only given up 10 more goals than Montreal and 5 less goals than Ottawa, teams that are on entirely different ends of the entertainment scale compared to Washington.

Honestly I think the Caps best defense is that their offense is so damn dominant and control the puck so well.
 
Socreges said:
Yep, Alucard just regained my ire. :lol

GO SENATORS

That whole draft was really interesting, actually, in retrospect. All teams realized that the Sedins should be playing together. Their agent even considered having them enter the draft in separate seasons so the same team could select them. Burke had exactly the right pick position to draft one Sedin, but not the other. This was going to be another team's problem, too. Burke did well in getting that other pick (had to give up McCabe and a 1st rounder for the following season) and drafting both. Ultimately, ten years later, it looks like it was easily his best move with this organization, even though the twins looked like middling second liners for the first half of their career here.

You're not making much sense otherwise, though. What made Stefan the "safe" pick, but the Sedins weren't? Hindsight, I suppose? You do realize that if the Canucks had the 1st pick and not the 3rd, Burke would have just taken Stefan, right?

No Burke wanted the Sedins and only the Sedins, he could have taken Stefan but he traded the 1st overall to Atlanta for the 2nd and a 2nd rounder.
 
Zombie James said:
They've only given up 10 more goals than Montreal and 5 less goals than Ottawa, teams that are on entirely different ends of the entertainment scale compared to Washington.
something something southeast division
 
R_Gill said:
No Burke wanted the Sedins and only the Sedins, he could have taken Stefan but he traded the 1st overall to Atlanta for the 2nd and a 2nd rounder.
Ahh right, my bad. Been too many years. So yeah, even more props to Burke then for his move.
R_Gill said:
Burkes biggest mistake this year was letting Toskala even play 26 games, put any competent goaltender in net and the Leafs could have had 6-8 more points on the year which would have vaulted them up a couple of spots and they could have finished where most expected them to.
And whatever mistakes he made with this last regular season should fall under heavier scrutiny since that Kessel trade continues to bear fruit for the Bruins. He'll have to make some very smart moves this summer and hope that all that money buried in defensemen and goalies begins to make a dent.
 
Socreges said:
Ahh right, my bad. Been too many years. So yeah, even more props to Burke then for his move.
And whatever mistakes he made with this last regular season should fall under heavier scrutiny since that Kessel trade continues to bear fruit for the Bruins. He'll have to make some very smart moves this summer and hope that all that money buried in defensemen and goalies begins to make a dent.


I will be the first one to admit that Seguin is going to be a great player in the NHL and the Leafs in retrospect are going to lose that trade. Not because Seguin > Kessel but because Seguin + pick #32 + whatever next year combined are better. But that trade is done and over with, there is nothing anybody can do about it and I am not going to judge Burke by whatever Boston accomplishes. If the Bruins win the cup next year and the Leafs make the playoffs I am still going to consider next year a success. I don't think Burke is going to have any cap space problems either, the eventual Kaberle trade and burying Finger in the minors frees up almost 8 million. Gigueres contract is done after next season too. The Leafs do need more offense and Wilson needs to step up and fix the PP, because if it is bad again next year the Leafs are in trouble.
 
Botolf said:
I will steal an entire bridge and then jump off of it.

I will blow up a bridge and then jump off the rubble! So very over Pens/Wings.

That clown.gif is Nicholas Cage, isn't it? Also why does Crosbys helmet suggest that he has the overgrown head shape of Frankenstein?
 
Can't believe the playoffs are tonight! My last minute picks.. not many upsets:

Washington (1) vs Montreal (8) in 4 - No explanation necessary
New Jersey (2) vs Philadelphia (7) in 4 - I know the season series records, but Boucher?
Buffalo (3) vs Boston (6) in 5 - Betting (hoping) Rask isn't quite ready yet. If he is, we could be in trouble.
Pittsburgh (4) vs Ottawa (5) in 6 - I just want the Sens out of the playoffs for our sake.

San Jose (1) vs Colorado (8) in 4 - I think this could be the post season for the Sharks and Thornton.
Chicago (2) vs Nashville (7) in 7 - Chicago moves on in spite of goaltending.
Vancouver (3) vs Los Angeles (6) in 6 - Picked LA to win the division this year. Not quite, but 100+ points and a lot of upside.
Phoenix (4) vs Detroit (5) in 6 - I think Detroit's the better team, but just got a feeling about the Coyotes.
 
I've taken pretty much this year off of hockey to focus on personal life, so I haven't followed it like i did by watching center ice all the time in the past.

regardless, here are my picks

Washington (1) vs Montreal (8) in 5 - Too much fire power in WAS, not enough goaltending in MTL
New Jersey (2) vs Philadelphia (7) in 6 - Broduer is good enough to win this series, Philly has no goaltending. I predict Kovalchuk does nothing of significance
Buffalo (3) vs Boston (6) in 6 - Ryan Miller in 6. The loss of Savard hurts the Bruins tremendously
Pittsburgh (4) vs Ottawa (5) in 6 - The pens have been playing horrible against playoff teams lately. they will pull out the series win, but not without some hard work.

San Jose (1) vs Colorado (8) in 5 - I'll give the sharks the edge here, they gotta do something with all that talent, and track record of playoffs burnouts.
Chicago (2) vs Nashville (7) in 7 - Chicago should have enough firepower to do this, but not without a big fight.
Vancouver (3) vs Los Angeles (6) in 7 - predicting upset here. LA has a lot of young bucks that will be really excited to get in the playoffs.
Phoenix (4) vs Detroit (5) in 6 - Bryz will steal a few games, and the coyotes should be able to wrap up the series.
 
Big Chief Crazy Cone said:
Alucard are you in Rinkotology? Any other Pens-age members take part? If so, what's your username? My username is dc9884, if you want to compare.
I am, user is icealchemist
 
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