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2011 NBA Playoffs |OT| Don't Compare Refs to Cigarettes

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reilo said:
What? Why would you respect him? He's probably the worst referee of them all.

Well, it's been a long time since I noticed him(don't really pay that much attention to specific refs).

Maybe I got him mixed up with someone else but from what I remember, he pissed me off at times but I respected him.

I'm not sure.

But it's pointless here, most refs are horrible according to everyone.

You're all Violet Palmer sexist haters though.

1. Joey Crawford: Passionate and competent, Crawford runs a game like no other. Some might not like the way Crawford goes about his business. That's fine. It doesn't change the fact he still might be the best ref out there and will be remembered as one of the greats. To see Joey Crawford tossing up the opening tip is to know that the game's outcome will be decided by your team's players.

2. Steve Javie: Remember the early days of Javie? If you don't, he was said to have a short fuse. Basically, he was very quick with the "T." Have you seen him recently? The guy is the picture of calm, brilliant at diffusing a situation. When you picture Javie in your mind the vision is of him with an acknowledging hand, as if to say: "You're absolutely right and that is registering with me. But right now, I can't change the call."

3. Danny Crawford: Crawford gets a lot of respect among players and coaches and it's because he's earned it. His handling of the hard foul by Glen Davis on Brad Miller, and subsequent altercation, in Game 4 of the Celtics-Bulls series was perfect. He initially ejected Miller for what he likely perceived to be a punch. But using the replay, Crawford probably saw what most hadn't seen the first time around: A little acting by "Big Baby." No ejection for Miller. Right call.

4. Ron Garretson: The complaint about Garretson is he can sometimes come off as aloof or maybe even arrogant. But he's far more approachable than he was earlier in his career, and regardless of how you cut it, he's a hell of an official.

5. Greg Willard: I like the way Willard officiates a game. He does things by the book, doesn't bring attention to himself and commands a certain kind of respect because of his sheer size. If you're not quite sure who Willard is, that's exactly my point. He's good enough that you don't know.

6. Zach Zarba: He might be the best young official in the league – depending on how you define "young." Zarba has a terrific demeanor and a feel for the game, and he's growing into an officiating staple. He's now six years in, and he's going to be around for a lot longer.

An opinion on the best refs I found(dated though, 2009).

Obviously, I disagree witht the first choice but it amused me.
 

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TheGreatMightyPoo said:
Bulls well represented in Defensive Player of the Year voting.

Deng finished 10th.

Noah 15th.

And which one of you guys properly gave Keith Bogans a vote(first place one to boot)???

:D

Dr. Jack Ramsay gave Bogans the first place vote. He's senile nowadays.

Javie, Bavetta, Joey Crawford, and the one dude with slicked back hair are the worst refs.


TheGreatMightyPoo said:
Well, it's been a long time since I noticed him(don't really pay that much attention to specific refs).

Maybe I got him mixed up with someone else but from what I remember, he pissed me off at times but I respected him.

I'm not sure.

But it's pointless here, most refs are horrible according to everyone.

You're all Violet Palmer sexist haters though.

1. Joey Crawford: Passionate and competent, Crawford runs a game like no other. Some might not like the way Crawford goes about his business. That's fine. It doesn't change the fact he still might be the best ref out there and will be remembered as one of the greats. To see Joey Crawford tossing up the opening tip is to know that the game's outcome will be decided by your team's players.

2. Steve Javie: Remember the early days of Javie? If you don't, he was said to have a short fuse. Basically, he was very quick with the "T." Have you seen him recently? The guy is the picture of calm, brilliant at diffusing a situation. When you picture Javie in your mind the vision is of him with an acknowledging hand, as if to say: "You're absolutely right and that is registering with me. But right now, I can't change the call."

3. Danny Crawford: Crawford gets a lot of respect among players and coaches and it's because he's earned it. His handling of the hard foul by Glen Davis on Brad Miller, and subsequent altercation, in Game 4 of the Celtics-Bulls series was perfect. He initially ejected Miller for what he likely perceived to be a punch. But using the replay, Crawford probably saw what most hadn't seen the first time around: A little acting by "Big Baby." No ejection for Miller. Right call.

4. Ron Garretson: The complaint about Garretson is he can sometimes come off as aloof or maybe even arrogant. But he's far more approachable than he was earlier in his career, and regardless of how you cut it, he's a hell of an official.

5. Greg Willard: I like the way Willard officiates a game. He does things by the book, doesn't bring attention to himself and commands a certain kind of respect because of his sheer size. If you're not quite sure who Willard is, that's exactly my point. He's good enough that you don't know.

6. Zach Zarba: He might be the best young official in the league – depending on how you define "young." Zarba has a terrific demeanor and a feel for the game, and he's growing into an officiating staple. He's now six years in, and he's going to be around for a lot longer.

An opinion on the best refs I found(dated though, 2009).

Obviously, I disagree witht he first choice but it amused me.


Basically, if I know your name, as an NBA referee, you're a bad referee. The only NFL referee I know is Ed Hochuli, because of his terrible call. This guy is the best NFL referee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Carey_(American_football)

He's a fucking CEO!
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
4. Ron Garretson: The complaint about Garretson is he can sometimes come off as aloof or maybe even arrogant. But he's far more approachable than he was earlier in his career, and regardless of how you cut it, he's a hell of an official.

He was a prick when Nick Van Exel shoved him, but he's one of the better ones today, for sure.
 
Reffing is a tough job though.

The action is so fast.

The only times I really think the refs are totally incompetent is on plays like that missed call about the basket interference by Oklahoma City.

Not only should it been obvious with the net moving all over the place but why couldn't they have reviewed it????

Is it an unreviewable type of play???
 

reilo

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TheGreatMightyPoo said:
Reffing is a tough job though.

The action is so fast.
That's why the lead refs shouldn't be overweight men in their 60s-70s. None of these guys are young nor healthy.
 

Jeff-DSA

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I have no idea why Violet Palmer is allowed to officiate. Games get chippy when she refs because she's so bad. Part of it is because she's too short to see well on the court, so she misses things in the lane a lot, or she just calls what she anticipates and players hate it. I've seen so many games firsthand where she's officiating and players are downright pissed throughout.
 

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Jeff-DSA said:
I have no idea why Violet Palmer is allowed to officiate. Games get chippy when she refs because she's so bad. Part of it is because she's too short to see well on the court, so she misses things in the lane a lot, or she just calls what she anticipates and players hate it. I've seen so many games firsthand where she's officiating and players are downright pissed throughout.


I believe you are just a sexist.
 
KingGondo said:
If you think that first game was bad on TV, imagine being there (which I was). Truly awful.

To go from that to where we are now in such a short period of time is pretty amazing (and unprecedented).

Haha, I bet that was horrible, did you want to leave? I actually had to turn it to a different game.

But yeah, I never liked P. J. as their coach, so when P. J. got fired and Brooks took over I was pretty happy. I actually thought they had a good chance to be a decent team the following year, with how Durant and Westbrook finished their first Thunder season, but I never expected them to almost have a chance to get the 2nd seed after only 3 years of being a 23 win team.
 

DCX

DCX
SonnyBoy said:
The Knicks had their chance and blew it. You're going to get bad calls, it's inevitable...

- Play defense
a. the backdoor alley-oop
b. who the hell was supposed to be guarding Jesus-Shuttlesworth?

- Better decision making
a. why is Melo going hawk and ignoring Amare?
b. why doesn't Melo dump the ball down to Amare at the end of the game instead of attempting a ridiculously long shot?
c. they needed 2, not 3 points.


The call wasn't good but the Knicks had their shot/s.
Tony Douglas. It was a double screen...Melo got screen by Allen which almost forced a switch where Douglas guarded Pierce ( option 1, the one i think they wanted ) Douglas did a great job shadowing and getting back to chasing Allen ( option 2 ) then got blown up by a LATE screen ( he barely got there ) which prompted Garnett to throw out the peg, which tripped Douglas...Allen was wide open having Turiaf to rotate over to contest the shot.

Game over.

DCX
 

numble

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Jeff-DSA said:
I have no idea why Violet Palmer is allowed to officiate. Games get chippy when she refs because she's so bad. Part of it is because she's too short to see well on the court, so she misses things in the lane a lot, or she just calls what she anticipates and players hate it. I've seen so many games firsthand where she's officiating and players are downright pissed throughout.
You're always the only one raging about Violet for some reason.
 
Jeff-DSA said:
I have no idea why Violet Palmer is allowed to officiate. Games get chippy when she refs because she's so bad. Part of it is because she's too short to see well on the court, so she misses things in the lane a lot, or she just calls what she anticipates and players hate it. I've seen so many games firsthand where she's officiating and players are downright pissed throughout.

I wholeheartedly agree with your statement.
 

Jeff-DSA

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numble said:
You're always the only one raging about Violet for some reason.

I've seen her ruin too many games. Bigs get into foul trouble when she's around because she thinks she's seeing a foul, but it's just her poor vision on the court.
 

numble

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Jeff-DSA said:
I've seen her ruin too many games. Bigs get into foul trouble when she's around because she thinks she's seeing a foul, but it's just her poor vision on the court.
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Blackface

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People really defending Joey Crawford?

The same guy who has been caught doing, and disciplined for shady shit his entire career?

WOW. You are all a bunch of idiots.
 

Bread

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DCX said:
Douglas did a great job shadowing and getting back to chasing Allen ( option 2 ) then got blown up by a LATE screen ( he barely got there ) which prompted Garnett to throw out the peg, which tripped Douglas...Allen was wide open having Turiaf to rotate over to contest the shot.

Game over.

DCX
I think you're giving Douglas a little too much credit on that play, he wasn't right next to Ray, and he wasn't going to make an impact on Ray's shot. It was definitely an illegal screen, but let's not act like Douglas was going to be right in Ray's face is he hadn't been tripped.
 

diddles

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Blackface said:
People really defending Joey Crawford?

The same guy who has been caught doing, and disciplined for shady shit his entire career?

WOW. You are all a bunch of idiots.

bulls fans defending joey crawford. that's what happens when you have a player that gets bail out calls all night long, you start writing odes of love to corrupt refs.
 

DCX

DCX
Bread said:
I think you're giving Douglas a little too much credit on that play, he wasn't right next to Ray, and he wasn't going to make an impact on Ray's shot. It was definitely an illegal screen, but let's not act like Douglas was going to be right in Ray's face is he hadn't been tripped.
I didn't say he was, i said he did a great job shadowing the first screen with Pierce, he didn't commit all the way to Pierce and gave Melo a chance to take over for Douglas and defend Paul.

The play calls for Garnett to screen the switcher..the great job by Douglas made Garnett try to recover and screen Douglas when he realized that Melo wasn't defending Allen on a switch..which prompted the foul that was called.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Gyw63Lq4A

Edit: If Douglas was never screened he may not have had a chance to block the shot, but Douglas could have bothered Allen especially with Ronny running at him too..i'm sure it would have decreased the % of the shot...would Ray Allen hit a three with two hands in his face, of course...but as it stands the peg leg screen allowed him a wide open look



DCX
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
Reffing is a tough job though.

The action is so fast.

The only times I really think the refs are totally incompetent is on plays like that missed call about the basket interference by Oklahoma City.

Not only should it been obvious with the net moving all over the place but why couldn't they have reviewed it????

Is it an unreviewable type of play???

The only thing I could find about if the call was reviewable or not was from refcalls.com:

That said, I would bet the refs didn’t know what to think since it’s extremely rare for this to happen, so “omission bias” kicked in and they decided not to make the call and be wrong about their interpretation. And it’s not like they could go to the replay and review it since it’s not a reviewable play!

Oh, and this:

As Tom Ziller notes, “Unfortunately for the Nuggets, offensive basket interference is not reviewable by referees; whatever the officials call in realtime stands, unless other officials immediately change the call.”
 

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Jeff-DSA said:
Is robbing LMA becoming a hobby of Stern these days?

LMA didn't really improve that much.

And I'm glad Crawford was called in to stop the BS that happened in game 1 of the Dallas series. 19-2 in FTs in the 4th? Ridiculous. Crawford will even that right up.
 
StickSoldier said:
The only thing I could find about if the call was reviewable or not was from refcalls.com:



Oh, and this:

Aha, thanks for clearing that up.

I thought that was the case because it was such a big moment at the end of a game.

Should be reviewable though, most things at that stage of the game should be.
 

Bread

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DCX said:
I didn't say he was, i said he did a great job shadowing the first screen with Pierce, he didn't commit all the way to Pierce and gave Melo a chance to take over for Douglas and defend Paul.

The play calls for Garnett to screen the switcher..the great job by Douglas made Garnett try to recover and screen Douglas when he realized that Melo wasn't defending Allen on a switch..which prompted the foul that was called.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Gyw63Lq4A

DCX
Ok I accept that, I just thought you were saying that Douglas would have been there to stop Ray from shooting if he had not been tripped. Carry on.
 
Bread said:
I think you're giving Douglas a little too much credit on that play, he wasn't right next to Ray, and he wasn't going to make an impact on Ray's shot. It was definitely an illegal screen, but let's not act like Douglas was going to be right in Ray's face is he hadn't been tripped.


It's a trip. Tripping is illegal. Should've been called immediately, no basket. Celtics would've lost right there.

Ironically, a similar thing happened in one of the first Celtics-Knicks games in the regular season...someone got fouled hard on the Knick offensive end and was knocked to the ground, but got no call. Celtics had numbers, and with only a 4 on 5, the ball quickly got to Allen for a 3 to take the lead.

I believe Gallo tied the game, and then after that Pierce stabbed hit the dagger shot, but yeah.
 

masud

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Bread said:
I think you're giving Douglas a little too much credit on that play, he wasn't right next to Ray, and he wasn't going to make an impact on Ray's shot. It was definitely an illegal screen, but let's not act like Douglas was going to be right in Ray's face is he hadn't been tripped.
Bullshit, TD would have been right there by the time Ray got his feet set. Not to mention that he almost got his hand on the pass right before getting dropped.

A loss is a loss but trying to front like the C's just out played the Knicks all night and bragging about it is pretty lame. If Melo hits that hero shot (or if they called the reach in on ray) would you say the Knicks out played C's then? That's a bullshit argument. It was a close game that the Knicks shouldn't of let get close but the result was heavily affected by two consecutive bad calls in the last minute. Let people blow off some steam about it ffs.

captmcblack said:
I believe Gallo tied the game, and then after that Pierce stabbed hit the dagger shot, but yeah.

Don't joke around about Pierce getting stabbed son. That's grounds for a banning.
 

Bread

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masud said:
A loss is a loss but trying to front like the C's just out played the Knicks all night and bragging about it is pretty lame. If Melo hits that hero shot (or if they called the reach in on ray) would you say the Knicks out played C's then? That's a bullshit argument. It was a close game that the Knicks shouldn't of let get close but the result was heavily affected by two consecutive bad calls in the last minute. Let people blow off some steam about it ffs.
Are you talking to me? I haven't said anything like that, the Knicks outplayed the Celtics in the first half, then the Celtics started playing tougher defense in the 2nd half and came back from down double digits. I don't see anyone bragging about anything either...
 
I'd easily rather have Aldridge than Love but I don't hate Love like most do on here.

But yeah, all those consecutive double double games whether they are meaningless or not, has a lot to do with what it going on.

I didn't see him all the time but for me, Lamarcus Aldridge was always that talented, it was just that he became the focal point of the offense because of Roy and whatnot and got to show what he could really do.

He dominated.
 
Love wins the Danny Granger award of "Shocking your critics with how good you are until revealing next season that you aren't actually that good and were putting up empty stats" as well. Tyreke Evans won last year's award.
 

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diddles said:
bulls fans defending joey crawford. that's what happens when you have a player that gets bail out calls all night long, you start writing odes of love to corrupt refs.

Who defended joey crawford? I said Dan Crawford was okay.
 

Derwind

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viakado said:
this is why i love steve fucking nash.
he needs to come to la and come off the bench for fisher.
he'll get a ring, and i know for a fact those hollywood whores love canadian bacon

Goddamn!!!

No doubt though, if it takes Steven Nash going to LA to win a ring, I can't see how anyone would disagree.

But why come off the bench? He's starter material!!!
 
I will say that comparing Love to Murphy is laughable though.

2011 Timberwolves were 7th in the league in rebounding despite having one the worst rebounding SFs and Cs in the league.
2009 Pacers were 19th.


Love is a Boozer-level player. How good you think that is depends though...
 
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