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2011 NBA Playoffs |OT| Don't Compare Refs to Cigarettes

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Blackface

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The Crimson Blur said:
Dwyane fucking Wade: Finals MVP, 7 time all-star, top 5 player in the world, 26-7-5 last season
Chris Bosh: 6 time all-star, averaged 24-11 last season
Udonis Haslem: all-world role player, 10-10 every night, great hustle, great rebounder
Zydrugas Ilgauskas: another amazing role player, great at defending big players, very long. Consistent and experienced.
Mike Miller: career 40% 3 pt shooter, 48% last season. Knocks down big shots.
Mike Bibby: experienced PG who knows how to run a team
James Jones: another 40% 3 pt shooter

STILL NOT ENOUGH

Lebron James can never win a ring. Any half decent scrub could win with the absurd supporting cast he has. You normally only see this type of roster in a video game.
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And yet, every stat shows the Bull's role players > the Heats.

I have also played more games in the NBA this season the Haslem has.
 
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Srsly

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The Crimson Blur said:
Dwyane fucking Wade: Finals MVP, 7 time all-star, top 5 player in the world, 26-7-5 last season
Chris Bosh: 6 time all-star, averaged 24-11 last season
Udonis Haslem: all-world role player, 10-10 every night, great hustle, great rebounder
Zydrugas Ilgauskas: another amazing role player, great at defending big players, very long. Consistent and experienced.
Mike Miller: career 40% 3 pt shooter, 48% last season. Knocks down big shots.
Mike Bibby: experienced PG who knows how to run a team
James Jones: another 40% 3 pt shooter

STILL NOT ENOUGH

Lebron James can never win a ring. Any half decent scrub could win with the absurd supporting cast he has. You normally only see this type of roster in a video game.
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You're a joke. Haslem? Using Mike Miller's stats from last year? A barely servicable flat-footed center?
 
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Duki

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bibby's been a corpse for a while, and miller has played like a washed up pussy all year. so, this year, when they played like worthless scrubs

do you guys even watch lebron play basketball

he's like, really, really good

transferring your hate of his ego into thinking he's not an amazing basketball player takes so much cognitive dissonance that i dont even fucking know anymore mang

overcast said:
Yeah his potential is insane, but Howard still hasn't developed a jumper. Those 2 players remind me a lot of each other. So I really don't know. Griffin isn't a true center to me, almost strictly a pf.
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yes he has... ish

at least earlier in the season he was regularly nailing that close range banker, its just that he never gets the chance to even shoot it because he gets like 11 attempts per game

everyone else shooting a million threes is more important you see
 
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overcast

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giri said:
Good - v.good wings are easier to find than truely great PF's/C's. Blake right now has so much potential it's insane. Ask me again in 2 years if he hasn't developed a elbow jumper.
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Yeah his potential is insane, but Howard still hasn't developed a jumper. Those 2 players remind me a lot of each other. So I really don't know. Griffin isn't a true center to me, almost strictly a pf.
 
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Blackface

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I don't even fucking like Lebron. Does nobody remember the trolling of last seasons playoffs? The gif's, images, the pure trash talking I was doing about Lebron?

But just because I don't LIKE a player, doesn't mean I can't see how talented they are.
 
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TheGreatMightyPoo

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Srsly said:
You're a joke. Haslem? Using Mike Miller's stats from last year? A barely servicable flat-footed center?
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Wait, you are underestimating Haslem???

That dude would make this team a title contender(not that they have no chance as they are now).

Haslem is really good at what he does.
 
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overcast

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This hate of Lebron is getting out of hand. He is ridiculously talented. He carried a dreadful cavs team to the finals. Come on now guys.
 
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Blackface

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The Crimson Blur said:
Because Rose makes his teammates better and Lebron makes his teammates worse.
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Except Lebron led the Cav's to a better record then this years Bulls. Are you going to argue that this years Bulls players are worse then what the Cav's had last year?
 
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Bread

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SoulPlaya said:
OK, add in Deng. All I'm saying is that those players that you identified on the Bulls as being the most important (Rose/Noah/Boozer), two of them didn't play for more than fifty games in a eighty two game season.
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Boozer played 58 games, Noah played 48, and they weren't out at the same time. The fact that the Bulls have quality players who stepped in and took their place shows the depth they have.
SoulPlaya said:
Yes, the Chicago bench is better than the Miami bench, but I think you're undervaluing the contribution of Wade and Bosh (and when did Mike Miller and Bibby become just a bunch of worthless scrubs?)
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The Bulls are a much more balanced team, they have shooters, perimeter defenders, post defenders, and post scorers. Outside of the 3, the Heat have 1 dimensional players who aren't even that good at their 1 dimension. Miller is a 3 point specialist who finished the season at 36% from 3, and Bibby has been a scrub for the past few years now.
 
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PBY

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Blackface said:
Except Lebron led the Cav's to a better record then this years Bulls. Are you going to argue that this years Bulls players are worse then what the Cav's had last year?
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boom
 
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MiamiWesker

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The Crimson Blur said:
Dwyane fucking Wade: Finals MVP, 7 time all-star, top 5 player in the world, 26-7-5 last season
Chris Bosh: 6 time all-star, averaged 24-11 last season
Udonis Haslem: all-world role player, 10-10 every night, great hustle, great rebounder
Zydrugas Ilgauskas: another amazing role player, great at defending big players, very long. Consistent and experienced.
Mike Miller: career 40% 3 pt shooter, 48% last season. Knocks down big shots.
Mike Bibby: experienced PG who knows how to run a team
James Jones: another 40% 3 pt shooter

STILL NOT ENOUGH

Lebron James can never win a ring. Any half decent scrub could win with the absurd supporting cast he has. You normally only see this type of roster in a video game.
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I like how you know the future. And udonis is hurt.

I love this now half of NBA gaf is arguing that the heat are the better team yet they are all picking the bulls to win. Make up your mind, do the heat have a crappy TEAM that wont get out of the second round or are they so amazing that you only see teams like that on video games.
 
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thekad

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Bulls wouldn't have needed the refs to squeak by a below .500 (at home) if Rose could play defense half as good as Lebron.
 
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Justin Timberlake

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I've said it before and I'll say it again put Lebron on the same team as Shaq, Duncan, Jordan, and Stockton and he still wouldn't win it all. He'd get traded midseason while the big boys try to win their ring.

Hes a ball stopper.
 
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K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
The Crimson Blur said:
Dwyane fucking Wade: Finals MVP, 7 time all-star, top 5 player in the world, 26-7-5 last season
Chris Bosh: 6 time all-star, averaged 24-11 last season
Udonis Haslem: all-world role player, 10-10 every night, great hustle, great rebounder
Zydrugas Ilgauskas: another amazing role player, great at defending big players, very long. Consistent and experienced.
Mike Miller: career 40% 3 pt shooter, 48% last season. Knocks down big shots.
Mike Bibby: experienced PG who knows how to run a team
James Jones: another 40% 3 pt shooter

STILL NOT ENOUGH

Lebron James can never win a ring. Any half decent scrub could win with the absurd supporting cast he has. You normally only see this type of roster in a video game.
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I was with you, until you called Ilgauskas amazing. Come on, he couldn't even get minutes on last year's Cavs squad. The fact that the Heat are desparate for good contribution from him is a huge knock on their roster.

overcast said:
This hate of Lebron is getting out of hand. He is ridiculously talented. He carried a dreadful cavs team to the finals. Come on now guys.
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Let's be real. The east was weak as hell that year.
 
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Derwind

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Boozer = Bosh =
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TheGreatMightyPoo

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Bread said:
Boozer played 58 games, Noah played 48, and they weren't out at the same time. The fact that the Bulls have quality players who stepped in and took their place shows the depth they have.
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Or how much Rose can carry a team.

(both is correct)
 
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giri

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overcast said:
Yeah his potential is insane, but Howard still hasn't developed a jumper. Those 2 players remind me a lot of each other. So I really don't know. Griffin isn't a true center to me, almost strictly a pf.
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It was more a reference to how hard those spots are to fill, blakes a PF.
 
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MikeTyson

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overcast said:
This hate of Lebron is getting out of hand. He is ridiculously talented. He carried a dreadful cavs team to the finals. Come on now guys.
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I would be defending LeBron down to the bitter end, but you know our general opinion on him - Clevelanders. Tend to ignore his steps.
 
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Justin Timberlake

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Blackface said:
Except Lebron led the Cav's to a better record then this years Bulls. Are you going to argue that this years Bulls players are worse then what the Cav's had last year?
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Well, first of all, comparing regular season records across different seasons is pretty stupid.

But this years Bulls team is better than any Cavs team ever was.
 
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MikeTyson

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K.Jack said:
I was with you, until you called Ilgauskas amazing. Come on, he couldn't even get minutes on last year's Cavs squad. The fact that the Heat are desparate for good contribution from him is a huge knock on their roster.


Let's be real. The east was weak as hell that year.
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Why the hell do you think the Cavaliers brought in Shaq last season? And before that Joe Smith. Or was that Ben Wallace?
 
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giri

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Blackface said:
Except Lebron led the Cav's to a better record then this years Bulls. Are you going to argue that this years Bulls players are worse then what the Cav's had last year?
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And yet, whose fault is it that they can't flesh out a TEAM with well rounded players? their own? oh, yeah.
 
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SoulPlaya

more money than God
Bread said:
Boozer played 58 games, Noah played 48, and they weren't out at the same time. The fact that the Bulls have quality players who stepped in and took their place shows the depth they have.

The Bulls are a much more balanced team, they have shooters, perimeter defenders, post defenders, and post scorers. Outside of the 3, the Heat have 1 dimensional players who aren't even that good at their 1 dimension. Miller is a 3 point specialist who finished the season at 36% from 3, and Bibby has been a scrub for the past few years now.
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I'll admit that the Bulls have greater depth, I'm just amazed at how James went from being a punk for going to a "superstar stacked" team to now playing with a bunch of scrubss that he supposedly has to carry.
 
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Blackface

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Wait, people would really want to take Blake Griffin to start a team?

He hasn't proven anything in the NBA yet, and is a shit defender.

Lets see if he can lead the Clippers to the playoffs at least one time.

His other numbers are there, but defending is what matters most.
 
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TheGreatMightyPoo

Banned
Blackface said:
But Rose is worse in almost every category compared to Lebron. Except APG, where he averages .3 more even though he is a PG.
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Stats don't win games, playmaking does.

I bet LeBron has better overall stats than Wade in most categories.

Does that mean he is better than Wade????

You probably think so...
 
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giri

Member
Blackface said:
Wait, people would really want to take Blake Griffin to start a team?

He hasn't proven anything in the NBA yet, and is a shit defender.

Lets see if he can lead the Clippers to the playoffs at least one time.

His other numbers are there, but defending is what matters most.
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Well, we can't all start with Bosh.
 
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Bread

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TheGreatMightyPoo said:
Stats don't win games, playmaking does.

I bet LeBron has better overall stats than Wade in most categories.

Does that mean he is better than Wade????

You probably think so...
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If Rose was carrying the team for so long this season, you'd expect his stats to show it...
 
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