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AMERICAN HORROR STORY: Coven |OT| When witches don't fight, we burn....

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Judderman said:
I liked the episode, but there is one thing that bugged me: When she is banging the frat guy to death, don't hospitals have the vital info at the nurses station? Wouldn't they see that he was flatlining and run in there?
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Yeah, it made about as much sense as the corresponding scene in the Dexter finale.
You can't just walk into a hospital room when a patient is in critical condition, kill them, leave your DNA all over them, and and walk out.

I hope this season isn't focused entirely on the witches. I don't want to follow supernatural people, I want to follow regular people tormented by the supernatural.
 
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Plasticine

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The opening totally sold me on this season. Absolutely crazy stuff. I really dug the whole vibe of this episode. The lighting, the mood and even the dutch angle abuse worked for me. The Emma Roberts rape scene was kind of hard. I'm glad she got her revenge. I'm curious if Lilly Rabe's role is expanded later on, or if she'll just keep appearing in these little bits and pieces for the rest of the season. I hope the rat dog somehow gets to return. It was seriously missing from Asylum.
 
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Fantastical

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So are we not getting more flashbacks? I was really hoping we would be following the main characters' relatives from that time.

Also, some of the choices really annoyed me (dutch angles, just overall weird direction), but there were some nice touches. I thought it was a nice touch when the white girl looked at the black man at the party and it faded into a circle, and also I thought the long zoom in on Zoe was great at the end.
 
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Matt_

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braves01

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Finally got around to watching it. Thoughts:

1.) some of the exposition was really terribly done

2.)
Evan Peters dying was such a troll move. Hopefully he's resurrected by Lily Rabe somehow

3.) The most disturbing thing in the episode was
the date rape scene. I had trouble watching it.
 
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Valhelm

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This show was nothing like I expected. Before I saw the episode, I assumed it would be a bleak, intensely bloody horror series with no humor and a completely serious tone. For some reason I'd been led to believe that there would be huge amounts of nudity, often paired with death and violence.

I was totally shocked at how colorful, lighthearted, and not-scary this show was. Those are all good things, though. I would never be interested in watching what I expected this show to be.
 
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braves01

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Valhelm said:
This show was nothing like I expected. Before I saw the episode, I assumed it would be a bleak, intensely bloody horror series with no humor and a completely serious tone. For some reason I'd been led to believe that there would be huge amounts of nudity, often paired with death and violence.

I was totally shocked at how colorful, lighthearted, and not-scary this show was. Those are all good things, though. I would never be interested in watching what I expected this show to be.
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Welcome to the insanity. Yeah, despite the name, it's WAY more campy than you'd expect. Only parts of the early episodes of the first season were remotely scary to me, mostly because like you I was expecting something that closely resembled the "horror" movies I'd seen before. The title sequence will probably be the scariest thing all season, lol.
 
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braves01 said:
Welcome to the insanity. Yeah, despite the name, it's WAY more campy than you'd expect. Only parts of the early episodes of the first season were remotely scary to me, mostly because like you I was expecting something that closely resembled the "horror" movies I'd seen before. The title sequence will probably be the scariest thing all season, lol.
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The really only scary thing in the entire episode was the man with no face. Everything else was peppered with humor.

I expected enormous levels of artsy, disgusting gore. Nude girls' bodies draped on tree branches, leaking blood... corpses with maggots under their eyelids.... shriveled, abandoned babies with bleeding eyes who scream for their mothers...
 
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TheSeks

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Valhelm said:
The really only scary thing in the entire episode was the man with no face. Everything else was peppered with humor.

I expected enormous levels of artsy, disgusting gore. Nude girls' bodies draped on tree branches, leaking blood... corpses with maggots under their eyelids.... shriveled, abandoned babies with bleeding eyes who scream for their mothers...
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Those will come soon enough, I'm sure. We're just starting. The camp/creep factor hasn't been ratcheted up yet.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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Just started the episode.

um... Kathy Bates is gonna be fucked up. The blood, man. The blood.

Oh shit, this show's gonna be messy.

Oh God, I did not think we were gonna go past Django territory here. Christ, this is horrific.

What the fuck fucking minotaur Jesus. Eugh.

New intro is freaky.

Oh God, Taissa and Evan are back? Nooooooooo, no more teen love, please!

Oh, well that put an end to that. Being a witch sucks, hahaha. Make a dude's face explode.

Um... Are these albino black guys? That all vanished.

Bitches.

Hey, its Lana Banana!
 
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Discotheque

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wait til you get to jessica lange witchslapping emma roberts.

i felt like a pop-gaf member for a split second after that scene.

howling, spilled tea, checked her receipts etc. etc.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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They burned her? The fuck.

Oh God, another throw everything including the kitchen sink thing? Hu,am experimentation and DNA modification? Uggghhhh.

But hey! Jessica Lange. This dude's gonna die.

Typical Lange. In a Gadda whatever, lol. But man, this isn't gonna end well.

Oh, what a bitch.

Lange and the other blonde teen. Biiiiiiiiiitch.

Queenie's awesome. Man, these people are psychos.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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Oh God, and now Evan Peters is here. As a jock. Please no teen romance. Pleeeeeeeease. I hope Zoe has sex with him and kills him right now.

Didn't see the gang rape coming. Eh, not sympathetic for the dead guys.

Digging the all black ensemble. Hilarious.

But then it got dark again.
 
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Zertez

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braves01 said:
Finally got around to watching it. Thoughts:


2.)
Evan Peters dying was such a troll move. Hopefully he's resurrected by Lily Rabe somehow
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Going by the long preview at the end of the episode, he will be back in some form. They show some of the witches building a Frankenstein boy using his head and other parts.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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Ok, so that was... good? Yeah, that was good. First season, I never finished. The first episode wasn't great either. Second season was a clusterfuck, but watchable, but relentlessly suffocating.

But I dunno, this one was really, really good. I really liked the opener. I like the characters. Great villainous character in Kathy Bates (fucking disturbing) and potentially Lange. Like Lana Banana. Don't mind Taissa as Zoe. All the witches being bitches is kinda funny. Equal parts dark and amusing and then dark again.

First one where my attention was more on the show than on my phone or tablet or whatever, as was the case during large portions of Seasons 1 and 2.

Really liked this opener.

Discotheque said:
wait til you get to jessica lange witchslapping emma roberts.

i felt like a pop-gaf member for a split second after that scene.

howling, spilled tea, checked her receipts etc. etc.
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So much GIF material, man.

RatskyWatsky said:
Fixed.
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Lol. True.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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I'm catching up with the thread. I did not know that Emma Roberts was dating Evan Petersen. Or that she assaulted him. Or that she's probably a serious bitch in real life if some other rumors are accurate. Unless I'm confusing her with someone else.

I don't foresee Emma Roberts in Season 4 of American Horror Story.

Also, this happened. I'm not surprised. Oh, internet.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/6639...-rape-scene-cheered-on-by-emma-roberts-haters

Thanks to the American Horror Story: Coven premiere, the TV ratings system needs a new warning. The TV-MA (a.k.a. "don't watch this if you're under 14 and your parents are home, otherwise carry on") rating isn't hacking it. We need TV-EMA, TV for the emotionally mature. During the season premiere of AHS: Coven, it became clear that only harm can come from certain fans enjoying the sinister show when groups of them began cheering on the rape of Madison Montgomery (Emma Roberts) via Twitter.

The scene in question — which might be one of the most brutal rape scenes on recent television outside of Sons of Anarchy — finds Roberts' character, a snobbish former starlet, being drugged and gang raped by a series of sloppy, laughing frat boys until Evan Peters' Kyle rushes in to stop them. The perspectives in the scene are what make it so invasively difficult to watch: Its shot from angles that align our view with that of the victim, watching ghoulish goons hump happily while Madison is rendered helpless but not unconscious by the drugs they slipped her. Despite the deplorable attitude exhibited by Roberts' character before she's drugged, it's certainly not a scene worthy of whooping it up. This scene is not about a brat being punished for her brattiness; there is no excuse or reason for this violation. It's senseless brutality, plain and simple, and it's a crime strong enough to awaken the witch in Zoe, who later exacts her revenge on the disgusting lead frat boy by having sex with him until he dies. (Quick background information reminder: Zoe's lady parts are toxic and kill anyone who has sex with her.)

Yet, somehow, some fans took to Twitter, expressing joy at the brutality of the scene — many of them because they dislike Roberts as an actress. "So happy @RobertsEmma got frat raped in #AmericanHorrorStory her acting is so lame. But that was funny. I'm going to hell, wait...I'm here," tweeted one fan. "Emma Roberts getting gang-date raped, sweet," wrote another. Some folks even identified with the college boys doing the dastardly deed, "Shit, I would drug Emma Roberts just to have sex with her," or wished the real version of the scene upon the actress saying, "i hope emma roberts gets raped." The callousness of these reactions varied, but one truly disturbing element remains a current throughout: These people think rape is a joke.

The thing is, I thought we already covered this when Daniel Tosh has his public flogging for telling a female audience member it would be funny if she got raped. It opened up months upon months of public debate, with much of the crusade led by Jezebel writer Lindy West, who deftly debated comedian Jim Norton on the topic of rape humor. She argues:

I believe that the way we speak about things and the type of media we consume profoundly influences how we think about the world ... I do believe that comedy's current permissiveness around cavalier, cruel, victim-targeting rape jokes contributes to (that's contributes—not causes) a culture of young men who don't understand what it means to take this stuff seriously.

The response to West's fantastic, educated, conscientious arguments was a barrage of comments that "that big bitch is bitter no one wants to rape her" or "wouldn't the best ending be that Jim Norton rapes the fat girl," completely proving her point.

Now, in response to a truly disturbing moment on television, the cavalier masses strike again, proving that West's (and my) fears are very real. Troves of young people — men and women, alike — find no issue with joking about rape, fundamentally detaching themselves from the true weight of the word and allowing themselves to turn it into a vehicle for a few measly retweets. They've found enough detachment from the word "rape" as they have from accepting that Roberts is a real person and that acting is her job, not a mystical veil that turns her into plastic so she can safely absorb threatening Internet comments.

The fact that social media allows users to lob these hateful comments from an often impenetrable barricade, behind which they can safely snicker, only heightens the desire to test the limits of what they can say and get away with. Certainly, that element of social media is a big piece of why comments like these continue to crop up. But to say that there isn't a larger issue here, in which young people seem to hold some lighter definition of rape in their minds which they reserve for jokes and pithy quips and keep as far away from its true meaning, would be missing the point.

Some portion of our larger comedic discourse made these people think these "jokes" are alright. Something is suggesting that cheering on rape is hilarious as long as you're not actually doing it. And something in this picture is terribly, terribly wrong.
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That witch is a bitch, but come on people, cheering on rape is fucked up.

ganon said:
LOL, NotTheGuyYouKill. Your live watch reaction was fun XD
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I try, haha.
 
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RatskyWatsky

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Just finished the premiere. It was glorious, dutch angles and all.

Even Taissa Farmiga was alright after her shaky monologue at the beginning. The only thing I wonder about is whether they'll be able to build tension like season 2. The torturing by Kathy Bates and Emma Roberts' rape were horrific, but the main setting itself isn't in any way oppressive or unsettling like Briarcliff or the "murder house." Seems like a strange turn for the concept, but of course things could change drastically.

On the plus side, as opposed to season 1 where I just wanted to turn away and get those people off my screen, I can't wait to see more from the cast here. I can already feel a very enjoyable dynamic and we're only getting started.

And my god, the camp. The sweet, beautiful camp. I can't wait for next week.
 
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dan2026

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I truly feel that they would do anything in this show, good or bad at the very least it has an edge.

I don't know why we don';t get more shows like it. But if the ratings hold, maybe we will.
 
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Discotheque

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dan2026 said:
I truly feel that they would do anything in this show, good or bad at the very least it has an edge.

I don't know why we don';t get more shows like it. But if the ratings hold, maybe we will.
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anthology shows? i fucking NEED a sci-fi anthology program on HBO or another cable channel (that's not AMC)
 
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Discotheque said:
anthology shows? i fucking NEED a sci-fi anthology program on HBO or another cable channel (that's not AMC)
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Not just an anthology show. But shows with a bit of bite and a bit of flare.

There is too much middling rubbish and not enough shows carving their own identity.
 
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Zertez

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Not sure why, but I didnt find the rape scene as unsettling as the scenes with Kathy Bates, the slaves in cages for their body parts and the minotaur. Maybe I was just sort of numb after the Kathy Bates attic scene. Murder House and the Asylum were unsettling backdrops, but Im sure New Orleans will be as well especially if they visit some of the abandon places from Katrina. New Orleans is filled with creepy locations of buildings that were evacuated for Katrina and no one bothered to return, so the buildings are just decaying. There was plenty of creepy locations in New Orleans before Katrina, but now there is blocks of creepy places to film. Angela Bassets role was pretty small last night, but Im sure her role will get very dark and unsettling when they get into voodoo magic and the places she hangs out in.
 
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Matt_

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I'm surprised to no see much talk on the witch that got burnt at the stake
It was a modern times thing which was crazy barbaric. I can't believe that anyone would burn someone at the stake in modern day America, it just seemed so sadistic

I don't think she is dead. I think her powers will rejuvenate her and she'll come back and resurrect the love affair properly
 
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cory64

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Matt_ said:
I'm surprised to no see much talk on the witch that got burnt at the stake
It was a modern times thing which was crazy barbaric. I can't believe that anyone would burn someone at the stake in modern day America, it just seemed so sadistic

I don't think she is dead. I think her powers will rejuvenate her and she'll come back and resurrect the love affair properly
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She's listed in the main cast so there's no way she's gone. Same with Evan Peters.
 
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Matt_

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cory64 said:
She's listed in the main cast so there's no way she's gone. Same with Evan Peters.
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Definitely then. Next episode will be a botch job trying to bring him back and then she'll return at the end to save the day.
Although how they'll explain it to the general public I don't know
 
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thuGG_pl

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I'm rather disappointed by first episode:/
Not really into this whole witches idea, also killing by having sex is awkward.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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RatskyWatsky said:
Interesting choice of words. Hm.



"Someone says something horrible about someone else on the internet!!!! News at 11!"
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I am fully aware of the Gabe Theory of the Internet

greaterinternetfuckwadtheory.jpg
 
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Matt_

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johnny_park said:
Is this show worth marathoning? I need a new show to watch.
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Yes definitely. I watched series 1 in little over a day I think, completely gripped me
As the op states you don't need series 1 or 2 to watch this series, but they are definitely worth a watch

edit; regarding the promo photos
I see a certain burnt witch has risen from her fiery grave. #mysticmatt strikes again
 
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Replicant

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Nemesis_ said:
Yes, she's signed on. We don't know anything about who she's playing yet - she did an interview saying her character was notably different but that's all we know.
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I read somewhere that she's supposed to play
Frances Conroy's younger self. Again
. Grain of salt and all that, of course.
 
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RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Replicant said:
I read somewhere that she's supposed to play
Frances Conroy's younger self. Again
. Grain of salt and all that, of course.
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That would be really interesting, especially considering the fact that
she played the "sexy" version of Conroy's character in Murder House.
 
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indigo-cyclops

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this will no doubt be my favorite season. The setup , the source material. And my god at that beautifully shot, completely bizarre intro title sequence. Best yet. This show never stops delivering. My only complaint from episode one. The music/score felt off. I hope they change it up a bit.

Pulled in and cant let go.
 
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