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December Wrasslin' |OT2| I dec-declare this territory owned by the Holy Roman Empire

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Jimmy King

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Crayjay Lee said:
But did they have it to begin with?
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Alucard said:
Or an indy wrestler gets his wings.
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Only for them to get clipped off when they go for the brass ring.
 
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bean breath

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hunchback said:
First time watching WWE and Raw in over 10 years. Wow. I don't quite know what to say. Who are the announcer's now? I'm pretty sure I heard Lawler but didn't recognize anyone else. I can't believe Big Show is still working. Almost the same look, along with the same move set. I will post more impressions later.
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This week was a good jumping on point for new and lapsed fans. Buckle up and enjoy the ride, pal.
 
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bean breath

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Frecklestein said:
That's one of the few good things about the Attitude Era. You fucking had OPTIONS. Rock, Austin, HHH, Taker, Foley, Jericho and a few others that would pop up and go back to mid-card. But most of those guys could main event a PPV and you wouldn't bat an eye.

Why wouldn't you want to have everyone being over as fuck and being huge merch monsters? Sell all those Rocky shirts, sell all those have a nice day shirts, sell those Austin 3:16's etc; Nowadays? "Someone is selling as much or is close to Cena in sales? Punish him".

They don't listen to their audience. They don't care what you want. If anyone hasn't realized this for 10 years, then I don't know what more you want to prove to you that nothing is going to ever change until they're on the ropes. Listening to the fans is a backup plan. Giving us the least possible to get by and make profit is what they're going to do till they can't do that anymore. Plain and simple.

HHH is doing a great Job running NXT and I hope when Vince is gone, that carries over to the main product. Because the audience isn't fucking stupid. We shouldn't be fucking embarrassed to tell people we follow your product. Wrestling has shown it can be something captivating and can tell stories in ways many other forms of media and entertainment can't.

You should fucking WANT your whole roster to get over "oh but if everyone is over, then nobody will be boo'd" Yes they will, because you'll have some fucking character loyalty. I dont want MY favorite to lose to yours, even though I like him. That's how it was growing up.

The product is far too stale and predictable. And they have ZERO fear of competition. The own the market that they're in. They don't HAVE to try, and people are still going to eat it up. People are still going to tune in with hopes that it MIGHT change. And that's what was so fucking compelling about the CM Punk pipe bomb angle. It came right in such a stale period of time. Cena had gone through so many people that he was main eventing with motherfuckin' R-TRUTH FOR FUCKSAKES. It pulled in a ton of people and made them pay attention to the product. I remember how RAW was excruciating to wait for week after week. Now I just watch it because I feel obligated to.

I liken my relationship to wrestling, more specifically WWE because sadly, being Canadian, and lacking a credit card and what disposable income I have goes to shit more satisfying than a shitty PPV or ugly merch-- I liken it to an abusive relationship. I love WWE. I love pro-wrestling. Growing up I ADORED the fuck out of it. I made a lot of my friends in grade school because of it. I made a lot of friends in middle and high school because of it. Tons of fun buying the games, watching matches, having our own matches when we were kids, creating our own characters in No Mercy all that shit. I have so much fond memories of it. When it's good, it's great. But it's turned into this terrible, stale and just boring product that I'm so fucking sick and tired of, and I'll keep coming back no matter how poorly it treats me (the fans), in hopes that it'll change. That it'll go back to the way it once was when we first met.

I seriously don't know how much longer I can seriously last when they're priming Roman to just step into Cena's sneakers. I really don't think I can take another ten years of one dude just fucking killing everyone. They have so much talent, so many others with POTENTIAL, but they can't capitalize on it because they don't get any time to improve on the mic, they can't grow their character for us to be attached to them because they aren't on TV and since they're bad on the stick, they can't convey their character and their motives properly, so it falls flat.

You can't throw some seeds on cement during the winter and tell it to grow, then when they try to make some effort to do so, you cut off anything it grew. You punish it for it trying to do what it's told.

Not even to mention what the women have to go through. They're seen as a piss break. They get just as less time. They're only allowed one segment unless a woman is involved in another storyline, but she can only be a love interest in that male storyline. They're given five minutes tops to tell a story, they botch a lot because they're quickly running through a match. Like the mid-card and under men, but with FAR less time. And I can't imagine how insulting it is for you to bust your fucking ass off, to try and be a WRESTLER, but to be relegated to a love interest, a slutty halloween costume battle royale, or if you're lucky, you get to carry around this girly trinket called a CHAMPIONSHIP BELT. And why the fuck is it a Diva? Why not Women's? Why can't they get just as much respect as the men..?

Fuck. This isn't even scratching the surface on all the backstage politics, the racism, homophobia and just straight up toxic backstage environment these people have to work in. Not to mention they don't even have a union.
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Frecklestein is Canadian?
 
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Trigger Warning

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Frecklestein said:
That's one of the few good things about the Attitude Era. You fucking had OPTIONS. Rock, Austin, HHH, Taker, Foley, Jericho and a few others that would pop up and go back to mid-card. But most of those guys could main event a PPV and you wouldn't bat an eye.

Why wouldn't you want to have everyone being over as fuck and being huge merch monsters? Sell all those Rocky shirts, sell all those have a nice day shirts, sell those Austin 3:16's etc; Nowadays? "Someone is selling as much or is close to Cena in sales? Punish him".

They don't listen to their audience. They don't care what you want. If anyone hasn't realized this for 10 years, then I don't know what more you want to prove to you that nothing is going to ever change until they're on the ropes. Listening to the fans is a backup plan. Giving us the least possible to get by and make profit is what they're going to do till they can't do that anymore. Plain and simple.

HHH is doing a great Job running NXT and I hope when Vince is gone, that carries over to the main product. Because the audience isn't fucking stupid. We shouldn't be fucking embarrassed to tell people we follow your product. Wrestling has shown it can be something captivating and can tell stories in ways many other forms of media and entertainment can't.

You should fucking WANT your whole roster to get over "oh but if everyone is over, then nobody will be boo'd" Yes they will, because you'll have some fucking character loyalty. I dont want MY favorite to lose to yours, even though I like him. That's how it was growing up.

The product is far too stale and predictable. And they have ZERO fear of competition. The own the market that they're in. They don't HAVE to try, and people are still going to eat it up. People are still going to tune in with hopes that it MIGHT change. And that's what was so fucking compelling about the CM Punk pipe bomb angle. It came right in such a stale period of time. Cena had gone through so many people that he was main eventing with motherfuckin' R-TRUTH FOR FUCKSAKES. It pulled in a ton of people and made them pay attention to the product. I remember how RAW was excruciating to wait for week after week. Now I just watch it because I feel obligated to.

I liken my relationship to wrestling, more specifically WWE because sadly, being Canadian, and lacking a credit card and what disposable income I have goes to shit more satisfying than a shitty PPV or ugly merch-- I liken it to an abusive relationship. I love WWE. I love pro-wrestling. Growing up I ADORED the fuck out of it. I made a lot of my friends in grade school because of it. I made a lot of friends in middle and high school because of it. Tons of fun buying the games, watching matches, having our own matches when we were kids, creating our own characters in No Mercy all that shit. I have so much fond memories of it. When it's good, it's great. But it's turned into this terrible, stale and just boring product that I'm so fucking sick and tired of, and I'll keep coming back no matter how poorly it treats me (the fans), in hopes that it'll change. That it'll go back to the way it once was when we first met.

I seriously don't know how much longer I can seriously last when they're priming Roman to just step into Cena's sneakers. I really don't think I can take another ten years of one dude just fucking killing everyone. They have so much talent, so many others with POTENTIAL, but they can't capitalize on it because they don't get any time to improve on the mic, they can't grow their character for us to be attached to them because they aren't on TV and since they're bad on the stick, they can't convey their character and their motives properly, so it falls flat.

You can't throw some seeds on cement during the winter and tell it to grow, then when they try to make some effort to do so, you cut off anything it grew. You punish it for it trying to do what it's told.

Not even to mention what the women have to go through. They're seen as a piss break. They get just as less time. They're only allowed one segment unless a woman is involved in another storyline, but she can only be a love interest in that male storyline. They're given five minutes tops to tell a story, they botch a lot because they're quickly running through a match. Like the mid-card and under men, but with FAR less time. And I can't imagine how insulting it is for you to bust your fucking ass off, to try and be a WRESTLER, but to be relegated to a love interest, a slutty halloween costume battle royale, or if you're lucky, you get to carry around this girly trinket called a CHAMPIONSHIP BELT. And why the fuck is it a Diva? Why not Women's? Why can't they get just as much respect as the men..?

Fuck. This isn't even scratching the surface on all the backstage politics, the racism, homophobia and just straight up toxic backstage environment these people have to work in. Not to mention they don't even have a union.
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Fox318

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Sibersk Esto said:
What is it with wrestling canadians coming together and turning evil?
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Cheap pop.

Unless you are a hockey fan that really hates a Canadian team there will never be true heat between the US and Canada(From an american perspective).

What issues cause tension between the US and Canada really?

Luber and oil exports?
Screwjob?
Healthcare?
American culture dominating Canadian culture and being able to outspend them?
Gretzky trade?
 
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PInk Tape

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jred2k said:
What about the massive build to the final one on one match with Cena vs. Orton aka the match of our generation. And Punk leaving. Oh and Jake Roberts coming back on old school Raw.
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1.) It was so amazing that I forgot about it. Oh and what year it was.
2.) He was going to have a feud at WM with Kane. In 2014. Kane.
3.) It was awesome to see him again; he looked like he was having fun too. I'm happy to see him still doing well.
 
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Nekofrog

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some of the absolute best matches in the attitude era were when two red hot baby faces would clash, and you could tell the audience was mega into it
 
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Sibersk Esto

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Fox318 said:
Cheap pop.

Unless you are a hockey fan that really hates a Canadian team there will never be true heat between the US and Canada(From an american perspective).

What issues cause tension between the US and Canada really?

Luber and oil exports?
Screwjob?
Healthcare?
American culture dominating Canadian culture and being able to outspend them?
Gretzky trade?
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burning down the white house during the war of 1812?
 
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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm gonna need to see the receipts on WWE ever telling a good story ever that wasn't just a rip-off of a real life storyline.
 
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PInk Tape

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I think the reason I'm forgetting stuff is that I watched the Raws weekly and everything just sort of blended together. Like some sort of mystery lunch.
 
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bean breath

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Ninja Scooter said:
I want to believe that the WWE are self-aware about how dumb Ascension looks, and their gimmick is going to be that of an 80s tag team stuck in modern times, like Anchorman or some shit. I just can't believe somebody at WWE watched the first promo they did and were like "Man that was sick as fuck lets do another one". Then again...WWE.
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Why didn't they show this on Hulu?
 
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avengers23

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Fox318 said:
Cheap pop.

Unless you are a hockey fan that really hates a Canadian team there will never be true heat between the US and Canada(From an american perspective).

What issues cause tension between the US and Canada really?

Luber and oil exports?
Screwjob?
Healthcare?
American culture dominating Canadian culture and being able to outspend them?
Gretzky trade?
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Lingering resentment from all the booze that flowed from Canada during Prohibition, which has now translated to prescription drugs that spill over from Canada.
 
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XenoRaven

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strobogo said:
Now now, you two. Shake or hug it out.





My favorite Michael Jordan moment:
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I was at that game. The pop was incredible.
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ESPN did some show awhile back where they got a bunch of their NBA correspondents in a room together to discuss legendary NBA moments. This moment came up and they asked Reggie about it and he basically said he knew refs don't like to blow the whistle at the end of games so he just shoved the fuck out of Jordan to get open. Steve Kerr was in the room and he seemed legitimately upset over Reggie's unapologetic attitude. It was pretty funny.
 
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