Charlotte vs Banks was better than any match on that PPV. Meltzer still seems hesitant to give praise to NXT, I could tell during his shows with Alvarez.
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Charlotte vs Banks was better than any match on that PPV. Meltzer still seems hesitant to give praise to NXT, I could tell during his shows with Alvarez.
Sibersk Esto
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FallingEdge's Lethal Lottery entry sickens me.
reptilescorpio
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I'd probably go
TLC:
Cena vs Rollins 2.5
Harper vs Ziggler 3
Bray vs Ambrose 2.5
NXT:
Ascension vs Finn and Hideo: 3
Charlotte vs Banks: 4
Sami vs Neville: 5
Might be overrating the NXT matches though due to how much of a good mindset I was in at the time compared to the tedium of TLC outside the good matches.
TLC:
Cena vs Rollins 2.5
Harper vs Ziggler 3
Bray vs Ambrose 2.5
NXT:
Ascension vs Finn and Hideo: 3
Charlotte vs Banks: 4
Sami vs Neville: 5
Might be overrating the NXT matches though due to how much of a good mindset I was in at the time compared to the tedium of TLC outside the good matches.
I feel like a ton of the people who cover it were like that.
I heard a few people complain about the Vaudevillens match because "there was no heat on the heels".
Meanwhile the match was awesome and the crowd was going apeshit.
FallingEdge
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Jimmy King
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So weird there's no news on the Bryan stuff.
He was in praise of the show, more than each individual match. Because he pretty much said TLC sucked, even if it had three good matches, and REvolution was great, because of how well paced and structured it was. He was super critical of the match order of TLC, that it really hurt the show.
Generally he says NXT is the best part of WWE each week, even if the TV has filler episodes once or twice per month.
He called the NXT one of the best WWE shows of the year. Plus he almost gave 5 stars to the Zayn vs Neville match. I just think he underrated the women's match.
Its funny some say he is hesitant while here its very easy to give in to the hate even if the match is good. Those 3 TLC matches are good but how Raw is going seems to cloud people's judgment.
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I think the big underlying issue is that it's the minor leagues, no matter how we feel about how good it is, it does get booked like an afterthought and they do throwaway and quick heel turns, etc - just because they want to prepare people, as opposed to telling the best POSSIBLE story. Of course 1 person writing the goddamn thing makes it come out much better anyway, but it's still developmental, and honestly I don't think should be taken as 'seriously' as the real WWE show does. I love NXT but I understand. It's a sandbox.
My take:
TLC
Cena vs Rollins: C+
Harper vs Ziggler: B-
Bray vs Ambrose: C+
NXT
Ascension vs Finn and Hideo: B+
Charlotte vs Banks: A-
Sami vs Neville: A
Pop-O-Matic
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Only way I'd accept a clean sweep Royal Rumble is if Brock was the one who did it after his tune-up match with Cena.
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I wasn't as enamored with Itami/Balor vs Ascension. I felt the match itself was mostly boring, honestly, and Itami was stuck in a poor spot for most of it with no opportunity to shine. As a Balor vehicle the match was great, but there's 3 others in there that needed to "say" something and all 3 were muted compared to Balor.
Cena has been the only guy in their history that was promoted to the main card / top spot that wasn't over with the majority of fans.
Austin would have never gotten pushed had it not been for those Austin 3:16 signs.
They almost fucked up the Rock with the super clean image.
Had it not been for this sign and a injury giving him time to reboot he never would have become The Rock
Bryan was over with nearly everybody and they thought that Batista-Orton was gonna be huge.
It needs to be a mixture of fan support and what you think will be best for business.
Part of it is how a person is booked/written but you need support from your audience.
Consider the treatment and quality of OVW/DSW/HWA to NXT. Consider how Sami winning the NXT Championship felt bigger than any title win in WWE except Bryan at WM. That wouldn't happen with just another minor league. It's less minor league and more alternate universe where booking is logical, titles matter, and women get to wrestle.
Itami came out of that match looking like just another dude. Which is bad.
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Philly's not gonna do shit.
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Oh certainly, and I agree, but I see why people would feel that NXT has considerably less weight and meaning.
TimeEffect
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Wait. What if this actually happens at WM?
Eh, it was fun. I really enjoyed the match. And that pop for the teased Go 2 Sleep was amazing.
reptilescorpio
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Yeah felt the same way, even as a Balor fanboy. Itami deserved better, maybe throw a few more spots his way in that match. Ascension didn't really shine at all.
The Rumble is the other PPV that gets a lot of travelling fans, so expect a pretty hardcore audience.
Wait Meltzer was doing all that bitching and complaining about Charlotte getting a loss on Raw but, Gives her match only 3 and a 1/2 stars? Oh man...
And yes at least 4 star minimum. That was the second best match on that card to me. They threw down hard.
But he gives 5 stars and high praise to shitty legit indie matches. WWE developmental seems a step up from say...PWG or something. Seems weird to somehow not count the good booking and great matches from NXT because it is a developmental company when he would highly praise the same things if they were real indies.
Consider AJ vs Nikki got three quarters of a star by comparison.
Cena has been the only guy in their history that was promoted to the main card / top spot that wasn't over with the majority of fans.
Austin would have never gotten pushed had it not been for those Austin 3:16 signs.
They almost fucked up the Rock with the super clean image.
Had it not been for this sign and a injury giving him time to reboot he never would have become The Rock
Bryan was over with nearly everybody and they thought that Batista-Orton was gonna be huge.
It needs to be a mixture of fan support and what you think will be best for business.
Part of it is how a person is booked/written but you need support from your audience.
You're right, except for one thing: Cena was over with the majority of the crowd (and universally loved by the live crowd) when he got the title at Mania 21 from JBL. What happened afterwards is a totally different story, BUT Cena was over when he became 'The Guy'.
He has to have been drunk or something.
Pretty sure Bryan would not have scored it like that.
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Which match? AJ/Nikki? That match was shit, and had a terrible ending.
IMO, Itami's biggest problem is that his entire moveset was stolen by other main eventers (namely, Punk and Bryan). So a lot of his moveset might be taken away from him because they want to differentiate him, and right now just looks like another dude till they figure out what moveset they want him to do. Add in that they will want him to learn at least passable English before they promote him and that NXT has five potential stars already (Owens, Zayn, Neville, Charlotte, Balor) raring to go, it may not be the worst idea to keep Itami on the backburner till after some spots open up for him near the top of the card.
Honestly; I'd say let him take his moveset back. Flying Knees and GTSs for everyone. Hell, if they want to give him the pop of his life, next time they go to Chicago, have Itami be in a match and GTS someone. That pop will be monstrous.
I just now realized I misread your post. For some reason I read it as 3 3/4.
I'm gonna blame the meds.
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Mine falls under the nonfurry or gross av as well, friend.
Well what he has going is he is not part time and there is no Daniel Bryan situation as of now.
If you want to make stuff easier for him one don't let him throw out any faces that could lead to him getting booed. Also, if Daniel Bryan is ready to come back hold him to after the rumble. Cause if he is in it and Reigns throws him out then it will be chaos.
The thing with Bryan one of his flaws on being a top guy he is too much of a wrestling fan who has been given this dream of being a top guy. So it seems like he doesn't complain if angles he is given sucks.
He just needs what the shield guys have of marching into Vince's office saying this sucks and gets stuff changed. Cause he should of read that Kane thing with the car and pulled an Undertaker of crumpling up the script and throwing it into the trash.
They would just chant CM Punk though
Jimmy King
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Bryan will pretty much be his own worst enemy if he ever comes back. Crowd is there for him but won't be if he lets them do night after night of neckbrace.gif
Oh hell no. Three quarters of a star, same rating as the Chairs match.
On the Takeover match he said:
He also had a paragraph on why the presentation of the women's match as the co-main event needs to be a thing on the main roster and the idea of "women not drawing" is complete bullshit.
Which it is, people only think that in wrestling because of decades of WWE booking them as a sideshow at best, and a contractual obligation at worst.
Frecklestein
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Let him go on a verbal tirade saying how former talents had taken his moves, turn him heel and have him express how he's taking them back. With Bryan's jank neck, should he return can have a match for the running knee, and it'll be a good way to write it out of Bryan's moveset and replace it with something safer for him.
Or if Bryan can't perform anymore, he can cut a promo and put Itami over, and when someone confronts them, Itami can hit the dude with a running knee as a "tribute" to Bryan. To the casual fan, it'll be like a passing of the torch, along the lines of Flair passing the figure four to the Miz
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GTS will be tougher to hand back because its so ingrained with Punk now. So I dunno.
Cena was more over in the lead up to WM than he actually was at WM. The crowd was dead, chanted boring, and barely reacted when he won the title. From that point on, fans turned on him pretty hard once he got drafted to Raw.
Frecklestein
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I'm more excited to see the legit ones rather than the cringe worthy shit, honestly. I said it yesterday, but I wish I could team up with two people and each can submit a Joey, Jamie and Seth avatar, all from the same photo. I think it'd be great.
Probably because the match wasn't very good and Cena was already going into Super Cena/CENAWINSLOL territory. If I recall, JBL beat him up in a boring manner for ten minutes then he won with an AA outta nowhere. He was already losing some of the edge that got him over in favour of being a superman.
Compare it to the main event of WM 21, which probably wasn't that great as a match, but it was a much better story and got over more (and it had the superior storyline leading into WM anyway).
reptilescorpio
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They can change his name to CM Itami, that would work.
Is that when HHH brings back the kiss my ass club?
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