No, it as 1080p at 4xMSAA. The resolution of the geometry was rendered at 4K res, not the internal framebuffer
Digital Foundry PS4 Pro Launch Coverage Begins
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No, it as 1080p at 4xMSAA. The resolution of the geometry was rendered at 4K res, not the internal framebuffer
So you're just gonna beat this drum in every Pro thread aren't you
WE ALL WOULD LOVE EVERY GAME TO HAVE 60FPS
THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS
I know HDMI 2.0 cable is already included in the Pro box but will this cable also be sufficient enough for 4K HDR 60fps as advertised?
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=15427
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=15427
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Do you have any experience of the Amazon basics line of HDMI cables? I want to replace a few of mine but not sure where to start.
In the video 9:29 and onwards.
Richard said asked Mark Cerny if they upclocked one half of the GPU and Cerny said that they haven't increased the clock-speed when it runs unpatched games, Richard also said that he asked them if they even tested with the higher clocks and apparently then said "apparently not".
I'd love to know how many ROPs the PS4 Pro's GPU has.
This is such a Sony thing to do
Wishmaster92
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Thank you digital foundry
inpHilltr8r
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and succeeding!
(never understand this sort of comment, YOURE BUYING IT WRONG, geez)
Ha ha, have no fear.
plagiarize
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Just finished watching the whole video. Very interesting tech discussion imho. I eagerly await more information.
I also found it pretty interesting that Richard doesn't expect the Pro to do as much for gen 1 PSVR games as it will the second generation. Maybe I've got more time to buy this thing than I suspected.
I also found it pretty interesting that Richard doesn't expect the Pro to do as much for gen 1 PSVR games as it will the second generation. Maybe I've got more time to buy this thing than I suspected.
Eh you're right. Honestly I am probably spending too much time in Pro threads and I'm tired
kriskrosbbk
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Exactly my thoughts.That would be quite unfortunate.
Wishmaster92
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I think it's interesting how tomb raider has a high framerate mode on the pro (i think the developer said north of 45-50 fps when the pro was announced) and now it is up to 60fps so probably unlocked. It's obviously a pretty game with impressive effects so i do wonder how they got a higher framerate mode and other developers haven't.
GhostOfSparta305
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Jak & Daxter say hi.
On PlayStation 2
Inuhanyou said:
...and?
Inuhanyou said:
Thus proving hardware was never the issue.
Caayn
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I can't imagine that Sony won't put a compatible cable in the box.
And it's all the better for it. The game plays like a dream.
All games are different. Also different developers have different priorities
Well, CPU-bound scenarios might get a (modest) boost because of the slightly higher clockspeed of the PS4 Pro. It could bring a game closer to 60 instead of floating around 50 fps.
The Dear Leader
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I can't imagine someone not imagining Sony would do something like that.
theonerayman
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I've read the vast majority of this thread and am I to understand based on what Richard and Cerny said that Sony made a choice so if a game isn't patched then the ps4 pros extra hardware just does nothing? This seems like a really strange choice if so.
I was never expecting games to suddenly jump to 60 FPS if they were coded to run at 30, but I was initially expecting games that run at 30 to run at a more stable 30. I think that's what DF was implying could be the case, in spite of Cerny's explanation that they downclock and turn off a GPU.
I'm still thinking of buying this for the enhanced 1080p modes for games like FFXV - I won't be getting a 4K TV anytime soon, but those should still be visible without a 4K TV.
I'm still thinking of buying this for the enhanced 1080p modes for games like FFXV - I won't be getting a 4K TV anytime soon, but those should still be visible without a 4K TV.
Garrett Hawke
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it probably helps that the game had to run on last gen... but even on beefy PCs it has difficulty maintaining 60 in the hub areas (soviet place + geothermal valley) due to cpu bottlenecking, presumably because the engine was just not designed to have spaces that large.
Sony already includes a compatible HDMI 2.0 cable in every Pro box. That's already been confirmed and even I mentioned it in my post you quoted...
That was a general question for getting the best value HDMI 2.0 cable that fully supports 4K HDR at 60fps. Something you can replace all your other HDMI cables with once you have a 4K TV.
SuperLurker
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I had issues as well when I first got my TV earlier this year - in particular 4K60 4:4:4 and 1080P @ 120hz were problematic with some cables.
The latest Amazon basics cables seem to work fine though.
GhostOfSparta305
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Simple. They're able to do it because their design allows it.
Framerate is purely a developer choice. Has nothing to do with hardware.
Always-honest
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Digita Foundry's work must have quadrupled with all these Pro modes...
This is the first thing I noticed when I watched the video earlier. Well, I probably remember that first because it was early in the video lol. It'll be interesting to see tests conducted on how well SSDs will work in the newer system.
I enjoyed that too. Unboxing videos, loot crate opening videos just seem to me to be the least effort required to make, and I don't find them entertaining at all. Maybe I'm just frumpy because I like opening the box myself or something, lol...
Caayn
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Whoops, sorry. The cable you posted should do fine.
Any HDMI cable with this logo is fine
They might be afraid of lack of compatibility, but Sony are also known for dumb decisions that fail to realize the potentials of their products (Vita, PSN, PS4, etc.), so it wouldn't surprise me if they just were that dumb not to consider it.
Can't wait for my Pro.
I've only got a 1080p TV, but I didn't see the point of going for the slim. By the time I bought a 1tb HDD it would only be another $40 or so bucks more for the Pro, so thats what I went with since I don't already have a PS4.
Supersampling will be nice for the majority of pro supported games, and even better for the games that go all out with an enhanced 1080p mode like Tomb Raider.
I've only got a 1080p TV, but I didn't see the point of going for the slim. By the time I bought a 1tb HDD it would only be another $40 or so bucks more for the Pro, so thats what I went with since I don't already have a PS4.
Supersampling will be nice for the majority of pro supported games, and even better for the games that go all out with an enhanced 1080p mode like Tomb Raider.
ViolentP
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If this is your first entry into the PS4, you should absolutely go Pro if for nothing more than futureproofing yourself.
I thinks you going to be disappointed if you think a 30% increase in CPU is enough for a solid 60 fps on most current games.
We might be getting more unlocked framerate games but that's hardly ideal.
It's also pretty freakin empty and full of corridor compare to every other open world. Don't get me wrong it's a very cool tech achievement but you can clearly see the last gen roots of the game.
I wish AMD had a good and cheap cpu available but it's unfortunately not the case
It's not really strange; I think they just draw a pretty strict line. You either use 'regular PS4 mode' for your unpatched games, or the 'Pro' mode for a patched game. Cerny spoke about not wanting any undesirable side effects for existing games, so they pretty much 'emulate' a regular PS4 mode.
Think about it this way.
Regular PS4
Game engine uses memory register A.
PS4 Pro mode
Patched game engine users memory register A and A+
How would an unpatched game know how to use the extra A+ register?
Or what if the game is balanced for regular PS4 CPU speed, what would happen if the CPU-cycles suddenly gets processed much faster?
Sure, you could solve a lot of these problems with somethinkg like an API layer that solves some of those issues, but my guess is that Sony didnt want to invest in that. I think it does work on the Xbox One S because Microsoft use a few more virtualisation layers in their OS-stack.
MissCauthon
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So why put in Sata 3 in when it won't do squat why would they even do that?
You simply will continue to play ignorant for the rest of time it seems. I'm done wasting my time trying to get you to see reason.
If you can't see basic concepts like different games having different demands based on how they are developed, i have nothing else to argue
just ignore him
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Excellent video, shame about the comments about not expecting higher frame rate for more games, but then again .. a stronger more powerful PS4 at just $399 is all I need.
The only comment in this video was I guess a passing remark about the cable length being short, might be 4 to 6 ft.
The only comment in this video was I guess a passing remark about the cable length being short, might be 4 to 6 ft.
GhostOfSparta305
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Inuhanyou said:
You never did.
Especially since that was my point.
What a cute way to admit you were wrong.
Thanks for playing.
Wishmaster92
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Exactly. I can't wait for a proper analysis.
Confused Cheeseburger
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Curious, does any one have a visual example of SS vs 1080 p
I added an edit. They're not saying games will never choose to go for higher framerates. It's more just "in general," the Pro seems to be about better graphics as opposed to better framerates (and what we know about the CPU/GPU backs this up).
No. It's just double the GPU of the original PS4 and to make backward compatibility work, they accomplish this by turning off half of the compute units.
BradleyLove
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Jesus fuck.
The preeminent gaming forum and we still have folks who don't understand 60fps is a design choice and has nothing to do with hardware. Tedious beyond words.
The preeminent gaming forum and we still have folks who don't understand 60fps is a design choice and has nothing to do with hardware. Tedious beyond words.
RedAssedApe
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Richard with the Chad Warden shout out when describing the pro during the unboxing lol
PS4 Pro |OT| Sup bitches. Chad Warden here. I'm talking bout dat PS TRIPLE.
PS4 Pro |OT| Sup bitches. Chad Warden here. I'm talking bout dat PS TRIPLE.
Nice, they're so damn cheap too. I'm replacing the rest of my HDMI cables with those in that case.
theonerayman
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Are the ps4 and xb1 not based off of x86 architecture? I mean why build your system in such a way that your games wouldn't just use whatever resources were available. As stated the one s gets a tiny boost. I suppose it doesn't really matter it just confounds me. Still buying day one and still excited, just also confused as to why Sony does really strange things.
Confused Cheeseburger
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